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message 1: by Nik (new)

Nik Krasno | 13815 comments Manus manum lavat - was known at least since Roman times. Connections and favor for the favor! Or more modern word - networking. Alumni clubs are treasured on par with education per se.
One says talent, another - connections. It's for a reason in some countries, most jobs are found through someone's recommendation. Knowing someone may be just as good as being a genius. Many don't want to take a risk with a stranger.
The importance of having a team to trust in pivotal places grows with the rank of the position. You care for the circle, circle cares for you. If you need something from somewhere, you better know someone there.
Connections are not alien for writing or scripting biz as well. Many application forms of lit agents, I've encountered, ask specifically whether you have a recommendation. Imagine Grisham recommends you? Not a small thing. Even someone junior is better than no one.
If no one recommended you, the chances you get response from somewhere decrease dramatically.
If you define luck as opportunity meeting preparation, then connections are definitely there for the opportunities -:)
How important are connections? What do you think?


Leviathan Libraries (leviathanlibraries) They're definitely important. I'm not a super sociable person, and I don't go out of my way to connect with authors, but the connections I have formed means I can easily go poke one of them (and we're not talking self-pubs) and ask them to write pieces for my site, beg personally for ARCS (and get them), etc.

If I hadn't formed those, I'd struggle a lot more than I do.


message 3: by M.L. (new)

M.L. Sure, connections are a great idea and important. A special interest forum like good reads gives readers and writers their own place to meet and discuss all things pertaining to reading and writing. You learn about new books of course, and can go deeper into genre discussions if you join one or more of the reading groups.


message 4: by Steven (new)

Steven Moore Nik,
In Latin America, they say "la palanca," meaning leverage. That might seem to be a wee bit derogatory, but I prefer to think of it as "Give me a lever and I can move the world."
I'll have to confess that on LinkedIn, the epitome of online connection sites, I acquired (and have) so many connections that I was (and am) overwhelmed. I participated in a lot of the various discussion groups on the writing business and the number of links just grew and grew. But other than discussions, I didn't see a lot of use for them (I hasten to apologize to all those connections who thought I was a great guy to link up with).
I know others build them and use them to mutual benefit, but I should warn each author: other authors aren't necessarily interested in buying your book; they're more interested in selling theirs. That said, I value all the friends I have made online and prefer not to think of them as "connections." Are my beta-readers connections? My formatter or cover artist? Readers and reviewers? I suppose it's nothing but semantics, but I value them all more than mere "connections."
r/Steve


message 5: by M.L. (new)

M.L. Oh, the OP meant opportunistically? :-) No, I joined GR several years back as a reader only, just added the author page sometime last year. I like connecting & discussing books with other readers. In person book groups would be undoable on such a large scale. But here on GR I find out about tons of books specific to the genre I read and would not know of them otherwise. The reader groups are the best places to learn about new books. I've discovered so many!


message 6: by Justin (new)

Justin (justinbienvenue) In the book industry connections aren't everything but they are a top priority and necessity. Whether you're social or not is irrelevant because the only way to reach your audience or get help with your writing and publishing is to reach out and establish a connection. I've never been the best at making friends or being social but at the same time I know that it has nothing to do with making connections because I know because I write I need to better myself by establishing connections with people so my name can get out there and I'm helping myself out.


message 7: by Steven (new)

Steven Moore M.L.,
I joined GR, I believe, even before they had an author's page! By "going where the readers are," I meant just that, because I'm an avid reader first, author second. I abide by the rules and restrict my self-promo efforts to the correct threads. If I mention my books in other threads, it's because they're good examples of a point I'm making--I obviously know my own opus better than anyone else's. ;-)
I was also making the point that sites where the majority of people are authors or potential authors aren't good places to let readers know about your books. They ARE good places to learn something about the writing business, of course, which we all need or needed as newbie authors--guess I'd say I'm in the awkward-teen stage in this business. :-)
Of course, friends are connections too, and online friends often start as readers, reviewers, and authors who have something in common with me. As an introverted SOB, online works for me. I've only met one person on my publishing "team" face to face, for example, but they're all dear friends. GR and similar sites (there aren't that many) keep me from being a recluse like that Jack Nicholson character in As Good as It Gets--I don't write romance or erotica, though, although a few novels can get a wee bit steamy at times (nothing you can't see on cable TV).
r/Steve


message 8: by Ian (new)

Ian Miller | 9788 comments Generally speaking, connections are important, but they have to be the right sort of connections. Unfortunately for my writing, most of my connections are elsewhere :-(


message 9: by J.D. (new)

