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Jun 2016: Flesh > Flesh *SPOILER* discussion

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message 1: by Felicia, Grand Duchess (new)

Felicia (feliciaday) | 740 comments Mod
Discuss the main pick spoiler-ific stuff HERE!


message 2: by Hannah (new)

Hannah (hannahmarae) So, um, this one is gonna be interesting. Creeper alert on Daniel. >.<


message 3: by retro (new)

retro (retrooo) Hannah wrote: "So, um, this one is gonna be interesting. Creeper alert on Daniel. >.<"

No kidding. It's barely two months after the zombie outbreak and the guy's gone full caveman. Guess we should be glad he hasn't clubbed her over the head to show his affection?


message 4: by Hannah (new)

Hannah (hannahmarae) retronoisette wrote: "Hannah wrote: "So, um, this one is gonna be interesting. Creeper alert on Daniel. >.

No kidding. It's barely two months after the zombie outbreak and the guy's gone full caveman. Guess we should b..."


Hey, he's a nice guy. He'll just refer to her as 'his' until she realizes resisting is pointless.
I hope the other guy is more... normal. >.<


message 5: by Carly (new)

Carly Crusade | 51 comments Hannah wrote: "retronoisette wrote: "Hannah wrote: "So, um, this one is gonna be interesting. Creeper alert on Daniel. >.

No kidding. It's barely two months after the zombie outbreak and the guy's gone full cave..."


The "his" is really annoying. How could he be so possessive of a complete stranger? I get the not wanting to let her go (for safety reasons) and even the sexual tension but complete possessiveness, especially this early, is worrisome.


message 6: by Patricia (new)

Patricia d | 38 comments I already want Daniel dead, 'you wanna bang now? how bout now? ' Super gross, let's hope the other guy is normal.


message 7: by Hannah (new)

Hannah (hannahmarae) I might puke a bit when I actually get to the sex scenes. >.<


message 8: by Carly (last edited Jun 17, 2016 11:30AM) (new)

Carly Crusade | 51 comments Idk. I thought the initial sexual tension in the first chapter was kind of hot. It was his first contact with another person in a while and he was having trouble controlling himself. I could get that. But after the first chapter it started to get annoying. I'm only 4 in now though so we will see where it goes.


message 9: by tace (new)

tace | 36 comments It does get better when Al starts showing a personality. But no, the 2nd dude is mucho screwed up, too. Dan grew on me though. He was (eventually) sweet for a hulked-out alpha male caveman. But the ARROGANCE of the 2 dudes, lord.

I liked that Al was very attached to her guns, I just wished she'd used them more. I'm so tired of that helpless woman trope. Good thing the smut was hot enough to make up for it (for me, at least). Turns out I've read more of her books--bless my local library's dirty ebook collection.

Reading that made me want to start stocking up on stuff for the apocalypse.

First thing on my list: one of those chainmail suits people wear to dive with sharks.

Second would be some bolt cutters after seeing how useful they were in Fury Road.

And fair warning: do NOT get the 2nd book if this one bothers you.


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Liangelus (goodreadscomliangelus) | 12 comments So many things I could say about this book but the first sentence of the first chapter had me wavering and the first sentence of the second chapter pretty much lost me.

"Daniel looked down the barrel of the shotgun"

This is set in Brisbane, Australia. We have SUPER strict gun laws in Australia. So where the heck did Ali get a shotgun from? Especially if she had been living in an attic for the last two months!

Not to mention the continual supply of guns and ammo that everyone seemed to have. I understand Finn having weapons, he was a cop and as they travel further west, I can understand some of the farmers having shotguns but I have never seen a gun in real life (except in the holster of a police officer, but never out of one). Guns are not something that people generally have lying around their houses in Australia.

That leads me to my second issue. We don't really have attics in Australia. We have crawl spaces under the roof but as the name states, there is only enough room to crawl around and there are really only beams, wiring and insulation (if you're lucky) up there.

Not to mention the fact that Ali was supposedly living in one for two months with minimal food and water during a Queensland summer! She'd be dead in less than a week!

