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i hate SOME evangelical christians

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message 1: by Joshua (new)

Joshua probably most.
i hate to sound like I hate somebody because of their religion,
when I really don't. If you have seen the movie Jesus Camp you'll know which ones it is that I hate.
The crazy ones, that brainwash their kids to "fight" for Jesus.


message 2: by Jillian (new)

Jillian (mother_of_dinosaurs) I hate people who force their religion down everyone's throat. Parents who don't allow their children to be open minded and to think for themselves.


message 3: by Joshua (new)

Joshua exactly. Like my mom's catholic, and she tried to raise me catholic but once i was old enough to make my own choices she let me express my beliefs instead of just doing whatever she does, which is the best way to do it I think.


message 4: by Jillian (new)

Jillian (mother_of_dinosaurs) I too was raised catholic but was never allowed to make my own choice as far as religion. Shit I'm 32 and she is still trying to make me go to church because she sacrificed for me and I owe it to her. WTF?? You'd think she'd be happy that she has a daughter who can think for herself.


message 5: by Joshua (new)

Joshua i also hate "Christian-Republic liberal hater"


message 6: by Joshua (new)

Joshua indeed.


message 7: by Cindy (new)

Cindy (wanna_read_all_the_books) Do you think I'll go to hell for laughing at "let me place my finger in your holy holes."?

I'm glad I am not the only person who hates "CRlh".


Servius  Heiner Giving religion a bad name. Honestly you’re too over the top to be real. Which makes your jest all the more offensive . I myself am not religious but I still respect that a mass majority of this planet is. I think its hookie, but I’m not going to whip up some cynical satire to rub it in there face.


message 9: by Joshua (new)

Joshua obviously everyone wants to feel that there life isn't pointless,
and that there here for a reason, and i suppose thats why religion came about. But shoving beliefs down everyones throat, and wanting to kill people for not agreeing with words written on papyrus 2000 years ago is just ridiculous.


Servius  Heiner I agree...


message 11: by Joshua (new)

Joshua well then nick could be a phony, and i think nick is and okay guy.


message 12: by Joshua (new)

Joshua i still hate evangelical christians


Servius  Heiner You know, I intended to put a picture up, but I always forget when I am home... And when I am home I turn into jo-jo the man that doesn’t rise till 3 p.m., so it wouldn't be anything spectacular, so I said eh, who needs a picture?


message 14: by Jillian (last edited Feb 17, 2008 10:51AM) (new)

Jillian (mother_of_dinosaurs) You don't need one. We know you are a real person Nick :)


message 15: by Joshua (new)

Joshua see we know nick is person that's here for a good reason,
his avg. rating is 3.77, not a perfect 5.
and he has read books on many subjects, not just christian conspiracy books.


message 16: by Joshua (new)

Joshua yeah pandora, like the one with the box.


message 17: by Jillian (new)

Jillian (mother_of_dinosaurs) Exactly Josh!!

I spent many hours at the public library when I was a kid reading about Greek and Roman gods/goddesses. Myths and legends.


message 18: by Joshua (new)

Joshua ...I've read Homers the Odyssey
That's just about the limit of my knowledge of greek mythology.
ha.


message 19: by Jillian (last edited Feb 17, 2008 11:14AM) (new)

Jillian (mother_of_dinosaurs) Calypso.......she is one of my favorites :)

There were these two books from my library I always checked out to read during summer vacation. I think they were just collections of different myths and legends. But I would sit and read them for hours.

I also spent hours reading about kings, queens, Civil War, Lincoln, .......well history in general fascinates me.

True crime, gangsters from the 30's, wild west outlaws. The mafia.

My two parrots are named after criminals :)


message 20: by Joshua (new)

Joshua I love reading about the mafia,
true crime books.
The Godfather was good,
but mostly i only like non-fiction mob-books.
But i have a tendency to go to Borders and buy a couple mafia books, then forget about them and not read them.
I have 3 i still need to read.

