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message 1: by Michael (new)

Michael Sommers | 255 comments Book: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/1...

ISBN copied and pasted: 039309426X

My scan: https://d.gr-assets.com/photos/143946...

This would appear to be the cover from a later printing than the one in the database. Same design but different color.

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Book: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/2...

My scan: https://d.gr-assets.com/photos/143946...

This is a cover for a much earlier printing than the one in the database.

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Book: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/1...

My scan: https://d.gr-assets.com/photos/143946...

ISBN copied and pasted: 0070080194


message 2: by Z-squared (last edited Aug 13, 2015 11:46AM) (new)

Z-squared | 8580 comments Re the first book, I created an ACE here:

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/2...

Can you confirm the rest of the edition info for your copy? I.e., publisher, publication date, format, page numbers?

Re the second book, please confirm the ISBN (if it has one) and additional publication info for that copy. So far, all I can add is a blank edition with your cover here:

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/2...

Re the third book, same spiel as book one:

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/2...


message 3: by Michael (new)

Michael Sommers | 255 comments Z-squared wrote: "Re the first book, I created an ACE here:

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/2...

Can you confirm the rest of the edition info for your copy? I.e., publisher, pub..."


Yes, it's the same publisher, etc. It's the same cover, too, just in blue instead of orange. Note that the orange cover says "27th printing" in the lower right, while the blue one says "37th printing".

Re the second book, please confirm the ISBN (if it has one) and additional publication info for that copy. So far, all I can add is a blank edition with your cover here:

It has an SBN, not an ISBN, but it agrees with the one for the other edition: 070602166. Copyright date 1971, same publisher, 407 pages (plus some unnumbered front matter).

Re the third book, same spiel as book one:

Yes, it's all the same, including the ISBN.


message 4: by Z-squared (new)

Z-squared | 8580 comments Re the first book, I fixed it, although I doubt there were 37 printings in 1984. Although maybe it really was THAT popular...

Re the second book, can you give me the SBN for the second book anyway? It's policy to convert SBNs to ISBN for Goodreads.

As far as dates go, now that I'm looking at the edition already here on GR with ISBN 070602166, there's no way that cover is from 1971. Please keep in mind, Goodreads records have TWO publication dates -- the original publication of the work (the date the first edition was printed) and the publication date of the specific editions. Books may be reprinted with new covers while keeping old ISBNs (or SBNs), but if they have a new cover, we create a new edition. The publication date of that edition is set to whenever the reprint was released, if it's known. I have corrected the record for ISBN 070602166 to be 1999 (found that info elsewhere).

The cover from your book is old enough, it might be from 1971, although the design looks more early 80s to me. If you look at the copyright page, do you see any later dates?

I found a listing on amazon that has your cover, although not as good a picture, and it lists a pub date of 1980: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Problems-Adva...

Fixed the 3rd.


message 5: by Michael (new)

Michael Sommers | 255 comments Z-squared wrote: "Re the first book, I fixed it, although I doubt there were 37 printings in 1984. Although maybe it really was THAT popular... "

Not 37 printings IN 1984, but 37 printings since original publication. And yes, the book is a classic.

Re the second book, can you give me the SBN for the second book anyway? It's policy to convert SBNs to ISBN for Goodreads.

As far as dates go, now that I'm looking at the edition already here on GR with ISBN 070602166, …


I did give you the SBN, and you just repeated it. Note that there are 9 digits there, not 10.

The cover from your book is old enough, it might be from 1971, although the design looks more early 80s to me. If you look at the copyright page, do you see any later dates?

I bought the book new in the mid-80s. It has no other dates in it. I don't remember what Schaum's books looked like in the 70s.

Books may be reprinted with new covers while keeping old ISBNs (or SBNs), but if they have a new cover, we create a new edition.

That's bad terminology, since 'edition' already has a specific meaning in the book trade, and it isn't the same as 'printing'.


message 6: by Z-squared (new)

Z-squared | 8580 comments Michael wrote: "Not 37 printings IN 1984, but 37 printings since original publication. And yes, the book is a classic."

Hence my confusion. Since you don't know what year this printing/edition was released, I have removed the year from it. I'll repeat, each record on Goodreads has TWO dates. The 'publication date' is the date the printing/edition was released. If it's a 37th printing made years after the original AND it has a cover that is different from the original BUT it has the same ISBN, then on Goodreads we create a new edition.

Michael wrote: "I did give you the SBN, and you just repeated it. Note that there are 9 digits there, not 10."

Thank you, I did not notice it was 9 digits. That makes its ISBN 0070602166. I have noted the book as being an alternate-cover edition with that ISBN, per Goodreads policy for SBNs.

Michael wrote: "That's bad terminology, since 'edition' already has a specific meaning in the book trade, and it isn't the same as 'printing'."

Yes, I mean edition, because while I'm aware that 'edition' has a particular meaning in the book trade, especially with respect to textbooks, on Goodreads, 'edition' has a distinct meaning. Unfortunately, this can lead to some confusion, but on Goodreads, it is a record of a work that is somehow unique from all other records -- it has a different ISBN, cover, and/or content. Note that merely being a new printing is not sufficient to be a Goodreads edition. The cover, content, or ISBN must also be different. Since your 37th printing of How to Lie With Statistics has a different cover, it warrants a new edition on Goodreads. Because that edition has the same ISBN as the original printing, we call it an alternate-cover edition on Goodreads. Because you don't know the year, I will leave the publication year blank.

Note that the ORIGINAL publication date, the date the first printing/edition/whatever was released, stays the same on all GR editions.

For Schaum's Advanced Mathematics, your edition is likely from 1980. For a contrast, here is a 1970s edition cover:



Because that cover image is from an unapproved source, I can't create a record of it on Goodreads. But I include it here so you can see what I mean about your edition. Note the different font.


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