Maybe I'm being pedantic but this really bugged me. For the rest of the book, I had to pretend it was set somewhere in the US and I had no problems smashing through it.

The smut was definitely hot. I thought Daniel was a good guy for the most part, despite the caveman crap but that's possibly because Finn was so much of a douche that Daniel probably seemed like the perfect man in comparison.


message 11: by Avidreader (new)

Avidreader (a_nerd_girls_thoughts) | 10 comments I should note that I have a fear of zombies so when I say that this book scared me you should take it with a grain of salt so to speak. Despite my fear of zombies and aversion to gore I read this book because I truly love being a part of Vaginal Fantasy book club and didn’t want to have to sit this one out. The first half of the book was gentle on zombies and gore so I got a little too confident and then the second half came and danger struck. I am glad I pushed my way through the scenes that I didn’t care for because this was actually a good book.

I want to be able to say that I disliked how much of a chicken Ali is, as that’s not how I prefer my female leads normally, but since I would be even worse I shouldn’t say anything on the matter. I like the ease with which Daniel views what is happening between him and Ali but I loved Finn as a character over all. I loved the range in sex scenes, and the unusual yet true romance that the three characters share. The ending left me suspicious and wary but the flash forward a couple weeks was very nice and a good way to wrap up the book.

Flesh was a simple read that I consumed, maybe that’s not the best choice in words, in just two nights. While I enjoyed the book, and would certainly recommend it to anyone who would read a zombie M/F/M book, I’m not sure I will be continuing the series for the selfish reason that the next book isn’t the same characters. I got used to the zombie idea because of the characters, mainly Finn, and am not sure I am ready to readjust with new characters, at least not yet.


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retro (retrooo)
Daniel did not want to share her. Not with the kid, not with anyone, not even a little. He knew it would work, this insane idea of going halves, he just didn’t want it to. He had only recently found her and she was his. But he couldn’t keep her safe on his own, a fact that bit deep and hard and hung on as a pit bull would. How the hell to convince her? What Ali wanted and what would keep her safe and alive would likely be at odds in this case. She’d accused him of being pushy a time or two. His girl had no real idea how far he’d go to protect her.


They've literally only just met Finn, Daniel caught him staring at Ali while she sleeps, and this is his response. Framed as an 'oh, it'll hurt me to have to pimp her out, but goddamn it, I'll do it if it keeps her safe'. He hasn't brought it up with Ali, hasn't even considered that she might not want to sleep with (yet another) stranger 'for her own protection'. It's just how much it'll hurt him to have to share his property.

What. the. hell.


message 13: by tace (new)

tace | 36 comments @retronoisette It is so jarring to switch between Ali's point of view and the 2 maniacs she's with. They inhabit different realities


message 14: by Annalies (new)

Annalies | 4 comments I found the Ali' love interests waay too possessive and a lot of the sex scenes felt borderline rape-y.


message 15: by Hannah (new)

Hannah (hannahmarae) I'm having a hard time doing more than just skimming the book because there doesn't seem to be a whole lot of story between the "you're mine." "No. well okay I guess."


message 16: by retro (new)

retro (retrooo) I'm still waiting for the zombies to be more than buzzing (thumping) mosquitos (plot devices) in the background.

So far there's a motorcycle gang and the persistent threat of rape (which excuses all manner of sins on the part of our 'heroes'). Not so much with the brain-eating, though.


message 17: by Malaraa (new)

Malaraa | 335 comments Zombie level was very tame throughout, which works for me, I'm not a fan of gore.

With lines likes the "no idea how far he'd go" and the scene where he's trying to talk her into it by saying "what if we met Finn and I wanted him?" I was seriously expecting some M/M action to give poor Ali some time off and a show to watch. What if Dan and Finn had been watching each others backs first, then they ran into Ali, and it was her idea to share? Or if Dan and Ali (or Finn and Ali, or hell, Dan and Finn) had been a couple pre-zombie times?

