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The Tell Tale Heart -December 2015
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I personally really love this work, It's one of the few Poe works that I've read, and I have read it several times. To me it's a perfect example for both the subject of the horror genre and the short story format.


I finished vol. 1 this summer so I know it's not in that one.

For those looking for a copy, you can get one at the virginia.edu website here: http://xroads.virginia.edu/~hyper/POE...

I finished vol. 1 this summer so I know it's not in that one."
Try Volume 2. Most of his famous short stories are in that one.
In fact, here's an index to the 5 volume set:
http://www.gutenberg.org/files/25525/...
According to this, "The Tell-Tale Heart" should be the third to the last.
Cameron wrote: "Hi everyone, I just wanted to jump in here in case anyone else was confused for a second. I found this story in my EAP anthology I have and was surprised to see it (in my book 4 pages long (not 31 ..."
Cameron I agree that this is not a 31 page book, that is the number pages listed by Goodreads for the book depicted at the top of the page. I read two different PDF versions form different web sites and read both versions in a very short time.
Cameron I agree that this is not a 31 page book, that is the number pages listed by Goodreads for the book depicted at the top of the page. I read two different PDF versions form different web sites and read both versions in a very short time.

I guess I imagined him already from jail or somewhere else incarcerated, telling his story and explaining himself. From the beginning he tried to tell the readers that he wasn't crazy so I automatically assumed that he was trying to defend himself in a sense (I guess that does support the court-room thought). I never thought twice about my jail theory after the ending.

I always imagined him in an asylum, as I would think that is where he would have ended up. Though now that in court is mentioned, that would make sense too.
I really like this short story. I would have to say it is my second favorite Poe story, after The Fall of the House of Usher.
I just got a copy of this story today and after reading your comments I'm even more excited to get stuck in!
I really liked this! It's all dark and dastardly and everything I'd want from Poe! The book I have had two other short stories by Poe in it and I'm going to continue and read those too. Hopefully I like them as much
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AnneGordon wrote: "Where do you imagine the narrator is and who do you imagine he is talking to? I imagined him in an old barracks or court trying to make his case and slipping into his madness and then I imagined hi..."
I pictured him at the police station retelling his story in detail after his outburst confession.
"It took me an hour to place my whole head within the opening so far that I could see him as he lay upon his bed. Ha! would a madman have been so wise as this,"
This one sentence speaks to his insanity, a whole hour just to ease his head into the room. How about this passage, Poe is excellent with words.
"If still you think me mad, you will think so no longer when I describe the wise precautions I took for the concealment of the body. The night waned, and I worked hastily, but in silence. First of all I dismembered the corpse. I cut off the head and the arms and the legs."
I haven't read much of Poe's work, but this is the best so far.
I pictured him at the police station retelling his story in detail after his outburst confession.
"It took me an hour to place my whole head within the opening so far that I could see him as he lay upon his bed. Ha! would a madman have been so wise as this,"
This one sentence speaks to his insanity, a whole hour just to ease his head into the room. How about this passage, Poe is excellent with words.
"If still you think me mad, you will think so no longer when I describe the wise precautions I took for the concealment of the body. The night waned, and I worked hastily, but in silence. First of all I dismembered the corpse. I cut off the head and the arms and the legs."
I haven't read much of Poe's work, but this is the best so far.
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AnneGordon wrote: "Where do you imagine the narrator is and who do you imagine he is talking to? I imagined him in an old barracks or court trying to make his case and slipping into his madness and then I imagined hi..."
I have always imagined him in an asylum, and it would not surprise me if he were the only person present.
I love Poe and this story is so essentially everything that makes Poe tick.
Do you think the narrator is only imagining the sound of the heart, that the heart is supernaturally beating for his benefit, or that he hears the sound of his own heart beating in fear and that it is an exact reflection of the sound of the old man's heart as he waits to be murdered?
I have always imagined him in an asylum, and it would not surprise me if he were the only person present.
I love Poe and this story is so essentially everything that makes Poe tick.
Do you think the narrator is only imagining the sound of the heart, that the heart is supernaturally beating for his benefit, or that he hears the sound of his own heart beating in fear and that it is an exact reflection of the sound of the old man's heart as he waits to be murdered?

I have hard time liking short stories in general but I must say that this was pretty good! It did grab me and it manage to give me creepy feeling ;) Have to try something else from the collection, when I have time.
Desertorum wrote: "This was my first Poe! I was going to skip this but then I realised I have collection of his works on my Kindle and this was also in it.
I have hard time liking short stories in general but I must ..."
Do read The Cask of Amontillado my very favorite of his short stories!
I have hard time liking short stories in general but I must ..."
Do read The Cask of Amontillado my very favorite of his short stories!

