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message 1: by Tim (last edited Jul 24, 2016 12:28PM) (new)

Tim Rees | 732 comments Where do we get our inspiration from? For me it is usually something I identify in society that angers me, i.e., for Delphian it is vivisection. I hate the hypocrisy of vivisection and felt compelled to write a novel that stated my disgust. Although I do accept the argument that if I had a daughter and she was sick with something I would demand we do everything to cure her, which is why the novel begins with someone's daughter being used as a vivisection subject...

Where do you get your inspiration from?


message 2: by Annie (new)

Annie Arcane (anniearcane) @Mr Tim: Umm. I write romance and smut. This thread is too deep for me ^_~


message 3: by Nik (new)

Nik Krasno | 15714 comments Strong emotions is a good inspiration, indeed.
My own - was the feeling of uniqueness of the events unfolding in front of my eyes that I felt deserved a story, which dawned on me at some point... The feeling of living in a thriller was already there, I just needed to decide which one


message 4: by Tim (last edited Jul 24, 2016 01:08PM) (new)

Tim Rees | 732 comments @Annie: Wow! I bet your smut is great stuff!! I look forward too reading it. And if sex is your inspiration, then all I can say is Wow! what a lucky girl. Sex never ceases to inspire me, but generally as a sub-plot... :D But it is the characters that make the sex happen. All I can do is stand aside and say, Okay, I'll try and keep with you... :D

@Nik, it is strong emotion that makes great drama and you guys have so much drama. As a UK citizen, I am puzzled by the level of aggression displayed in many eastern European countries and I can only ask is this more to do with religion or patronism?


message 5: by Annie (new)

Annie Arcane (anniearcane) @Mr Tim: Oooooh, good point! I'm a ginormous suck for characters that evoke strong emotions. Make me laugh. Cry. Love. Hate. I don't even care what you make me feel, as long as the feeling consumes me...yes, oh, yessss....

Heh, I swear I didn't just have a moment there *smirks* Okay, gentlemen, back to your intellectual convo now ^_~

Hugs from a shameless author of romance,
Ann


message 6: by Tim (new)

Tim Rees | 732 comments @Annie... :D All I can say is I gotta read your books and the sooner the better!! :D If the character consumes the reader - your words - We have a bestseller!! :D


message 7: by Annie (new)

Annie Arcane (anniearcane) @Mr Tim: Well...I only have one book at the moment and...umm...

Romantic? Yes. Smutty? Heh, nope. Emotion-evoking? I sure freakin' hope so!! Or else I quit!!! QUIT!!!! (Okay, I'd never quit. That's just being a pansy ^_~)

Hugs from a freshly cherry-popped author of romance haha,
Ann

P.S. - Just so you know, I'm attempting to write book two here...and getting very distracted... *giggles*


message 8: by Tim (new)

Tim Rees | 732 comments Hehe... In WTF I let the characters go at it and now, my friends can't read the book because they are too ashamed to admit they read this stuff... Haha... How screwed up is that?

Lovin' it!! :D


message 9: by Nik (new)

Nik Krasno | 15714 comments Aggression? Multiple reasons and it diminishes, but not at the pace in the West.
First, I think generalization won't be fair to lots of nice and non-aggressive dudes there. Also, Eastern Europeans may have some similarities, but they have different mentality - even within one country.
As of lots of aggressive it's a complex explanation and I try to describe the roots in the series.
To name a few:
Historical - for many years the society was built on obedience and fear. As a counter-measure people developed anti: establishment, authorities, police. Street rules and culture, where the strongest dominate, often substituted laws. When everything melted down in early nineties, guns and gangs ruled. I remember that to bring even a second hand Volvo from Germany one needed to hire an escort car full of cops with machine guns, otherwise it had zero chance to get from the border to the capital, moving on the major highway. The situ has improved considerably since then but some of the aggression remained.
Savageness in a way - there was/is no respect to individual as a human being. Beat them, extort, steal, manipulate, only a few cared.
What spurred respect - was power. Not soft power, real power. Many licked the balls of superiors and were really nasty to subordinates, thus expressing the power. I think it's not random that sometimes it looks like Putin treats some peers as w..kers -:)
There are more reasons, but it's kinda becoming late...


message 10: by Graeme (new)

Graeme Rodaughan My writing is inspired by several things.

[1] My perception that the MSM presents a sanitised, illusory view of the world, and behind that curtain various powerful entities and groups war. This drives the secrets, schemes, conspiracies, and shifting alliances of many of the main villians.

