Blasphemy!

[Sally, la reina]

No, no, no WAY RA. Please don't post any more lyrics like that. Please.


Otherwise I'll retitle this "lyrics thread" and stop checking in.

[RandomAnthony]

Iggy Pop, too, who Cobain cited as one of his favorites...

[Heather]

Weird Al has mocked many artists, including some of the bands you listed Jackie...

[Sally, la reina]

I like Iggy Pop.

[Sally, la reina]

Loathe Weird Al.

[Jackie "the Librarian"]

He's spoofed them, which is not the same as mocking them, Heather.

[RandomAnthony]

I could just as easily say, Heather, Cobain has better lyrics to you. But that doesn't mean Cobain was "first band of any generation to give a voice to teen malaise." To me, anyway, that's indefensible. As for that "female" part, I'm fairly sure your generation contained males, too. I'm fairly sure you can't speak for every teen through history.

Where's Gus? Gus, help me out here. Tadpole? I forgot about Black Flag.

Jealous cowards try to control
Rise above
Were gonna rise above
They distort what we say
Rise above
Were gonna rise above
Try and stop what we do
Rise above
When they cant do it themselves

We are tired of your abuse
Try to stop us its no use

Societys arms of control
Rise above
Were gonna rise above
Think theyre smart
Cant think for themselves
Rise above
Were gonna rise above
Laugh at us
Behind our backs
I find satisfaction
In what they lack

We are tired of your abuse
Try to stop us its no use

We are born with a chance
Rise above
Were gonna rise above
I am gonna have my chance
Rise above
Were gonna rise above

We are tired of your abuse
Try to stop us its no use

Rise above
Rise above
Rise above
Were gonna rise above
Were gonna rise above
Were gonna rise above

I better stop. I'm gonna go Jack Black in Hi Fidelity.

[Sally, la reina]

PS: I one said "I'd be loathe to..." and then trailed off with a client when I was a hairdresser.


The cliant literally sneered at me,
and then demanded her money back
after the cut
-
hating it.

Crazy bitch,
didn't know
what the word
I'd used meant,
took it out on me.

[Heather]

Randomanthony wrote: "Replacements-Bastards of Young

God, what a mess, on the ladder of success
Where you take one step and miss the whole first rung
Dreams unfulfilled, graduate unskilled
It beats pickin' cotton and w..."


Again, point me to a teenager that sits alone in his or her room thinking about how he or she doesn't give his or her elders proper respect. Not many. Teens worry about the suckage of their parents for not giving them the respect they feel they are due. They worry about being mocked, ridiculed, girls/boys, drugs, etc.

[Jackie "the Librarian"]

Sally, you loathe Weird Al? Even "White and Nerdy"?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-xEzGI...

[Sally, la reina]

Yes. *shudder*


But Sweeter adores him. I endured 1/2 a week with "Fat" after the passing of MJ. This of course was interspersed with nonstop "Thriller".

[Heather]

Jackie "the Librarian" wrote: "He's spoofed them, which is not the same as mocking them, Heather."

Thank you for pointing that out.

[RandomAnthony]

What does that have to do with The Replacements? I disagree strongly with the characterizations of teen as one discreet group, Heather.

Talkin' about the girls/boys thing, The Smiths were huge on the loneliness end for me in high school, as were Joy Division...

Hey, you can like Nirvana all you want. But there are a lot of great bands out there...

I'll stop! I promise!

[Heather]

Randomanthony wrote: "I could just as easily say, Heather, Cobain has better lyrics to you. But that doesn't mean Cobain was "first band of any generation to give a voice to teen malaise." To me, anyway, that's indefe..."

You're right, I can't speak for everyone of my generation, but Smells like teen spirit applies regardless of whether or not you are male or female, a song about being drafted does not. Which was the point I was trying to make.

[Sally, la reina]

Joy Division for one. The Pixies for two. Jane's Addiction three. The Clash four. Zeppelin five.

[Sally, la reina]

"And eight, eight, I forget what eight is for but nine, nine, nine cause you want me..."

[RandomAnthony]

What's this drafted thing you keep talkin' about?

[Sally, la reina]

The Iraq War?

[Heather]

Randomanthony wrote: "What does that have to do with The Replacements? I disagree strongly with the characterizations of teen as one discreet group, Heather.

Talkin' about the girls/boys thing, The Smiths were huge ..."

I'm not saying that there aren't great bands that came before RA. I'm saying that for my generation, Nirvana was the first band to strike that particular chord. For you and your generation, the Replacements might have epitomized teen angst, but it didn't for my generation. That title holder belongs to Nirvana. Times changes, the way a song resonates changes with it.

[Jackie "the Librarian"]

Randomanthony wrote: "What's this drafted thing you keep talkin' about?"

Wasn't in reference to a Ramones song?

[Lori]

Ahhhh, The Clash.

I love Heidi's list of poet/musicians.

OK carry on, because I'm completely out of the loop for bands like Nirvana, Jane's Addiction, etc. Never even heard of Joy Division. *sigh*

[Heather]

Randomanthony wrote: "What's this drafted thing you keep talkin' about?"

I was referring to Let's Go by the Ramones. Talkin about war, which many teens do not care about today. Sorry if I'm generalising, but I'm willing to bet money on this one.

[RandomAnthony]

I'm not saying that there aren't great bands that came before RA. I'm saying that for my generation, Nirvana was the first band to strike that particular chord.

I can agree with this, but I'd take out "first" and replace it with "most popular" or even "iconic".

See? We're makin' progress, Heather:)

[RandomAnthony]

Oh. She was talking about Blitzkrieg Bop, I think, but calling it "Let's Go".