That said, with a mental setting of "I'm watching these people in a relationship roleplay a goofy home-porn/zombie-flick" it was fun enough. I've gotten a few laughs out of it, looking at it that way, and that's more than I expected, so I'm content.


message 18: by retro (new)

retro (retrooo) An established couple would've worked a lot better to set up the menage. As it stands, in just three days, Dan's already telling Ali that he loves her, both he and Finn have a near self-destructive urge to protect her, and she's agonizing about 'cheating' on her 'boyfriend'.

I thought there might be some MM content coming up, too, but given the genre and the alphole heroes, that seems to be pretty much a no-no. They can watch each other be intimate with Ali, but no homo. Fragile masculinity is the hottest, I guess?


message 19: by Patricia (new)

Patricia d | 38 comments I know! I was hoping for a little polyamorous tenderness, like if Rick and Daryl met a nice girl in the wasteland they wouldn't have been as douchey. I'm going to read some Walking Dead slash fic to cleanse my palette.


message 20: by Lisa (new)

Lisa (teenymayhem) | 11 comments I love this group. I really do! But this month's selection is hurting my brain. I'm trying my best to look at it as just comic erotica so I can get through, but it really just makes me want to cry. lol! No! Seriously! Dan is so possessive he's making me claustrophobic and very queasy. And 30% through the book, I don't see Ali as a "strong, self-sufficient" person. I understand that this is erotica and the story doesn't have to be good, but would it have been so hard to have both? haha! I said "hard". Is it wrong for me to want more intelligence with my erotica?


message 21: by Hannah (new)

Hannah (hannahmarae) I dunno, I think the most entertaining months are when the book is terrible. XD


message 22: by Lisa (new)

Lisa (teenymayhem) | 11 comments True! I think I'm taking the book too seriously :P


message 23: by Kay (new)

Kay (queenofrandomness) | 16 comments I pretty much agree with everyone up above. Just looked at the description for the next book of the series. It seems to have managed how to be an even more creeptastic romance.


message 24: by retro (new)

retro (retrooo) In terms of Ali's agency, I think it gets slightly better by the end/she bucks their control a little more and gets away with it. That doesn't stop the men from reprimanding her, of course, and that nasty streak of women (I'm sorry, 'females') being regarded as property to be acquired/protected from other men persists throughout.

I found it really interesting that in a world where food and medicine are so scarce, every man's number one priority is finding a woman (and always a woman) to have sex with. If it's not Dan-and-Finn, it's the motorcycle gang. If it's not them, it's the single guys in the settlement. Or the militia soldiers.

Makes me wonder why the women survivors haven't gone off to open their own commune (potentially with some dildos). Men seem more frightening than zombies, in this post-apocalyptic world!

I have some things to say about the end twist (namely why anyone would fixate on Ali, a newcomer, when Erin was right there and easily would've made a better incentive to convince Sam/Santa and the council) but, honestly, by that point I just wanted it to be over.


message 25: by Hannah (new)

Hannah (hannahmarae) And keep in mind it's only been like 2 months. So apparently all men go crazy after not having a woman for 8 weeks. Oooookay.


message 26: by Carly (new)

Carly Crusade | 51 comments I'm also really bothered with how quick they fall into relationship mode. Like why can't two people who are attracted to each other just fuck? It's the zombie apocalylse for goodness sake!


message 27: by Carly (new)

Carly Crusade | 51 comments And Ali just goes along with it all. She basically has stockholm syndrome


message 28: by Sophie (new)

Sophie Buttons (sophiebuttons) | 23 comments I am a fan of erotic romance, explicit sex scenes are great! The set up is usually pretty thinly plotted and ridiculous, so I try to not get to into details. They are not the point, the sexy times are.

That said, I am having a hard time with this one as I have come to loathe both Al and Daniel. His instant possessiveness is not unusual for a romance novel, but he just rubs me the wrong way. And Al is annoying as well, I find her "relationship" talk irritating.

One picky detail: had it been months/years since the zombie apocalypse, then a lot of things would make more sense. But just 2 months makes this crazy "must have sex with a female" business a bit harder to go with.