I have hard time liking short stories in ..."
Thank for the suggestion, I have it in the collection so that might be my next one!
And I have to say that I did lie! I have read other Poe; Murder at Rue Morgue. And I think it was kind of different from this one.
AnneGordon wrote: "Bob wrote:.". How about this passage, Poe is excellent with words.
Yes, Bob. I like the paragraph beginning 'Presently I heard a slight groan, and I knew it was the groan of mortal terror' It's s..."
Yes, there is always the poetic behind his prose. I can imagine him carefully picking every single word he uses. I love the way his stories build toward the crescendo.
Yes, Bob. I like the paragraph beginning 'Presently I heard a slight groan, and I knew it was the groan of mortal terror' It's s..."
Yes, there is always the poetic behind his prose. I can imagine him carefully picking every single word he uses. I love the way his stories build toward the crescendo.
Who titles better than Poe? Tell Tale Heart, Pit and the Pendulum, Mask of the Red Death. The names make you itch to read them.

I also listered to The Cask of Amontillado as recommended by Sara. What a great story! I'm definitely going to have to read it as well as I don't know what to think. Possibly even better than The Telltale Heart



Surely the fact very fact that he feels that level of guilt is an indication of sanity. If he were caught up in some mad delusion he would believe his act to be justified.




I've never thought about from where the narrator is telling his story. I guess it never seemed important to me but thinking about it now I feel like he's just explaining what he did to a friend or acquaintance in his prison. He doesn't have an agenda to his description which would be seen in a court room setting and I don't think he would end up in an asylum.
Annie wrote: "The Tell Tale Heart is probably my favorite short story. I remember reading it in 5th grade and realizing how visceral a story could be. I think before then I'd read stories for the plot and an und..."
I suppose the suggestion of an asylum comes to me because he starts out by trying to prove he is NOT insane and mentions that they all say he is. It feels much more like he is trying to establish his sanity than justify his crime.
I suppose the suggestion of an asylum comes to me because he starts out by trying to prove he is NOT insane and mentions that they all say he is. It feels much more like he is trying to establish his sanity than justify his crime.
Graham wrote: "Ok, let me get this straight. I love Poe's poetry and consider it some of the best poetry ever made. But in my honest opinion, and don't kill me, his short stories are not that good. In fact, most ..."
I'm pleased he did not take your advice. When reading short stories, I often feel as if the story is not enough, as if there was more to tell or not enough to justify the telling. I never feel that with Poe. He had the rare ability to see the tale completely and tell it in the least space possible without any sense of cheating the audience. I think his stories have so much appeal for me because they are almost as lyrical as his poetry.
I'm pleased he did not take your advice. When reading short stories, I often feel as if the story is not enough, as if there was more to tell or not enough to justify the telling. I never feel that with Poe. He had the rare ability to see the tale completely and tell it in the least space possible without any sense of cheating the audience. I think his stories have so much appeal for me because they are almost as lyrical as his poetry.

I've never read his poetry. Will definitely have to try it. I have to agree with you in general that short stoories can just leave the reader wanting more insight, but sometimes this can be a good thing. A story that leaves no questions, no blanks to be filled by the readers imagination, can quickly fade from the mind.


I've only read a few Poe stories, but I also love The Murders in the Rue Morgue.
Like Cameron above, it made me think of Dostoevsky's Crime and Punishment, and I pictured him in a similar police station setting.
What did you all think of the statement "What you mistake for madness is over-acuteness of the senses?"
Kathleen wrote: "What did you all think of the statement "What you mistake for madness is over-acuteness of the senses?"
I think he is trying to convince himself that it was not madness but some acuity in himself. It would take a madman to kill a person he liked perfectly well, only because of a physical defect. Of course, killing without reason was probably less common in those days then it is in these.
I think he is trying to convince himself that it was not madness but some acuity in himself. It would take a madman to kill a person he liked perfectly well, only because of a physical defect. Of course, killing without reason was probably less common in those days then it is in these.

I remember reading this sentence but not thinking very much of it. Thank you for bringing it to our attention here. I think there are some clues / important points for any of our 'arguments' in this sentence itself.
It is only after this sentence that we hear for the first time the beating of the victims heart. This therefore introduces the reader (listener?) to the topic of the narrators (proclaimed) madness (we are assuming that he is defending his madness of hearing the heart ... not the madness of killing someone for no good reason but an evil eye).
I think there are two opposite ways to look at the sentence.
First, literally, in that he is stating that he isn't mad and rather his heightened senses actually allowed him to hear the beating of the victim's heart. This is what he is trying to argue in the opening statement "Above all was the sense of hearing acute. I heard all things in the heaven and in the earth. I heard many things in hell. How, then, am I mad?"
Second, we can take it as nonsense since he is mad anyways. Someone who is crazy will obviously swear to the legitimacy of his claims and therefore the "acuteness of the senses" are as nonsensical as anything else he says due to the madness.