I love mob movies too, Goodfellas, Casino, Donnie Brasco, I've probably seen them all by now.


message 21: by Joshua (new)

Joshua Plus i've always wanted an exotic bird.


message 22: by Jillian (last edited Feb 17, 2008 11:28AM) (new)

Jillian (mother_of_dinosaurs) I love watching biographies and reading about mobsters. But only before the 1960's. Like Al Capone, Lucky Luciano (spelled wrong) etc. I think the mafia fascinates me because I like the idea of respect and honor.

I love Goodfellas and Casino. Awesome movies!

I also enjoy reading about John Dillinger, Baby Face Nelson, Bonnie & Clyde. The criminals of the 20 and 30's.

Old West....Jesse James is my favorite. He is so fascinating to read about.

I have two parrots. They are conures.

Morgan (he's my picture) is named after Sir Henry Morgan

Samuel is named after Sam Bass. I wanted to name him Jesse but we liked the name Sam better. But when I get my dog someday I'm naming him Jesse after Jesse James.




message 23: by Sarah (new)

Sarah (songgirl7) Don't feed the troll.

But yes, I hate it that someone is either making fun of religion with their over-the-top rants, or else is in earnest and is giving a very bad name to Christians. You can catch more flies with honey than with vinegar.

But the evengelical thing is something misunderstood by many people. The thing is, Jesus did say to go into every nation and preach the Gospel. He also said that He alone is the way to Heaven and salvation and, I think, if we care about people such as friends and family we want to share our faith with them. But there's a really fine line between sharing your faith and shoving it down someone's throat. And it's a line that should not be crossed.

Another thing Jesus said was to "let your light shine before men, that they might see your good works and glorify your Father in Heaven." Meaning actions speak louder than words. Especially inflammatory words like "heathens" etc.


message 24: by Joshua (new)

Joshua When i first started reading about the mafia it was all Lucky, and Bugsy Seigel, Murder inc., all that but then i started like going through the 20th century into vegas and everything. I have a book about Joey Massino who was a big mobster in the 90's and he wanted to be old school, with the respect and honor, and the code of omerta, but it was all gone to shit and he couldn't patch it up, It's a great book with actual excerpts from his trial. I recieved the latest issue of "The Economist" yesterday, and there was actually a article about the Gambino family, I guess they arrested a head honcho.


message 25: by RandomAnthony (last edited Feb 17, 2008 11:47AM) (new)

RandomAnthony Pandora, was one of the myth books you mentioned "D'Aularies's Book of Greek Myths"? I love that book, still love it...it's a major reason I became a reader.


http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/79...


message 26: by Jillian (new)

Jillian (mother_of_dinosaurs) I think that was one of the books.

OH I also loved Fairy Tales. My favorite fairy tales are ones that will probably never be made into Disney movies. Well except the first one but the other two I doubt.

Rapunzel
The Twelve Brothers
Jorinda and Joringel

I hate how fairy tales are banned from schools for being too violent. And video games aren't violent? Oh and I hate how Bugs Bunny is no longer on TV. I can complain about that for hours.


message 27: by Jillian (new)

Jillian (mother_of_dinosaurs) Yeah I saw about those arrests on TV. Some FBI agent was able to take them down.


message 28: by Cindy (last edited Feb 17, 2008 11:57AM) (new)

Cindy (wanna_read_all_the_books) I used to check out books on mythology every summer when I was a kid. I loved that stuff. I'm also into the true crime and the Mafia fascinates me. And, I love fairy tales too.

Hmm, I can't think of anything to hate about this now...


message 29: by Jillian (new)

Jillian (mother_of_dinosaurs) I know what you can hate about it. People who think fairy tales should be banned because they are too violent. I brought back the hate!


message 30: by Cindy (new)

Cindy (wanna_read_all_the_books) I hate people who ban any books for any reason. But yes, people who want to ban fairy tales due to violence can bite my big toe.


message 31: by Jillian (last edited Feb 17, 2008 01:39PM) (new)

Jillian (mother_of_dinosaurs) To Rain. Not even worth the time it would take to make a comment.
But I am glad to see my tax dollars are well spent and that kids are still being taught spelling, punctuation and proper sentence structure.