My recs for decent M/M/F erotic romance:
Hotter Than Ever by Elle Kennedy (in the middle of a series, but fine to just dive into)
Dirty Thirty by Cara McKenna (novella about three-way as a birthday gift from wife to husband)

General erotic romance:
Intrusion by Charlotte Stein, also Addicted
Unbound by Cara Mckenna
Talking Dirty with the CEO by Jackie Ashenden


message 29: by Florence (new)

Florence Sophie wrote: "I am a fan of erotic romance, explicit sex scenes are great! The set up is usually pretty thinly plotted and ridiculous, so I try to not get to into details. They are not the point, the sexy times ..."

Just like Sophie, I started the book expecting the story to be a bit thin, because the sexy times would be really what it was all about. So I think I enjoy the book a lot more knowing that. The sexy scenes were good. I think it was my first time reading about a threesome and I admit I was curious and the book manage to hold my interest all the way through.

That being said, there were some things that I didn't much care for. First thing being Dan and Ali. Dan, what a freaking creep... His attitude was way to rapey for me to like him. Couldn't care for the possessiveness either.

As for Ali, clearly not the brightest cookie in the jar. Nor the most competent. I think that may explain the setting though. Two years after the zombie apocalypse without the boys? She'd be 'dead. So I think the story had to take place not so far after the zombie plague.

Finn was fine though. I didn't mind him being possessive so much, because it wasn't all over the place like Dan.

Carly wrote: "I'm also really bothered with how quick they fall into relationship mode. Like why can't two people who are attracted to each other just fuck? It's the zombie apocalylse for goodness sake!"

Seconded!!! To me, the story would have made a lot more sense with the sex, but without all the romance. Also, them making a big deal about not wearing the condom toward the end of the book... You're in the middle of a zombie apocalypse with two guys that you barely know and you don't care about getting pregnant? Nope! I don't buy it.


message 30: by Jordan (new)

Jordan (jordan_lusink) I have lots of feelings, but the biggest one that's annoying me right now is this: did this girl have a congenital heart problem earlier in life and have her heart replaced with one from a rabbit? Because unless she has a literal bunny organ inside her body, SHUT THE EFF UP ABOUT THE "RABBIT HEART."


message 31: by Hannah (new)

Hannah (hannahmarae) But being rabbity is so cute and endearing. She's just sooo helpless and needs those big strong men. :l


message 32: by Jessica (new)

Jessica (j-boo) | 182 comments I'm with a lot of you on this one.

The sex scenes were hot, but the plot was mostly just a flimsy backdrop for all the sex, and the characters...ugh.

Both of the men want only to keep "their girl" (who they only just met) safe, which is how they justify being creepy condescending a*holes to her. But she's not allowed to worry about their safety, oh no! THEY are capable, thank you very much!

I kind of just tried to go with it and enjoy it for what it was, but toward the end when Ali is upset (a woman's feelings are valid, too, guys!) and their solution is to physically hold her down and force sex acts on her despite her saying "Stop" - that grossed me out so bad. But OF COURSE she gets so turned on by her rape that she's no longer upset at them, presto! I realize some parts of erotica are about writing scenes that are a bit taboo, that no one would ever consider on real life but can get revved up by in their fiction, but that one really rubbed me the wrong way.

This was a hot read at times, but in the end, not worth the misogyny.


message 33: by Jordan (new)

Jordan (jordan_lusink) Alright, I'm calling it. I'm lemming this book. I can count on less than my two hands the number of books that I've done this with, because usually my obsessive nature kicks in, but I just can't with these characters anymore. And I'm getting to this point where I'm feeling overwhelmed by the pure number of truly fantastic books there are in the world, and it's not worth wasting time on something that's only going to infuriate me when I could read something that will challenge me, or make me laugh, or titillate me without the immense anger.

Bonnie, kudos for picking something on the smuttier side! I could use more of that. I just couldn't handle the rest...


message 34: by Angela (new)

Angela Kravcevich (sheogora) | 20 comments I am dangerously close to just tossing the book out the window... The characters are awful, the writting is awful, the smut is ok but the rapyness of it ruins everything.