J.D. Cunegan (jdcunegan) | 62 comments I think this is what made being at Hampton Comicon yesterday (my first con ever) such a success. It wasn't just the number of books I sold; it was the creators I connected with. The writers and the artists who were either in the same boat as me or just getting started. I met someone looking for books to option for movie scripts; I met someone else who was looking for material for TV shows. I met several people who were thinking of self-publishing and wanted to pick my ear. For all the books I sold, I gave away even more business cards -- which included my website, my email address, and my social media platforms. Selling product is important and feels good, but connecting with both fellow creators and a potential audience is just as vital.


message 10: by Steven (new)

Steven Moore J.D.,
Yep, I love those events--maybe not as big as a Comicon--because they give some face time with people who are generally just as introverted as I am! Can't say I meet any people who are looking for script material (even though many of my stories would probably make great movies or "streaming videos," which are serialized movies, basically).
I'll be participating in a pre-holiday one soon.
These events are the best reason to have print versions, by the way. Wish I could afford more of them (print books, that is).
I hand out biz cards all over the place. They're cheap and if one in a hundred causes the recipient to visit my website, that's one in a hundred I wouldn't have reached.
r/Steve


message 11: by J.D. (new)

J.D. Cunegan (jdcunegan) | 62 comments Steven wrote: "J.D.,
Yep, I love those events--maybe not as big as a Comicon--because they give some face time with people who are generally just as introverted as I am! Can't say I meet any people who are lookin..."


I think that facetime is huge. It's one thing to post a link to one of my books on Twitter, where someone can click it, see the cover, and read the synopsis and even a short preview... but to have a conversation with someone about the book, to answer their questions, to see what interests them and if my book is similar to anything else they like... that leads to not just purchases, but enthusiastic ones.


message 12: by Steven (new)

Steven Moore J.D.,
Hasn't worked for me--as far as selling books, that is--but go for it!
I had a 92-year-old neighbor who was more enthusiastic, but she moved to NC just in time for Matthew. (Before someone asks, she's OK.)
People's perceptions are interesting, though. When they ask, "How can you write a novel?" My usual answer? "Be willing to have some fun for an extended period of time."
Of course, I sometimes get a mom or dad who says their Susie or Jimmy got five stars for an essay. I could say, "Bet I have more fun than Susie or Jimmy," but I usually don't. ;-)
r/Steve


message 13: by Nik (new)

Nik Krasno | 13815 comments Steven wrote: "I could say, "Bet I have more fun than Susie or Jimmy," but I usually don't. ;-)..."

Still enough fun for writing that many books! -:)


message 14: by Nik (new)

Nik Krasno | 13815 comments Do you, guys, think you need connections?


message 15: by Iridescent (new)

Iridescent (im_depressed) | 36 comments I don't have many close friends, but I certainly have many connections. If I need something or a friend needs something, I can easily go 'oh, I know someone...'

So yes, I suppose connections are important. Where I live, having may connections can add to your ethos, which in turn can increase your connections with others.


message 16: by Ian (new)

Ian Miller | 9788 comments I don't need them. I know that because I haven't got any, and I am still alive. On the other hand, book sales are, shall we say, anaemic, so connections there would most certainly help. So useful, yes, need, no.


message 17: by Zach (new)

Zach Abrams | 13 comments Need is a subjective term.

Ian says - 'useful, yes, need, no'. This is preceded by 'I don't need them. I know that because I haven't got any, and I am still alive. On the other hand, book sales are, shall we say, anaemic, so connections there would most certainly help'

So need has to be explained. If it’s not a matter of life and death then the need has to be qualified as required to achieve an objective. If the question was ‘do you need connections to achieve high book sales then Ian’s answer may have been yes.

In short, connections may not be a pre-requisite for day-to day living but they can make a difference to contentment and success and even to survival where the connection is able to give you the required advice or access to facilities when they are time critical


message 18: by Nik (new)

Nik Krasno | 13815 comments Reagan is claimed responsible for Tom Clancy's rise: https://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/was...
And I know at least another one previously unknown thriller author, becoming a superstar after appearing on tv show, all his books becoming bestsellers retrospectively -:)


message 19: by Ian (new)

Ian Miller | 9788 comments As soon as Reagan claimed anything for Tom Clancy, Clancy was made. You can't get better publicity than POTUS recommending the book. (Well, maybe someone labelling your book "Mommy porn" might be better.)


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