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message 1: by Marcelo (last edited Aug 13, 2015 08:20PM) (new) - added it

Marcelo (marcelomatos) | 37 comments Hi, people!

I would like to suggest a change in the cover picture of this book. The picture is correct, but it is too dark to be easily seen. I think a brighter one would be better.

The amazon website shows the kindle edition cover in the right color (white), but the paperback edition in pinky tones (I don't know why).

http://www.amazon.com/Moderna-Gram-ti...

Also, the number of pages is wrong. The book have 672 pages (not 671), plus the covers. The numbers goes to 671, but there is a last page on its back (without a number) with information regarding the book's printing (Stuff like type of font and paper used, company where it was printed an the names of the publisher's staff).

In fact, I think it is impossible to a book to have an odd number of pages since the last odd page will have the next even page on it's back. Anyway, the publisher website shows the book with 672 pages (http://www.ediouro.com.br/novo/livro/...), but in this site the cover is different. Part of it is gray.

Thanks!

edit: added a link to the amazon website.


message 2: by Empress (last edited Aug 14, 2015 10:33AM) (new)

Empress (the_empress) I brightened the cover but didn't replace with the Amazon one. Could have but I prefer this one as it actually looks like a cover.

In regards to page numbering. On what page does the text of the book starts?

Edit: ACE Added: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/2...


message 3: by Marcelo (new) - added it

Marcelo (marcelomatos) | 37 comments On The first page there is only the book's name.

The first numbered page is page 8, witch is the second page of the index / table of contents.

The pages before that (from 1 to 7) doesn't have numbers on them. Also, there are no "extra" pages. I mean if I count every page after the cover there are 7 pages without numbers until the page 8.


message 4: by Marcelo (new) - added it

Marcelo (marcelomatos) | 37 comments At the end of the book, a similar thing happens. The last numbered page is page 671 and on it's back is page 672, but without a number on it. After it comes the cover.


message 5: by Empress (new)

Empress (the_empress) Hi Marcelo,

I'm realizing the start pages don't make difference, but what I am not understanding is (and is most important in this case), is there text on page 672 and what is it? Is it part of the book, is it advertising?


message 6: by Marcelo (new) - added it

Marcelo (marcelomatos) | 37 comments Yes, there is text on page 672. I scanned and uploaded it to this place: http://tinypic.com/r/afk6kx/8 But it is in Portuguese.

The content of the page is some credits and technical details about this book edition like:
- Name of the publisher staff (copy-editors, I think)
Daniele Cajueiro
Shahira Mahmud
Janaína Senna
- Revisores (reviser/proofreaders)
Glória Braga Onelley
Mariana Elia
- Place where the book was printed and when
Rio de Janeiro, november 2011, printed in Edigráfica Company on behalf of Editora Nova Fronteira (the publisher).
- Font type and size used on the books text
Times New Roman, 11/12
- Type of paper used offset 75g/m² for the pages, and cartão (card) 250g/m² for the covers


message 7: by Empress (new)

Empress (the_empress) Thanks for the scan. Pages left at 671 as per Goodreads manual.
We don't consider copyright information part of the book text (which is what I was asking). We count pages differently than they are counted in a book:

https://www.goodreads.com/help/show/2...

The number of pages in a book is meant to include all content except for advertisements and preview chapters for other books. Included end material may include acknowledgments, afterwords, appendices, bibliographies, glossaries, indexes, notes, and suggested discussion questions.

Introductory material paged using roman numerals is not included in the total page count.

.....

Page numbers should match the page numbers as listed in the book. If a book begins on page 6, for example, do not subtract from the final page count to determine the “actual” number of pages - simply list the number on the last page with countable content.



message 8: by lethe (new)

lethe | 13662 comments But this sounds like the colophon, I think it should be counted?


message 9: by Empress (new)

Empress (the_empress) lethe wrote: "But this sounds like the colophon, I think it should be counted?"

I thought we skip them at the end in the same way we do when they are in the beginning.


message 10: by lethe (new)

lethe | 13662 comments Argh, why did GR have to make this so complicated and confusing instead of just (partly) adopting the international cataloguing rules (counting the last numbered page and be done with it).

Sometimes things like glossaries, bibliographies, etc. are at the front of the book, in the introductory pages in Roman numerals, and then they are not counted either, but when they are at the end they are counted. I always stick to "apart from preview chapters and advertisements, anything goes". :)


message 11: by Sahara (new)

Sahara Sanders (saharasanders) | 18 comments HI THERE,


PLEASE CAN SOMEONE HELP TO CHANGE THIS BOOK COVER:

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/2...


TO THIS SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT ONE:

https://www.pinterest.com/pin/3261591...


THANK YOU VERY MUCH


message 12: by Marcelo (last edited Aug 24, 2015 06:13AM) (new) - added it

Marcelo (marcelomatos) | 37 comments But doesn't the guidelines says:
"The number of pages in a book is meant to include ALL CONTENT except for advertisements and preview chapters for other books. Included end material may include acknowledgments, afterwords, appendices, bibliographies, glossaries, indexes, notes, and suggested discussion questions."

?
I think that the colophon (thank you very much for teaching me that word guys :D ) is not one of the exceptions, so it should be in the "all content" rule and the part about "Included end material" looks like examples and not an exhaustive list.

I don't know if it helps, but the publisher says the number of pages is 672. http://www.ediouro.com.br/novo/livro/...


message 13: by lethe (new)

lethe | 13662 comments I'm with you, Marcelo.

But in another thread a whole discussion is raging at the moment about this very issue: https://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/.... I was surprised to see that even some GR librarians interpret the rules to mean only the numbered pages should be counted. I thought it was pretty clear that that is not the case.

BTW, publishers tend to count the blank, unnumbered pages at the end of a book, so they are not a reliable source for page numbers.

(It may be an idea to add 'page count' to this topic title, seeing that it's not about covers anymore?)


message 14: by lethe (new)

lethe | 13662 comments Following the outcome of the discussion I linked to in comment #13, I changed the page count to 672.


message 15: by Marcelo (new) - added it

Marcelo (marcelomatos) | 37 comments I've changed the discussion title and started following the discussion you linked, lethe. Really interested in it's outcome.

Thank you all!


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