For the first 20% of the book it was 2 people perspectives describing each others sexy bits, then there was like 5% of incredibly poorly written action and then bam... back to the sexy bits...


message 35: by Jessica (new)

Jessica (j-boo) | 182 comments Liangelus wrote: "So many things I could say about this book but the first sentence of the first chapter had me wavering and the first sentence of the second chapter pretty much lost me.

"Daniel looked down the bar..."


So strange, since the author is Australian. Although I guess accuracy wasn't necessarily high on the list for this book.


message 36: by Beth (new)

Beth P Curly wrote: "I am dangerously close to just tossing the book out the window...."

I pushed through and ended up hate-reading the entire thing. Probably wasn't worth it other than giving me the ability to go into full rant-mode about it.

Here's an article to help identify "The 7 Stages of Hate-Reading" for any who might need it:
http://bookriot.com/2016/05/02/7-stages-hate-reading/


message 37: by Valerie (new)

Valerie (valkyrieandherbooks) | 14 comments Beth wrote: "Curly wrote: "I am dangerously close to just tossing the book out the window...."

I pushed through and ended up hate-reading the entire thing. Probably wasn't worth it other than giving me the abi..."


Yes! Definitely a hate-read! Unfortunately even hate reading couldn't get me through this one! There's too many books I have to catch up on before Fall semester starts and my ability to read non-academic books ends! But good on you Bonnie for going there! More filthy dirty reads the better! I love your picks even when I don't! If that makes sense...


message 38: by Tracey (new)

Tracey White | 15 comments retronoisette wrote: "An established couple would've worked a lot better to set up the menage. As it stands, in just three days, Dan's already telling Ali that he loves her, both he and Finn have a near self-destructive..."

This pretty much summed up my feelings. I can overlook a lot in a fantasy setting but the instantaneous "love" was just cringe-worthy. The dialogue was just, ugh.


message 39: by Raigne (new)

Raigne | 2 comments It appears I didn't have the issues a lot of you had with this book. There are a lot of outside displays of dominance and treating women as a commodity to be closely guarded, but in an apocalyptic setting where the men greatly outnumber the women, I absolutely believe that's what would happen. As far as dominance where the actual sex is concerned, it feels more like a consensual power exchange to me than "rapey". I don't know. For what it was, I enjoyed this one, but that could just be because the power dynamic is something that appeals to me personally.


message 40: by Erinn (new)

Erinn Mitsch | 1 comments Possession was annoying. I thought I missed a few chapters in the beginning because I couldn't explain why Daniel kept referring to her as 'his'. I get that the author is trying to show he has immediate feelings for her, but that was not hot at all. Gave the book a definite rapey feel. I was hoping Finn would die most of the book. He seemed much more domineering than Dan. Hated the ending scene. It seemed barely consensual and the wrong way to go about it. Didn't really understand the sharing dynamic and I don't think it ever worked for them. For three individuals who seemed very private in the real world, they're full of I love yous in the zombie world. Most things didn't add up for me. Maybe I'm just boring and monogamous, but this book wouldn't get more than a 3 out of me.


message 41: by Kris (new)

