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message 1: by Chris, kingtermite (new) - rated it 5 stars

Chris (kingtermite) | 468 comments Mod
The January group read is "Magician: Apprentice" by Raymond E. Feist. This thread is for discussion of the book, and may contain any spoilers.

Magician Apprentice (The Riftwar Saga, #1) by Raymond E. Feist


message 2: by Chris, kingtermite (new) - rated it 5 stars

Chris (kingtermite) | 468 comments Mod
Keeping in mind that Magician: Apprentice is just the first half of what was one just one book.

You can't really read it without reading the second half, Magician: Master.

Magician Master (The Riftwar Saga, #2) by Raymond E. Feist


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Mel | 88 comments On a totally random note:

I am impressed that they have the Greek edition of the book in goodreads. This is the exact same edition I have back home. I now feel guilty that I left my books when I moved to the US (though there is only so much space in a suitcase) and frustrated that I have to wait till Thursday for my brand new English books to arrive..


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Chris (kingtermite) | 468 comments Mod
Melina wrote: "On a totally random note:

I am impressed that they have the Greek edition of the book in goodreads. This is the exact same edition I have back home. I now feel guilty that I left my books when I..."


Ebooks are there virtually instantaneously. Just sayin. ;)


Mark | 113 comments Just wondering if anyone has chosen to read the revised edition of Magician which contains more deeper storylines to the first edition.


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Chris (kingtermite) | 468 comments Mod
Mark wrote: "Just wondering if anyone has chosen to read the revised edition of Magician which contains more deeper storylines to the first edition."
No, I didn't know it existed, but thank you. If I reread it, I'll get that version.

Is there revised/extended versions of the other books in Riftwar Saga too, or just Magician?


Mark | 113 comments Chris wrote: "Mark wrote: "Just wondering if anyone has chosen to read the revised edition of Magician which contains more deeper storylines to the first edition."
No, I didn't know it existed, but ..."


No, he only did with magician.


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Chris (kingtermite) | 468 comments Mod
Mark wrote: "No, he only did with magician. "
Good enough. It was my favorite book of the series.


Silvana (silvaubrey) 20%. Lots of magic description I need to stop for a while. One thing that bugs me: Why the Duke let Carlene and Pug, two kids, go riding without escorts or security whatsoever? They surely knew there were trolls and stuff. Having guards would not disrupt Pug's action too much though, he could still cast the spell and saved the day.


Jason | 23 comments Mark wrote: "Just wondering if anyone has chosen to read the revised edition of Magician which contains more deeper storylines to the first edition."

It's the only version I will read now since it adds so much more to the story than what was first published.


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Chris (kingtermite) | 468 comments Mod
Jason wrote: "Mark wrote: "Just wondering if anyone has chosen to read the revised edition of Magician which contains more deeper storylines to the first edition."

It's the only version I will read..."

When I reread, I will definitely get that version!


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Swagat | 12 comments I never read the original version, just the revised version.


Silvana (silvaubrey) Anyone cringed when they entered the mines of Moria? Is this a deliberate nod to LoTR or typical D&D stuff?


message 14: by Mel (last edited Mar 06, 2016 11:00AM) (new) - rated it 4 stars

Mel | 88 comments Silvana wrote: "Anyone cringed when they entered the mines of Moria? Is this a deliberate nod to LoTR or typical D&D stuff?"

I won't claim expert-status on D&D literature, but from the ones I did read, there is always: 1. a quest under the mountains of Doom, with or without a dragon, more often than not with an undead army 2. an (ancient or not) half-mad and/or dead/leech king and 3. a half-elf/half-king character to be restored in kingship. Or return to the elves.

I've mentioned before I like the tripes when done properly and I read all these stereotypes fondly when done properly. I am also biased, because I still like this book even after so many years.


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Mark | 113 comments Silvana wrote: "Anyone cringed when they entered the mines of Moria? Is this a deliberate nod to LoTR or typical D&D stuff?"

More of a nod to both, feist has always said the books are based on his rpg group adventures he ran for years. He created midkemia for as a gm.


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Mel | 88 comments it's been a long time since I read this book and I find my memory hazy at best.