So back to the discussion instead of being negative.

I don't believe in banning books. There is nothing wrong with children reading fairy tales. They are exposed to more violence every day playing video games or just surfing the internet.


Servius  Heiner I slipped right through the Chicago public school system, I have the grammar of a brain dead 3 year old.


message 33: by Jillian (new)

Jillian (mother_of_dinosaurs) I'm not always the best speller myself. I have a few words that for the life of me get me every single time.


message 34: by [deleted user] (new)

ok-you guys do know that lib hatr is just pullin your leg right?
anyway i was going to say-i'll pray for you
nick nick put a picture uuuppp
i judge on appearances
then books
i hate that evangelical christians have messed it up so badly that people won't read the bible because the ec's have given jesus such a bad name
heal them
raised catholic
tried to read the bible a couple of times
have been so horrified by ec's behavior stayed away from religion
read the bible-beleive-still stay away from religion and ec's


message 35: by smetchie (new)

smetchie | 5731 comments Behemoth is a dinosaur, a dinosaur is he!


message 36: by [deleted user] (new)

aren't we all angry teenagers


message 37: by Joshua (new)

Joshua why ignore me?!


message 38: by [deleted user] (new)

Fill our holy holes?

Come on.


message 39: by Amanda (new)

Amanda (randymandy) I also hate the ECs. In fact, they evoke the most passionate hate I have ever hated. I wish they would stop sending me forwards about how if I bash Jesus, I'll die an untimely death just like John Lennon. Why don't they shut the hell up?


message 40: by Jenn (new)

Jenn Jesus Camp was such a sad documentary, another sad and sick one is Fall From Grace. It's about the cult of Fred Phelps and his family aka followers. It's sad that people really believe all the propaganda they try and spread about Jesus being a vengeful God of fire that is going to cast everyone that doesn't listen to *fill in the "Christian"* to Hell. It's also sad watching those kids being brainwashed into living in fear until they join the real world and see things aren't like that at all. Of course some of them just continue the cult.

My favorite part of the film (Jesus Camp)was watching Rev. Ted Haggard up on his pulpit ranting and raving. This of course was all filmed before he was busted with a gay hooker and admitting to smoking meth. What an idiot.


message 41: by Jillian (new)

Jillian (mother_of_dinosaurs) I personally think Fred Phelps is one of the most evil people on earth.


message 42: by Jenn (new)

Jenn I would agree that currently he is among the group of top five. How can anyone be that twisted? He truly is a cult leader. I'm sure his days are limited, and I can only imagine how big the picket line is going to be for his funeral. Fair is fair in that instance.


message 43: by Amanda (new)

Amanda (randymandy) Do you guys think there WILL be a picket line at his funeral? Did anyone protest at Jerry Falwell's? I don't remember. I do, however, remember listening to talk radio for hours that day while thousands of people called in to talk about how happy they were that this asshole was dead and gone forever. It was morbidly awesome!!!

Let me just say, protesting at any funeral is kind of a bitch-ass thing to do. Let's picket their lives instead of their deaths.



message 44: by lionlady (new)

lionlady I'm with you on this one! I got roped into the whole "born again" scene in college. It took 22 yrs. a divorce and 3 kids later to wake up and realize how abusive that whole scene is. My kids actually figured it out before I did! Oh, I'm new here. Hope its okay to just jump right in.