Mermaid Kris (themermaidkris) Interesting thing for me is that I read a book and am enjoying it and after finishing I go "what the heck did I just read". To sum it up.
"Rape" and dominance/possessive part: I didn't take the part as a rape and I know what rape is. About the dominant part, trust me, I read worse. Try Silver Valley serie. Motorbike gang taking woman as "their old lady" was much worse for me.
Sex: Okay, I enjoyed this "stockholm syndrome" things. It was little bit too much sex at the end but okay. It was after all my first threesome book. (I liked 50 shades too ... long time ago :D )
Plot: Okay there was none! Sex, sex, sex and lets put some story there.
!!What bothered me!!
1) Do girls never get vaginal problems in fanfiction stories?! Honestly, she is screwing two guys few times a day (put aside always climax) and she is afraid to get pregnant?!
2) My, mine, his ... It was cute at the beginning but then it bothered me so much! I hate repeatedly words!
3) No one cared about the dogs???
4) Stockholm syndrome, bcs of course first man you meet after apocalypse is hot dude, then there are mean dudes and another hot dude!
5) Imaginary checklist for zombie apocalypse: a) get woman, b) try not to be eaten and find woman on the process, c) get a gun and kidnap woman, d) save someone and ask woman in return .... oh priorities. After 2 months the world went insane and kept the highest priority "get laid"!
6) She was the first and only one they met and they felt in love? Why?? Was her p*#sy made of gold? She didn't even add any skills to the party. She was good in hiding and holding. That is all. Personal sex toy.

Let's face it. Most of us women enjoyed the sex scenes bcs deep down we like stockholm syndrom and "rape" stories when the bad guys is the good guy at the end. However after reading it, we feel ashamed that we liked it. So this book goes to my "weak moment" shelf, I was happy to read something totally not complicated. Not that I read Shakespeare daily.

Just few things that made me laugh:
"You must be the one who came in yesterday, the one with the two men. Whore!" .. "I prefer the term "high-maintenance"
"Holy shit. We're gonna need more Eves in this garden." (point of the book)
And last. IT IS FREAKING WALKING DEAD PORN FANFICTION!


message 42: by Ian (new)

Ian (rocketsoup) | 6 comments I'm up to chapter 10 and am so uncomfortable. I'm creeped out by Daniel, but perhaps more so, disappointed by Ali. OK, he's a rapey, possessive, no-means-maybe jerk. Those dudes do exist, sadly. But I'm disappointed she's falling for it. Even as a guy I'm saying to myself, "please say this approach doesn't work on her, please?" It reads a little like a "Marty Stu," self-insertion, wish-fulfillment story. "He's so bad and I don't like him, but he's so irresistible, I can't help myself!"

I'm trying to treat it with a sense of campiness. It's not without entertainment value, but definitely makes me squirm.


message 43: by Alisha (new)

Alisha | 2 comments I agree with all of you, this book had some extremely problematic relationship setups. Dan's character immediately treated Ali like property to be "taken care of" and both males were dismissive of her thoughts and desires as a person not as a sex object.

The way that Finn is shouldering a full backpack with a frikking bullet wound and she is mildly concussed and SHE is the one both males are worrying about. Later on Dan has a cracked/bruised ribcage and internal bleeding and she is still the one they are looking after? Hello...

I also agree wholeheartedly with Liangelus that I could have used some more realism in terms of her survival in the crawl space/attic. Ali's climbing skills and athleticism could have been talked about instead of her fear and deference to the men.

The sex scenes really didn't do anything for me. I agree that the relationship should have been a true threesome! Equally between Dan, Finn, and Ali would have been hot. The entire premise of the book as it stands seems to be that in a post-apocalyptic situation women are only worth the "emotional support" they lend to "their man." Give me a break. The author reduces men to a horrible sex driven stereotype.

The author seemed to try and throw in Erin and Lindsey later in the book as examples of females kicking butt against the zombies, but it was too little too late. Plus she never fully realizes the interest and power of Lindsey's character, the plot with Rachel was just ludicrous and felt like a rip off of the riligious nut-job after the apocalypse plot.

It was such a quick read, I do wish that the author had more carefully paced the action. The biker gang seemed like an endless supply of random threat, while the feral dogs could have been a little more shocking and surprising in a world where you are expecting zombies. There were a lot of promising ideas here, the blatant sexism just lost the book's credibility with me early on.


message 44: by Jordan (new)

Jordan (jordan_lusink) Kris wrote: "Let's face it. Most of us women enjoyed the sex scenes bcs deep down we like stockholm syndrom and "rape" stories when the bad guys is the good guy at the end. However after reading it, we feel ashamed that we liked it. So this book goes to my "weak moment" shelf, I was happy to read something totally not complicated. Not that I read Shakespeare daily. "

Wow, I 100% disagree. I think it's fine to speak for yourself in these situations, but speaking for women at large is going a bit far. I personally stopped reading the book specifically because I DIDN'T want to read scenes like the ones you mentioned.


message 45: by retro (new)

retro (retrooo) Kris wrote: ""Rape" and dominance/possessive part: I didn't take the part as a rape and I know what rape is. "

Maybe it's not rape, but it's a sterling example of rape culture at work.