I am surprised by the scenes that I remember most clearly . they are little things, more often than not. like the house on the sorcerer's Isle: the dolphin fountain and the hamam.

if you are also reading this book for a second (or n-th) time, what surprised you when reading the book this time around?

ps: Fantus is the most awesome pet ever. this hasn't changed at all.


Silvana (silvaubrey) Got it, thank guys.

Fantus is cute! Cute pets are one of my favorite fantasy tropes.

65%. I think I can finish it tonight.


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Chris (kingtermite) | 468 comments Mod
Melina wrote: "it's been a long time since I read this book and I find my memory hazy at best. "
I know the feeling. It's been 20+ years since I read it and other than remembering Pug's story being one of my favorites of all-time, I remember very little in the way of details. I remember a scene here and there and that's about it.

Melina wrote: "ps: Fantus is the most awesome pet ever. this hasn't changed at all. "
I don't even remember this pet/character, for example.


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Mel | 88 comments I am finished!


Silvana (silvaubrey) Finished too! *high five with Melina*

I love the combat scenes at the end. That Martin Longbow is pretty badass. His stunt with the moredhel (Mirkwood elves?) was excellent. Wonder why Arutha had a bad feeling about him...

Tomas, wow. His vision is so intriguing. Wonder if he's going to turn up like that guy.

Pug, I can't believe he was gone from the narrative for like the last three or four chapters. I like him alot. He reminds me of Fitz.

Carline, finally not so annoying at the end. Funny that the author felt the need to literally write down her character growth several times.

Hmm what else. I love the way the plot moving so fast, even in the span of months between pages. Not much of tiring travelogue, instead there were exhilarating chase scenes.

I like it alot despite the annoying Carline at the start, Moria and Lothlorien (elves and trees again? Why can't elves live in mines for a change), so now I'm going straight to the next one.


message 21: by Mel (last edited Mar 07, 2016 05:54PM) (new) - rated it 4 stars

Mel | 88 comments Silvana wrote: "Finished too! *high five with Melina*"

yay! I loved your points.

What is the spoilers policy for the next books? After reading this book, I seem to have re-acquired my memories of the big story. Not individual plot lines, but I am semi-certain I know what happens with Martin and Tomas.

Why can't elves live in mines for a change
Because then, where would dwarves go?

Carline, finally not so annoying at the end. Funny that the author felt the need to literally write down her character growth several times.
She was definitely less annoying at the end, but I got tired of reading "gone was the petulance of old" "not the strongheaded princess she once was"... etc etc

I somehow left the next book in my desk at work so now I have to wait till tomorrow to start the next one. Can't wait :-)


Silvana (silvaubrey) Melina wrote: "

What is the spoilers policy for the next books?


Maybe another thread or have spoiler tags for discussion on Magician: Master?

Because then, where would dwarves go?
The trees? the sea? imagine dwarf pirates. some stronghold somewhere? airship? haha, just want to see something unique.
Just remembered actually elves did live underground, at least in Tolkien's lore.


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Mel | 88 comments Silvana wrote: Just remembered actually elves did live underground, at least in Tolkien's lore"

Depends on what elves we're talking about. The dark elves of Menzoberanzan live in underworld cities built with magic. They have also the most backstabbing society where women rule the houses and command the magic. i liked those books..


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Levi (levi66) | 44 comments This was my first time reading any of the Riftwar books, so I read both Magician: Apprentice and Magician: Master straight through as one volume. I'll stay away from discussing the plusses and minuses of the book and just address the elephant in the room: This book is not grimdark.


message 25: by Chris, kingtermite (new) - rated it 5 stars

Chris (kingtermite) | 468 comments Mod
Levi wrote: "This was my first time reading any of the Riftwar books, so I read both Magician: Apprentice and Magician: Master straight through as one volume. I'll stay away from discussing the plusses and minu..."

It was well known and stated beforehand that he book was not grimdark.


Silvana (silvaubrey) I finished the Master last night and was really bothered with the pacing. Way too quick! And the characters growth became the victims. Also, while most of the loose ends are finished, apparently there is still one mystery unsolved so I do have to read the next one or finish the saga.