[2] My own desire not to be manipulated. This drives the central relationship b/w the Hero and the Nemesis where the Nemesis is attempting to manipulate the Hero into doing something that meets the Nemesis' agenda, and the Hero has to become aware of the manipulation and avoid it.

[3] Loyalty, Revenge, Love, Ambition, Deception - both tactical ands strategic, Loss, Grief, Rage, Hubris, Duty & Courage all feature strongly in my writing.

[4] My writing falls within the Modern Epic genre (Individual vs a Corrupt Authority, e.g. Star Wars, The Matrix, The Hunger Games, The Divergent Series) and the main plot is a Maturation Plot.

[5] My love of suspense, action & thrills drives a lot of the content which reflects that love.


message 11: by Alex (last edited Jul 24, 2016 10:20PM) (new)

Alex (asato) Nik wrote: "The situ has improved considerably since then but some of the aggression remained.
Savageness in a way - there was/is no respect to individual as a human being. Beat them, extort, steal, manipulate, only a few cared.
What spurred respect - was power. Not soft power, real power. Many licked the balls of superiors and were really nasty to subordinates, thus expressing the power. I think it's not random that sometimes it looks like Putin treats some peers as w..kers -:)
"


in that kind of situation, it is easy for men to become like that--the real alpha male--because machismo is ingrained into all of our world cultures.

Nik wrote: "My own - was the feeling of uniqueness of the events unfolding in front of my eyes that I felt deserved a story, which dawned on me at some point... The feeling of living in a thriller was already there, I just needed to decide which one...

i'm ashamed to say it, but i am not so deep--even shallower than smut (although one man's meat is another's poison). i'm inspired by anime. i'm currently writing about girls with guns (well, truth be told, they actually swing around swords more than pop off their guns).

but i will reluctantly admit to throwing in a little bit of near-future sci-fi speculation and power politics (such as between china and the us), but i try to keep it in the background lest my readers be tricked into thinking that it's more than mindless entertainment and then DNF it midway through.

as far as sex and love goes, it seems that my female MCs are a little too busy making the world right. although in the current short that i'm working on, cowgirl-riding does make a cameo appearance; but i might have to take it out because it might make the story a little less shallow than my other works.

EDITED: for questionable humor.


message 12: by Nik (new)

Nik Krasno | 15714 comments Graeme wrote: "My writing is inspired by several things.

[1] My perception that the MSM presents a sanitised, illusory view of the world, and behind that curtain various powerful entities and groups war. This dr..."


Hi Graeme and welcome!
Looks like we share at least a few common perceptions and explore similar directions in our writing.
Not sure, I'd be able to structure my motivation as neatly as you did though -:)
Hope you'll contribute and enjoy!


message 13: by Nik (new)

Nik Krasno | 15714 comments Alex G wrote: "i'm ashamed to say it, but i am not so deep--even shallower than sex and love. i'm inspired by anime...."

Nothing to be ashamed of. There is a Russian saying that 'natural -can not be ugly', which I believe is true and I wouldn't necessarily put philosophy or some esoteric studies above anything, but on the same level.
Write what you like, even if it's for sheer entertainment and I hope your writing will get response from a wide readership...
For me writing should be meaningful, otherwise I'm not motivated enough to do it -:)


message 14: by Mehreen (new)

Mehreen Ahmed (mehreen2) | 1907 comments 'Meaningful' yes, you have said it Nik. However, meaning varies from person to person, does it not?


message 15: by Nik (new)

Nik Krasno | 15714 comments Sure, it does


message 16: by Annie (new)

Annie Arcane (anniearcane) Mehreen wrote: "'Meaningful' yes, you have said it Nik. However, meaning varies from person to person, does it not?"

*nods agreeably**finds meaning in a good piece of cheesecake**smirks*


message 17: by Graeme (new)

Graeme Rodaughan Hi Nik, wrt perspectives - I suspect we do share a few.


message 18: by Graeme (new)

Graeme Rodaughan WRT Meaning.

Absolutely: I'm looking to have the reader's mind blown by the experience of reading what I'm writing.

I seek to create a strong meaningful resonance in the reader.

To create a meaningful resonance, we need to fully engage the reader in an emotionally rich, immersive experience.

To do that, I practice the following.

[1] Start with a thumping good narrative that will grip the reader and drag them along.

[2] Provide multi-dimensional, nuanced characters, with both good and evil characteristics - ensure relatability and care factor by the reader.