I think he genuinely feels he is sane and wants to make sure everyone else sees it too, and understands why his actions were totally justified.

You are so right Sara! Also, The Purloined Letter, The Facts in the Case of M. Valdemar ...

That is so interesting Cameron. I think you're right, that in his mind, it's his hearing the beating heart that is the whole problem. (Which seems typical for a mad person!)
And since you mentioned the beginning, I went back and looked. I'd forgotten that he starts by saying he's had a disease. Interesting.
I think Poe is very meticulous and every detail has meaning.
Kathleen wrote: "Cameron wrote: It is only after this sentence that we hear for the first time the beating of the victims heart. This therefore introduces the reader (listener?) to the topic of the narrators (procl..."
I agree that nothing is meaningless in Poe. Why is it the eye that bothers him? Is he afraid of being seen into? Does he fear that the Old Man's eye can see the things he is hiding inside, his madness, his lack of control?
I agree that nothing is meaningless in Poe. Why is it the eye that bothers him? Is he afraid of being seen into? Does he fear that the Old Man's eye can see the things he is hiding inside, his madness, his lack of control?
Bob wrote: "I just reread this for the third time this month. It still amazes me, simply terrific."
I had also read it several times before and think it is a hallmark of good literature that a re-read is never wasted. Poe wears well. I got this in a collection, so I am going to read the rest of the book, even though I have read most of the stories before.
I had also read it several times before and think it is a hallmark of good literature that a re-read is never wasted. Poe wears well. I got this in a collection, so I am going to read the rest of the book, even though I have read most of the stories before.

Leslie wrote: "This has always been one of my favorite Poe stories. I lived in Richmond, VA for years a short walk from his Richmond home and thought of this story so many times walking home along the cobblestone..."
Have been to both Richmond and Baltimore sites and think either one would stir the right emotions.
Have been to both Richmond and Baltimore sites and think either one would stir the right emotions.
This could be a stretch, but I was thinking about The Yellow Wall-Paper its another story told to us by the insane. Wall-Paper is not nearly as creepy, but it is another interesting insight into a mind that's a little off plumb. Just a thought.
Bob wrote: "This could be a stretch, but I was thinking about The Yellow Wall-Paper its another story told to us by the insane. Wall-Paper is not nearly as creepy, but it is another interesting i..."
On my TBR list. I didn't know it was told from an insanity pov. I'm even more anxious to read it now.
On my TBR list. I didn't know it was told from an insanity pov. I'm even more anxious to read it now.

http://youtu.be/wDLLHTdVSgU
Creepy......


I found myself reviewing my own morals when I finished this story. It made me look internally and ask myself why I wanted the protagonist to succeed at his morbid deed. What had the old man antagonist done to deserve what came to him? Why was I holding my breath, and willing on the protagonist to quash the evil he alone sees in his mind's eye? No doubt, I wanted the narrator/protagonist to succeed, but was he at all virtuous or warranted in his endeavor? I don't know the answer to this.
While I am not a huge fan of short stories, Poe is the master of this form of writing style in my opinion. The images and emotions he created, like those in The Tell Tale Heart, are some of the best I've ever read. I'm thankful I gave this story and this B&N classics collection a try, because it has allowed me to experience this writing style, which I otherwise probably wouldn't have tried.
This was a good choice for the monthly short, and I look forward to participating in others in the future!
Matt wrote: "I just finished The Tell Tale Heart and I enjoyed it immensely. While this was only 6 pages long, Poe created an intense, psychological thriller.
I found myself reviewing my own morals when I fin..."
Like Anne, I never felt any desire for him to succeed. I really felt on the outside looking in rather than involved with this character.
I found myself reviewing my own morals when I fin..."
Like Anne, I never felt any desire for him to succeed. I really felt on the outside looking in rather than involved with this character.

As a contrast, The Yellow Wallpaper that Bob mentioned above really drew me in, got under my skin, and freaked me out a bit!
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The Fall of the House of Usher: An Edgar Allan Poe Short Story (other topics)The Cask of Amontillado - an Edgar Allan Poe Short Story (other topics)
The Yellow Wall-Paper (other topics)
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