message 45: by lionlady (new)

lionlady The way I experienced it,back in the day, is born agains have nothing better to do with their lives than seek out new things to hate. Somehow I don't think God had in mind book burning and witch hunts when He/She set up his/her system. Funny, born agains claim their god is the best, in control, etc. but they don't even have the faith to love instead of judge. All they do is go around "protecting" their version of family, life, etc.. They try to control their fears by supressing others. Must be they don't think their god is powerful enough to stand up for himself or "protect" them. Fear, insecurity and arrogance - that's what being born again is all about. Being born again has nothing to do w/ God or faith or love. They claim God, faith and love as a smoke screen for fear and the need to control those fears. They are arrogant because they claim only they have the correct version of god. I wonder what the real God would say to those who claim to know His/Her mind and will so completely?
Born agains need to find something better to do w/ their lives than to look for people to hate and exclude from their little club. When one of them hangs on a cross for me, let me know. Until then ......
Born Okay the First Time
Yes, I probably have issues


message 46: by Jenn (new)

Jenn Amanda- I certainly hope there will be picketing at his funeral. Bitch ass as it may be, sometimes people only understand that type of action. When I read about the people that come in to protect from Phelp's picketing I am proud of them, it's sick that they have to do it in the first place however.

Haggard said in the documentary from his pulpit "we don't have to debate about what we should think about homosexual activity. It’s written in the Bible." As a leader in the NAE he helped with a document saying the NAE has stated that "homosexual activity, like adulterous relationships, is clearly con­demned in the Scriptures." He opposes same-sex marriage, yet has suggested that civil unions for same-sex partners be legal. He is a hypocrite, a liar, and a fake money hungry idiot. Typical of most arena church leaders and televangelists.


message 47: by Jenn (new)

Jenn What I have found as the commonality among people that have such a closed mind is fear. Fear that this vengeful Lord they believe in is going to cast them to Hell, fear that unless they follow certain leaders they will have to think for themselves. If they could ever just uncloud their minds for a moment and understand how unChristian it is to judge others in the way they are, and that there is clearly an agenda with their so called "leaders" (cash money if you aren't up to speed), then they might be able to get out from the hole they are in and stop being lambs just waiting to be led. They blame liberals for everything, but it's funny that when push comes to shove these "Christian Republicans" turn on a dime. An example- Pat Robertson suddenly turned to support Giuliani (who by the way is an abortion supporter, something Robertson claims is evil). To an extent how can these same people support Bush when he increased abortion funding by giving more funds to family planning? He also signed the Domestic Partnership Bill which grants federal benefits to same sex couples, and has appointed many open homosexuals to public office and then pays for their partners to travel with them with our tax money. Let's not even mention the lies he has told and the real reasons we are at war. Somehow these little indiscretions can be overlooked, which is almost sociopathic behavior in my opinion.


message 48: by lionlady (new)

lionlady Jenn - so true! Also, I think they have completely blocked out of their minds that god loves and cherishes the very people they hate and want to wipe off the face of the earth. I hate all they stand for and believe in, but I find it hard to actually hate them. Their own fears, insecurities and self hatred must be hell enough.


message 49: by Jillian (new)

Jillian (mother_of_dinosaurs) Before people run into conversations and attack people perhaps they should really know and understand what the conversation is about. :) But a dictionary is a good place to start.

I'm kind of torn in regards to picketing his funeral. I wouldn't want people to waste their time and give him any attention. You know the press will be all over that. If anything the bike club who attends soldiers funerals to drown out their lunatic rants could go. I'm sure that would have him rolling in his grave.

He used to be on TV a lot in the 90's spewing his hatred. What I always found humorous is how he took things from the bible and twisted the meaning to fit his objectives and bigotry. But of course that is what all cult leaders do.

Having had brothers and a father who was in the military I just find it disgusting when they picket the funerals for our fallen soldiers/marines/sailors. My heart goes out to those families. They are already going through one of the most painful experiences in their life and then these morons show up and bring more misery. How cold and heartless can people be.

I have a wonderful idea. We should send him and his followers to Iraq. That would be a wonderful place for them. :)


message 50: by Xysea (new)

Xysea  (xysea) I hate intolerance, and if you can't get the irony in that statement, then I hate you, too! :P

lol

I hate haters and the hating haters who hate them!


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