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[KT, Desperate Diplomat]

They're half teachers and half protectors.
When their parents are off during the day, is the epsilon that teach the kids how to read and write and how to control their shifts. And it's the epsilon and defend them from any threat. I'd bet they're more ferocious than most, since no parent would entrust their children to someone who can't fight to defend them.

[The Outsider (Whales or Whatever), Ms. Enforcer mod]

I probably could have worded it better yea.

[Ilsa, The soopa butt kicka]

OKAY.

So, what if, WHAT IF.
The Epsilon wasn't exactly a daycare where parents dump their kids because they can't take them to work.
What if it's a school instead, and each wolf must contribute 1-2 hours every week at the school, educating the kids on what hunters do, what Sentinels do, what an Alpha or a Beta is, etc. So that each kid can appropriately choose a role they want to pursue.

And even so, 100% of the characters right now were raised outside of the idea of Epsilon, daycare or teacher-wise. They were raised by their families. There's pretty much no need for Epsilon in the context of the RP. It hasn't been needed, isn't needed, and is a total pain in the butt.

[Ilsa, The soopa butt kicka]

Your whole defense of it not being sexist and what really set me off is that most of the Epsilon were female because they had magical breasts of nourishment, so. Yeah. Instant hate.

[The Outsider (Whales or Whatever), Ms. Enforcer mod]

a lot of my characters weren't raised by their families at all???

And a lot of other characters family died as well

and that's kind of what I've been getting at this entire time
they are teachers

[The Outsider (Whales or Whatever), Ms. Enforcer mod]

Ilsa wrote: "Your whole defense of it not being sexist and what really set me off is that most of the Epsilon were female because they had magical breasts of nourishment, so. Yeah. Instant hate."

but that's not really what i said at all
i said that the reason why females were mostly caretakers in actual wolf packs is because they provide milk for the pups
the pups need to eat often
it's common sense that they'd be around them the most???
i didnt even say that was why epsilon was mostly female either.
that was just an example i used from an actual wolf pack, and im pretty sure i clarified that too
but yea i get that

[Ilsa, The soopa butt kicka]

Okay, mothers produce milk. Not just any wolf.

[The Outsider (Whales or Whatever), Ms. Enforcer mod]

and it's the mothers who looked out for the wolves
and also, the other mothers can breast feed the wolves that belong to another mother
they dont have different species of milk
it happens a lot too, when a wolf becomes orphaned and is sort of adopted by another mother within the pack

[Ilsa, The soopa butt kicka]

And these kids probably are 3-10, I'm thinking, so none of them would be nursing. Baby-babies would need to stay with their mothers. I mean, you said the reason that females would be the majority is because they can produce milk. And yeah. That set me off. That they're Epsilon just because they have boobs.

[Ilsa, The soopa butt kicka]

So Epsilon all have to be constantly mother wolves chosen by their bloodline? Again, it didn't make sense.

[The Outsider (Whales or Whatever), Ms. Enforcer mod]

but that's not...


no

you still don't get it

I wasn't saying that OUR epsilon would produce milk for anyone

i said that the mothers in an ACTUAL wolf pack would

that has nothing to do with my actual argument
I wasn't using that to fight anything
that was just speculation to myself, like inner monologuing or shitposting.

The epsilon do not breastfeed because they probably wouldn't even be parents

we already established that females dont have to be the majority a while back

[KT, Desperate Diplomat]

Women can be warriors and men can be stay at home. But it's more common for women to stay at home. Even if it could be because of societal norms, it's still true. Besides, Epsilons are badass. You really think anyone would put them in charge of taking care of the children if they didn't think they could defend them? And they have to be smart to teach them and patient.

[Ilsa, The soopa butt kicka]

But seriously, why does it have to be a certain role of the pack? I mean, it could just as well be a job, not a necessity of the pack. We've never even had a need of this in the pack. Only 1-4 kid characters were ever really made in the older group. Even then, they were seldom, if ever, RPed, and half of them were slaves, meaning they wouldn't even be under the protection of the Epsilon.

[The Outsider (Whales or Whatever), Ms. Enforcer mod]

you know what i give up

do what you want to do

[KT, Desperate Diplomat]

Alright side note: I NEED y'all to tell me when a character is approved otherwise I can't update anything

[The Outsider (Whales or Whatever), Ms. Enforcer mod]

I'll get on it, I haven't on for the past few days

[Ilsa, The soopa butt kicka]

Okay, I'll tell you then. I didn't realize you needed that info!