Complete review:
(view spoiler)


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Mark | 113 comments Good review Silvana, enjoyed reading your thoghts about the book.

if you do a reread please read the revised edition, it may do something about your pacing issues with the two volumes set. I never read this as two books only one book here in the uk so the pacing wasn't too bad.

arutha is one the best characters in this set of books.


Silvana (silvaubrey) Mark wrote: "Good review Silvana, enjoyed reading your thoghts about the book.

if you do a reread please read the revised edition, it may do something about your pacing issues with the two volumes set. I never..."


Thanks Mark, it was full of rambling, I know. But at the least, a sign that I actually care about the series. I didn't realize I read the non-revised version. Didn't think it was too important (despite the warning in the thread) until late. Will check the Kindle version someday.

Any revised version of Silverthorn and the next one?


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Mark | 113 comments No, raymond wanted us as readers to read the he wanted to write when he first wrote. But as his first book it was raw and we got the the publihers wanted.

So when he had matured as an author he rewrote magician.


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Mel | 88 comments For what it's worth, I am reading "the author's preferred edition" and I am still having issues with pacing. And characters being jerks and me being supposed to like them.


Jason | 23 comments Currently at the Mac Mordain Cadal part on Apprentice. This is one of my favorite parts since it sets the stage for Tomas for later in the series.

One thing I wish I could do and be good at is that of an Artist. I would love to be able to draw the Waterfall scene in a few different types of mediums.


Silvana (silvaubrey) The dragon was like the good Smaug, wasn't he? I wanted more stories on these old dragon lords, wonder if that's in the Cycle noveld.


Jason | 23 comments Silvana wrote: "The dragon was like the good Smaug, wasn't he? I wanted more stories on these old dragon lords, wonder if that's in the Cycle noveld."

I remember we got a fair bit of history of the Dragon Lords in later novels. It would have been nice if Feist would have of done a Prequel, but sadly that never happened.


Brittany | 552 comments Mod
I'm not reading any of the previous comments because I'm only done with chapter one but so far I like the pace and the writing. I was a bit surprised on how quickly the main plot (I assume) started right off the bat between Pug and Kulgan.


pisang - Florian | 66 comments Already told this, but since this is the group read of the month..The Magician got me into reading and fantasy :-) So thank you Mr Feist. I Can't remember much accept for the fact that people in the schoolbus asked me why I was reading this big book (Both volumes in one).


pisang - Florian | 66 comments PS: Silverthorn and A Darkness at Sethanon were also very nice to read. So If you enjoy The Magician I recommend to continue the series. :-)


Silvana (silvaubrey) I don't want to read the description/synopsis of A Darkness at Sethanon (because of possible spoilers for Silverthorn) but who's the main POV?


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Chris (kingtermite) | 468 comments Mod
It's been so long that I don't remember, but my guess would be Arutha.


Silvana (silvaubrey) Chris wrote: "It's been so long that I don't remember, but my guess would be Arutha."

Oh goodie, He's my fave character.

While waiting for the others to finish this book, and stay in line with the group, I was wondering whether the series could be made into a grimdark one.

I mean, in Magician: Master I sort of see Tomas's POVs rather grimdark and actually hoping that he stayed being a lunatic golden warrior thing for a longer time. The way it was handled in the book was not very satisying for me - if the book is grimdark then what he did could be more gruesome, with more resistance (with bloody consequences of course) from the elven prince - while the dwarves are torn into following him or not because he's just so evil. And the story could have those flashbacks still, as the last dragon lord seemed really interesting from the get go when he enslaved the dark elves.

I have not read the rest aside from The Magician so maybe in later books there is a more grimdark side to the story?


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Mel | 88 comments Mark wrote: "https://m.facebook.com/refeist/posts/...

found this on facebook."


interesting!


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Mel | 88 comments What about the next books? Since I started it, I am thinking that I might as well finish it. Anyone interested in reading the following two books in the series?


Brittany | 552 comments Mod
I am almost finally finished with book one and I will definitely continue the series.


Silvana (silvaubrey) I'll continue with Silverthorn but dunno when. If I have reading buddies then I can start sooner.


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