In at least one scene, Ali explicitly says 'stop' and the guys roll right past her objections. She's overpowered and overruled. Her consent is coerced from the beginning, a smokescreen behind which Dan (and later on Finn) hide to show they're not like the bikers (or other 'bad men').

It's a sad state of affairs when the only thing differentiating your love interests from your villains is that the former are good-looking. Although for all we know, there were hot bikers among that group, too. And maybe they, too, would've given Ali lots of orgasms and fussed over her like a beloved pet. Sure, they would've shared her between them with very little concern for her feelings, but that's Dan's MO anyway, so...


message 46: by Garfield (new)

Garfield Whyte (garfieldwhyte) Interesting!


message 47: by Jessica (new)

Jessica (j-boo) | 182 comments Kris wrote: "Interesting thing for me is that I read a book and am enjoying it and after finishing I go "what the heck did I just read". To sum it up.
"Rape" and dominance/possessive part: I didn't take the pa..."


To me, a woman saying "No, stop," and the man continues to finger her and then mount her despite that is kind of the definition of rape. And her other 'boyfriend' watching her get raped just made it extra creepy.

That was the only sex scene that was rapey to me, but it bothered the hell out of me.


message 48: by Carly (new)

Carly Crusade | 51 comments The whole thing with Finn flirting with Erin really bothered me. Ali is allowed to have two boyfriends but Finn can't even flirt with another girl? This book challenges conventional relationships with the two boyfriend thing while at the same time enforcing conventions, it's annoying. Also, I would have liked a little f/f action in there too. When Erin was introduced I was really hoping she would get involved with the sexy stuff.


message 49: by Carly (new)

Carly Crusade | 51 comments I really wanted to like this book. I highly prefer erotica to romance so I was excited about it. Also the idea of a threesome was great. The sex in the book was definitely good and the writing wasn't bad. The story was just ok, which as others have mentioned isn't necessarily a bad thing with erotic books (although there is erotica out there that have good stories as well). I just really had trouble getting past the whole possessive crap. Dominance is one thing (and something I personally like). But this went far beyond that and completely made Al out to be an object. It would have been better if she didn't go along with it as much. It is hard to believe that this was written by a woman. The helpless woman trope sucks and the book would have been great without it. I know these problems and tropes are in a lot of erotica but there is erotica out there that challenge these harmful tropes. I had hopes that one picked by Bonnie would be one of those.

With all that said I really hope the smutty choices keep coming. I dig romance too but it's not nearly as fun. :) Even the bad stereotypical ones like this are fun reads.


message 50: by Gabs (new)

Gabs | 6 comments Personally when I read Erotica I don't expect a complicated plot. It's all about the sexy times. That's probably the reason why I was only slightly bothered by the caveman attitude both guys where displaying and the "insta-love". That said, i completely agree with some previous comments on the scene where she said "no" multiple times to Fin while Dan watched, that scene was very wrong and definitely reinforces rape culture.
About the characters: Dan was passable at the end and I kinda liked his public displays of affection. Finn was too much for me i was hoping he was dead at the end. Ali was dumb she had nothing going on for her and no I don't think her "hiding skills" count.
On the story: I was expecting hotter and more "menage" sexy times I was kinda bumped we had to wait until the end. Also i agree that a if the author would have two of the characters known each other pre-apocalypse it would have made more sense and brought down the "insta-love" from "impossible" to "in your wildest dreams". And finally i was really hoping for some M/M action when Dan made that "what if I liked Fin?" comment to Ali. I know it wasn't listed in the synopsis but a girl can dream...


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