[Heather]

First is staying RA, and for this reason. Nirvana was the first band of my generation to give voice to our thoughts and emotions. Were they the first band ever to be the voice of their generation, no, but they were the first in mine.

[RandomAnthony]

I disagree. There are other questions that emerge to qualify your assertion, as to bands that weren't as popular but preceded Nirvana (since you said "first"), when your generation started/ended, etc. But we will have to disagree:) I do appreciate you sticking to your guns, even if we disagree.

[Heidi]

OMG, I forgot about Stevie Nicks!!! She was a superb lyricists!

And I have Joan Jett on the brain now because she's so rock & roll to me. I can't wait for The Misfits movie. *sigh* :)

[Heather]

I'm a stubborn mule, so sticking to my guns is almost always garunteed.

With that said, this debate was fun.

At any rate, Kurt earned his place as the leader of a movement as do the Relacements. I would say that the Ramones are underrated, but they are partly to blame. There is no denying they have good lyrics, but the istrumentation doesn't do them justice, imo...

[Heather]

Randomanthony wrote: "I disagree. There are other questions that emerge to qualify your assertion, as to bands that weren't as popular but preceded Nirvana (since you said "first"), when your generation started/ended, ..."


Out of curiosity, what bands do you credit for the grunge movement RA?

[Sally, la reina]

Heather wrote: "Randomanthony wrote: "Talkin about war, which many teens do not care about today. Sorry if I'm generalising, but I'm willing to bet money on this one. "

Wowza. Talk about a loaded statement.

[Heather]

Another question, don't you think mass appeal is required to claim that your band led a movement? Even if there were bands that had similarities to Nirvana, Nirvana was the one that appealed to the masses.

[RandomAnthony]

Well, first of all, I wouldn't credit one band for the emergence of grunge, if that's what we're talkin' about. But running a quick "history of grunge" search brought up a couple interesting links:

http://www.mapsofworld.com/cities/usa...

Wikipedia has a surprisingly good grunge page, too. Pay special attention to the "history" part, and what Cobain says about the Pixies.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grunge_m...

[Heidi]

Surely Temple of the Dog and Mudhoney and The Melvins and Soundgarden would make that list along with Nirvana.

[Heather]

RA every musician/writer has inspiration, it doesn't mean that their contribution doesn't have merit. It doesn't mean that what they created isn't unique. So what if Kurt was inspired by the Pixies? I'm sure the Pixies were inspired by someone as well.

[Heather]

Sally wrote: "Heather wrote: "Randomanthony wrote: "Talkin about war, which many teens do not care about today. Sorry if I'm generalising, but I'm willing to bet money on this one. "

Wowza. Talk about a loaded..."

Yup, but I'm willing to own it.

[RandomAnthony]

Exactly...that's why I can't agree with the whole " gave voice to teen malaise" thing. I don't hate Nirvana. They have merit.

[Heather]

RA, the first article you posted credits Nirvana...

[Matt]

Heidi: What is this Misfits movie that you speak of??

[Sally, la reina]

Heather wrote: "RA every musician/writer has inspiration, it doesn't mean that their contribution doesn't have merit. It doesn't mean that what they created isn't unique. So what if Kurt was inspired by the Pixies..."

That's what's fascinating and crazy about pop music, Heather. Once it's widespread, or not, it influences a new generation or artist or songwriter, who then in turn influences the masses. It's a traceable line!

[Heather]

Randomanthony wrote: "Exactly...that's why I can't agree with the whole " gave voice to teen malaise" thing. I don't hate Nirvana. They have merit."

The Pixies didn't write his lyrics, RA.

[RandomAnthony]

Heather wrote: "RA, the first article you posted credits Nirvana..."

Did you, um, maybe not read the first sentence?

The first generation of grunge bands were Green River, Soundgarden, Pearl Jam, Mudhoney and Melvins.

Credits Nirvana for what exactly, Heather? You asked "what bands do you credit for the grunge movement?"

[Sally, la reina]

I ♥ the Pixies more than Nirvana.

Or rather:

Sally = Pixies♥ > Nirvana♥

[RandomAnthony]

Tad, where were you when I needed you? Did you not hear my call? I had to defend Black Flag all by myself. You owe me, brother:)

[Sally, la reina]

It's a balance situation.

[RandomAnthony]

Heather wrote: "Randomanthony wrote: "Exactly...that's why I can't agree with the whole " gave voice to teen malaise" thing. I don't hate Nirvana. They have merit."

The Pixies didn't write his lyrics, RA.

"

Uh...I don't know what that means. I don't think I said they did.

[Heidi]

SHIT! I meant The Runaways.


I KNOW better than that.

::slaps forehead::

[RandomAnthony]

tadpole wrote: "Heidi: What is this Misfits movie that you speak of??"

I think she's talking about the Runaways movie...

(but I would so want to see Joan Jett play Glen Danzig)

[Sally, la reina]

They didn't by far. Nobody's saying they did. They might have had a powerful influence on him before he even began writing lyrics, is all. They were probably who he listened to in the morning, brushing his teeth, before he went to 8th grade at Cascadia Jr High or whatever.

[Heidi]

Randomanthony wrote: "tadpole wrote: "Heidi: What is this Misfits movie that you speak of??" I think she's talking about the Runaways movie... (but I would so want to see Joan Jett play Glen Danzig)"

Gah. I'm such a loser. I think I'm gonna cry.

[Matt]

Sorry RA, you guys are faster than I am. I had the lyrics for Nervous Breakdown ready to paste and Sally registered her displeasure about the lyrics...