[3] Provide characters with deeply personal motivations in conflict over very high stakes.

[4] Deal with big themes with big meaning such as love, duty, sacrifice and loss.

[5] Wind it tighter and tighter to the climax and save the best for last.


message 19: by Annie (new)

Annie Arcane (anniearcane) @Mr Graeme: Wow! I just brain vomit onto paper (no joke haha) I'm very impressed with the degree of critical thinking you exhibit in regards to writing, good sir!!

Humbly,
Ann


message 20: by Nik (new)

Nik Krasno | 15714 comments All sound perfect, no doubt, but the delivery/execution may vary.
Manage to deliver on all the above and in an engaging style and you are the king -:)
I do believe that on top of the principles there should be something more elusive - like magic of the written word.
Take Benioff's - City of Thieves, for example. The plot is simply ludicrous: a KGB chief in starving and blockaded by Nazis Leningrad sends two youngsters behind the enemy lines to bring him fresh eggs for the cake for the wedding party of his daughter. Or something like that. Yet, I was totally enchanted by the book, which didn't even contain that extreme action..


message 21: by Mehreen (new)

Mehreen Ahmed (mehreen2) | 1907 comments We can't invent new emotions. All emotions have been taken, dealt with and consumed. Same themes of violence, love, emptiness reinventing itself in various ways.


message 22: by Tim (new)

Tim Rees | 732 comments I agree, Graeme, the media in the west is sanitised. The BBC is now ridiculous. When something happens now I generally go to Twitter and watch the hashtag streams from people on the ground...

Thanks for your insight, Nik. Fascinating and horrendous. You paint a very dangerous and terrifying picture..


message 23: by Tim (new)

Tim Rees | 732 comments Nik,
I remember travelling to Greece at 17 years old. We travelled by coach and had to pass through Yugoslavia as it was then. The coach pulled into one cafe and whilst we were drinking a coffee all hell let loose. Chairs were being hurled across the room then two groups of men attacked each other. We got out of there sharpish, but I do remember the look in some of the mens eyes. They were full of hate for each other. Very nasty, but I also sensed that that was what it was like everyday there. We didn't stop in Yugoslavia again.


message 24: by Nik (new)

Nik Krasno | 15714 comments Yeah, I know what you are talking about. Well, I've been to Slovenia and Croatia in 2003 or 4 and a couple of years ago and haven't noticed anything of a sort, but met nice people instead, so I hope it improves -:)
And where I'd lived in former USSR, it changed. Once it was only booze and violence for street kids and passing from one yard to another was pretty much like traveling into an enemy's territory, but now it's very different and I don't think it's more dangerous to hang out in Moscow, St. Petersburg, Kiev or Minsk than in Paris, London, Cardiff or New York and you will meet mostly very nice people, maybe not too subtle, but still.
The mentality changes, but still quite different, the values - somewhat different.
All in all, I don't think it's that manacing, but you can still see some violence like that during Euro in France this June.


message 25: by Tim (new)

Tim Rees | 732 comments I went into East Berlin when the wall was still up and life under communism seemed very grim.

Glad to hear things are better now. In the west, I think we view Putin as a bully, but maybe he needs to be. It is all he knows?


message 26: by Graeme (new)

Graeme Rodaughan Thanks Annie & Nik,

Of course, delivery matters, but I am clear about what I am doing when writing and I know that I can do it.

Marketing on the other hand is a weakness that I need to strengthen.


message 27: by Nik (new)

Nik Krasno | 15714 comments Tim wrote: "I went into East Berlin when the wall was still up and life under communism seemed very grim.

Glad to hear things are better now. In the west, I think we view Putin as a bully, but maybe he needs ..."


In many senses it was, in regard of lack of personal freedoms, oppressive regime, for example, yet on the other hand it was also nice, even romantic on other counts - like no rich or poor, no homeless or unemployed. I should notice, that it was never communist, although tagged so by the West. The system was called 'socialist' and it was suppose to evolve into communism. How wrong was Khrushev, predicting it would happen towards the end of the past century -:). In so-called 'communist' period, the situ was also different from the one I'd described about nineties and early 2000...
Can't call my childhood grim, but when I had a choice to leave I gladly did.
Don't know Putin personally, nor I follow him closely, but my impression - yeah polite diplomacy is hardly his most favorite choice. He likes to talk from the position of power, has no problem to cut gas supplies to any previously 'fraternal' nation or send Russian troops into action.


message 28: by Nik (new)

Nik Krasno | 15714 comments Graeme wrote: "Marketing on the other hand is a weakness that I need to strengthen."