[The Outsider (Whales or Whatever), Ms. Enforcer mod]

Can we make a folder specific to rooms ?
Like I want to make Cain's room. So the alpha's mansion thread would be anywhere but the alpha's rooms
while the rooms could be individual threads

[KT, Desperate Diplomat]

I think too many threads might get confusing. Like there's a thread for the alpha building and the alpha and whoever is RPing with them will be able to be the only ones there and can just say when they're switching to a different room.

[The Outsider (Whales or Whatever), Ms. Enforcer mod]

Alrighty


just wondering, why is it that there are buildings specific to the different ranks? I mean, why isn't there just one big building specific to the pack, with rooms specific to each pack member?
And then the rest of the threads could just be locations within the territory
I don't know, it was just very confusing for me to really understand, and it kinda seems like it divides the pack.

[KT, Desperate Diplomat]

Mostly so that if there are more people, than RPing doesn't get too confusing if a lot of people want to RP at their respective housing location.


Should we put it to a poll to ask the others if they want it all in one? Maybe a couple separate ones tho, like sentinels and hunters together, alphas, betas, and scouts, etc

[The Outsider (Whales or Whatever), Ms. Enforcer mod]

I think we should, I've gotten a few complaints about it. Well I've been asked about it at least.
Maybe separate floors to the mansion? Like the lowest floors could be hunters, the second floor sentinels, the third the scouts and healers, the fourth the betas, and the fifth the alphas?
That way it could be like a social pyramid almost?

[Ilsa, The soopa butt kicka]

All in one? That's way too crowded! It cuts down the locations we have, the opportunities. Just one big mansion, with houses for specific people? I don't really think it's a good idea. It slices the divide, how hunters might dislike Sentinels or vice versa, because now they live in one great building. Each of the buildings already is like a hotel in itself for the people.

[The Outsider (Whales or Whatever), Ms. Enforcer mod]

The way we have it now is confusing and overwhelming. I'm not saying that it's a bad idea but I am saying that it generally scares people away.

And isn't a pack supposed to live with one another? That's kind of the point of being a pack. It just seems like it would be harder to communicate between the pack if everyone is in separate houses. And why would there be houses specific to only two people in the pack?
I don't think it'd be crowded at all, it'd be like dorms in a college. If anything we could split it into three houses
one for hunters and sentinels
one for scouts and healers
another for betas and alphas
but having one house for each specific rank seems redundant

[Ilsa, The soopa butt kicka]

The problem is that there aren't enough threads. People want to use the same location. Mashing up the locations doesn't solve the problem. You'd still be adding 'room' threads, so why not just add room threads without changing the layout of the group completely? Members hate it when the group completely changes and they lose the sense of security they gained while roleplaying.

I propose we just put up a thread called: Individual Rooms.
Have an important topic instructing the format, like: SENTINELS -____'s room (optional: & Bathroom & Closet)
People may create their own topics for their rooms within their rank's housing.

[The Outsider (Whales or Whatever), Ms. Enforcer mod]

Yea I like that idea. Maybe we could keep the threads for the houses up now, and those threads could be the common area, guest bathrooms, kitchens and whatever

[Ilsa, The soopa butt kicka]

~The Mage of Heart~ (Aka. Cry) wrote: "The way we have it now is confusing and overwhelming. I'm not saying that it's a bad idea but I am saying that it generally scares people away.

And isn't a pack supposed to live with one another?..."

Even now, people live in houses with only two people. Just because a house 'could' house more doesn't mean it should. They're not strictly militarian. The packs are more like their own little towns. They've settled down. Their homes are more than just sleeping areas. They're homes.

And I don't think the houses would be as commercially built as college dorm, which is why there's so many of them. It's not like they have island contractors. They get supplies from the mainland, but most everything they do here they do themselves.

[The Outsider (Whales or Whatever), Ms. Enforcer mod]

Would the houses be close together? My main concern is that they're so separated that strategically it makes no sense. Like if a pack decided to attack, the word of them attacking wouldn't get around as fast if they're all in different areas. Though if the houses are closely built together anyways it would make a bit more sense

[Ilsa, The soopa butt kicka]

Of course the houses are really close together. :) The pack housing are huddled close together, but the homes are individual units. I don't think it's confusing at all, and we'd definitely confuse our members if we tried now to mash together RP threads. One or the other would lose whatever RP had taken place on it.

[KT, Desperate Diplomat]

We could just have some small changes. Like hunters and sentinels together, betas and scouts.
Epsilon and pups, maybe elders with them too?

