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message 1: by Selena (new)

Selena (sailorstar165) | 2026 comments Mod
I was reading through an old issue of Otaku Usa and found an interesting article:

What do you guys think? How can we "otaku" get more recognition in the "Geek" community? Do we even want to be "mainstream"?

I'd love to hear your thoughts on this. :)

message 2: by Terrence (last edited Aug 27, 2016 07:30PM) (new)

Terrence (grnkrby) | 82 comments I haven't read the article yet, but I don't think Otaku need to become mainstream stateside to continue to receive anime / manga, we just need to support the niche. If that means getting merch, DVDs, manga, light novels, renting the works from your library, posting fun fan clips on YouTube, or supporting legal streaming sites, then that's what it'll take. Crunchyroll is just getting bigger and bigger despite me not seeing more fans talking about manga / anime on the street (I will say, I see more people going to the manga section of the bookstores these days after Attack on Titan and other "mainstream" anime).

Unfortunately with anime and manga, a lot of its continued existence is out of our hands. If the show does terrible in DVD sales in Japan, it often isn't getting a sequel. The production costs are sky high.

Video Game / Visual Novel industry seems to be experiencing a resurgence thanks to Kickstarter. Stuff like Muv Luv, Clannad, and Root Double gets funded by the few backers with insane wallets. STEAM as a client makes it pretty easy for these smaller Japanese pubs too now that they don't need a Nintendo Seal of Quality and other related expenses to post up a game.

I will say, I wish I didn't care about what others thought of anime as a hobby. I think people have annoying preconceptions about all anime (though it doesn't help when your mature anime recommendation for the mainstream, Parasyte, has an annoying scene in the opening minutes of episode 1) and they have a tough time understanding why anyone would watch something in another language. And I know these same people would love Berserk and Attack on Titan like they love Game of Thrones if they were live action TV series on HBO. Simpsons fans would like Nichijou jokes I think. But how would you get them to watch and pay any attention?

Edit: Reading It.

"But when it comes to talking about the latest developments in anime and manga, few are even aware of what’s aired on Adult Swim recently" - I know only Hunter x Hunter because a Miiverse artist I know posts a Toonami sketch every week.

The following is awful though...

"When the New York Times started to track bestsellers for graphic books in the late 2000s, by request of the American publishers “manga” was given its own separate category … because otherwise manga would dominate the Top 10. Presto! An “official” reason to declare that manga doesn’t count in “comics” media coverage. Media coverage is important, and anime/manga doesn’t really get any outside of places that have “anime” or “otaku” right in their name."

message 3: by Selena (new)

Selena (sailorstar165) | 2026 comments Mod
I think the point the article was trying to make wasn't about anime becoming "mainstream" (i.e. everyone in the universe knows about it) but more about making it "mainstream" in Geek culture. Unlike most sci-fi fans having heard of Doctor Who (but many random people on the street wouldn't be familiar with it at all), if you ask the average sci-fi fan about anime they'll either not know what you're talking about or meet you with open derision (I know I've wanted to do a panel on Sci Fi series for the uninitiated and get met with comments of "sci-fi cons aren't for anime").

Plus, most people don't hear about anime unless they know someone in the know, making the spread of the fandom a lot slower than, say, Doctor Who's, which Geek culture references all the time and people hear about whether they know any actual fans or not.

message 4: by Weeably (new)

Weeably Personally I prefer it the way it is. I wouldn't mind having a few more friends that know about it, but I also like how it isn't a trend or a fad.

message 5: by Terrence (new)

Terrence (grnkrby) | 82 comments Most people I know have never even seen a Manga. When they see it is read right to left, they're taken aback. xD

I will say, I see a lot of forumers elsewhere who are insensitive in discussions, especially when it concerns anime stuff. Slurs get thrown around like a word that starts with Wee and ends with Boo if you say you play games with Japanese voice dialogue or otherwise participating with Japanese media in a niche fashion. I just try my best to put those people on ignore. Isn't Otaku also a bad thing to be called in Japan too?

I think it comes down to insecurity and lack of time for the way Anime culture is ignored (whether by fellow Geeks, the media, the press, etc). What people don't have time to devote to or something they feel will make them look bad to others in their hobby / others that follow them, they create excuses for it being beneath them. But I'm no psych.

Also, since anime isn't mainstream, it makes it tough to talk about in the media, especially in a comedic or light hearted fashion, so it's kind of a Catch22 or something where the media can't even approach the subject even if they want to (so instead, look at the ridiculous cosplay outfits outside the gates of the anime convention because everyone understands how people in costume can look ridiculous). Television airings aren't that great either (Toonami is always getting pushed later and later and the handful of anime programs on mainstream stations are aimed at younger audiences, like Pokemon and Yo-Kai Watch). I don't know how promotion is for anime / manga outside of anime streams (I do know voice acting gets more promotion in Japan, while stateside our video game VA frequently gets almost no promotion). I did see Barnes and Noble had promotion for anime this Summer sandwiched between Pokemon and I think Doctor Who events, so there was a win.

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