Hope you'll find some helpful advice here from colleagues, who are doing not bad at all at that


message 29: by Graeme (new)

Graeme Rodaughan There is much to learn here.


message 30: by Tim (new)

Tim Rees | 732 comments I agree, Graeme. This is a great group.


message 31: by Jason (new)

Jason (jasonvigorito) | 5 comments Fantastic group! Glad I joined!


message 32: by Mehreen (new)

Mehreen Ahmed (mehreen2) | 1907 comments Tim wrote: "Where do we get our inspiration from? For me it is usually something I identify in society that angers me, i.e., for Delphian it is vivisection. I hate the hypocrisy of vivisection and felt compell..."

I get mine from nature and natural objects such as rain inspires me to write. Sunset and the colours of the rainbow. But above everything human plights.


message 33: by Tim (new)

Tim Rees | 732 comments We're not so far apart in finding inspiration in nature, Mehreen. The common theme in much of my work is targeting people who abuse nature and other life forms. But for human plights I am far too misanthropic. I lack the necessary empathy.


message 34: by Mehreen (new)

Mehreen Ahmed (mehreen2) | 1907 comments Tim wrote: "We're not so far apart in finding inspiration in nature, Mehreen. The common theme in much of my work is targeting people who abuse nature and other life forms. But for human plights I am far too m..."

Rephrase 'misanthropic' to 'philanthropic', not at all lacking in empathy either from what I have understood about you so far. Being ambitious is a good thing or we would all end up in the cess-pool of nothingness. 0 comes out of 0, no less.


message 35: by Ian (new)

Ian Miller | 11480 comments Inspiration is what you get when you open your mind and let it come in.


message 36: by Mehreen (new)

Mehreen Ahmed (mehreen2) | 1907 comments Graeme wrote: "Thanks Annie & Nik,

Of course, delivery matters, but I am clear about what I am doing when writing and I know that I can do it.

Marketing on the other hand is a weakness that I need to strengthen."


Marketing is my weakness too. But I know what I want to write and how.


message 37: by Matthew (new)

Matthew Williams (houseofwilliams) Good question, and one I don't think I can answer too well. Inspiration for me has come from too many places, and it often seems random. Basically, it all comes down to "this would be a good idea!", but the process for how I ever got to that point is indefinable.


message 38: by Jen Pattison (new)

Jen Pattison | 409 comments Nik wrote: "Yeah, I know what you are talking about. Well, I've been to Slovenia and Croatia in 2003 or 4 and a couple of years ago and haven't noticed anything of a sort, but met nice people instead, so I hop..."

I can also say the same for Bosnia from a visit in 2011, all I encountered were lovely people, great food and not a single fight on my travels.


message 39: by Jen Pattison (new)

Jen Pattison | 409 comments My inspiration for my book came from my life experience, my view on modern society and culture that may well be offbeat since it goes against the grain of much of popular culture, and the realisation that there are very few books in my non-fiction genre written from a British perspective.


message 40: by J.J. (new)

J.J. Mainor | 2278 comments About to release an old manuscript I wrote at the end of the 90s as more of a curiosity piece. It's a tale of rebellion over local politics and college protests, but the whole idea sprung from someone in real life and their love of Abercrombie and Fitch clothing. Just as the students in the piece support the "rebellion" because it's cool and not because they truly believe in whatever they think the "rebels" fight for, he wore the clothing because the brand was cool and not because he liked the clothing.


message 41: by Nik (new)

Nik Krasno | 15714 comments Who could ever think that Abercrombie and Fitch would inspire a novel? -:)


message 42: by Michel (last edited Aug 29, 2016 07:38AM) (new)

Michel Poulin I would argue that inspiration comes to an author partly from having travelled wide and far. Of course, pure imagination is great for inspiration, but to have seen various foreign places and people around the World would have given an author an idea of the kind of diversity and subtlety that could be used in a story. Also, it may make the book you write appealing to more readers, by having more open/informed writing.

Personal life experience can also be a big factor. For example, someone who has seen war from up close will most probably be better at writing about war than, say, some Virtual Reality warrior whose closest experience of war was watching a Rambo movie.


message 43: by J.J. (new)

J.J. Mainor | 2278 comments Nik wrote: "Who could ever think that Abercrombie and Fitch would inspire a novel? -:)"

It was actually a play. But I always thought it was funny creating a massive, sweeping, and unrelated analogy about something so small and seemingly insignificant.


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