[Ilsa, The soopa butt kicka]

Mashing the topics would lose someone's RP progress. You'd need to edit one and delete the other. It's inefficient. You could edit in the new ranks to combine, but editing the existing ones is going to be a pain.

Also, are we doing Epsilon? They're really impractical.

[The Outsider (Whales or Whatever), Ms. Enforcer mod]

Yea, maybe the epsilon could be in charge of the elders as well
we should probably do that KT

[Ilsa, The soopa butt kicka]

I mean, I get that you probably have a cool character idea you want to do with them, but still.

[The Outsider (Whales or Whatever), Ms. Enforcer mod]

No one's roleplaying on either of the Scouts threads

it'd kinda be easy to do actually

[The Outsider (Whales or Whatever), Ms. Enforcer mod]

and it really isn't just that either. they're added and that's it i suppose

[Ilsa, The soopa butt kicka]

Old folks home and daycare... uhhhhhh.

[Ilsa, The soopa butt kicka]

I mean, both sentinels have been used and already one of the hunters. Combining sentinels and hunters in this instance would require for someone to lose all their RP.

[The Outsider (Whales or Whatever), Ms. Enforcer mod]

slams head into the wall
they are neither of those really

[The Outsider (Whales or Whatever), Ms. Enforcer mod]

why don't we just do a folder of individual rooms if it's causing this much trouble

[The Outsider (Whales or Whatever), Ms. Enforcer mod]

Ilsa wrote: "I mean, both sentinels have been used and already one of the hunters. Combining sentinels and hunters in this instance would require for someone to lose all their RP."

they wouldn't be losing anything they'd just move over into a different topic which isn't hard to do at all

[Ilsa, The soopa butt kicka]

Let's say Hunters moved to Sentinels.
They'd move.
The Sentinels would be edited to "Hunters and Sentinels".
Hunters would be deleted, along with all their writing.
All their past RP would be deleted, as the secondary thread that's considered unnecessary.

[Ilsa, The soopa butt kicka]

And the implementation is really unnecessary, would confuse people, and I haven't seen anyone complain that they don't know the difference between Sentinels or Betas, thread-wise.

[Ilsa, The soopa butt kicka]

~The Mage of Heart~ (Aka. Cry) wrote: "why don't we just do a folder of individual rooms if it's causing this much trouble"

That's what I proposed as an alternative in the first place.

[The Outsider (Whales or Whatever), Ms. Enforcer mod]

That's what I was agreeing to
That's what I proposed a lot earlier >>>
~The Mage of Heart~ (Aka. Cry) wrote: "Can we make a folder specific to rooms ?
Like I want to make Cain's room. So the alpha's mansion thread would be anywhere but the alpha's rooms
while the rooms could be individual threads"

And there's a complaint about it right in the complaints thread
I was talking to that same person about it, and she said it was all really overwhelming and it made no sense

And it wouldn't be hard to mesh those two threads considering that there's hardly been any roleplaying in either of the hunter threads
we'd just make the one with the most posts the one that gets the name change
there's hardly anyone actually roleplaying and we could easily explain the change through message

[The Outsider (Whales or Whatever), Ms. Enforcer mod]

that's the glory of a new group
we can change things without too much confusion

[The Outsider (Whales or Whatever), Ms. Enforcer mod]

(speaking of her, she's the reason i brought this up to begin with, considering there was so much confusion there to begin with. It's just not the usual set up a lot of people are used to but i can see why you'd want to set it up that way)

[Ilsa, The soopa butt kicka]

That disregards the feelings and convenience of certain RPers. Oh, you haven't been at it as long, so we're going to zap all your progress and make you start over.

No. Just... no. That's wrong on so many levels. Just to convenience one person who can just as easily figure out the group?

[The Outsider (Whales or Whatever), Ms. Enforcer mod]

well i mean not really? there are seven posts in the hunters thread right now, of which could be easily transferred on to another thread

it's simple actually

it's for the betterment of the whole group, rather than just the convenience of one person. im just trying to shorten the amount of threads on one folder considering that it's all overwhelming
Azalea even agreed with me on this too
but it doesnt matter

[The Outsider (Whales or Whatever), Ms. Enforcer mod]

why not make a poll rather than settle this here?
the whole group can decide

[Ilsa, The soopa butt kicka]

Also, can I get a link to that conversation about it being confusing? Seer of Breath doesn't have anything of it in her comments. Maybe you meant someone else?

Azalea? Seer asked about the group setting. Azalea has already adapted.