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I feel like I am the only one who likes the ending.(SPOILER!!!)
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Dec 29, 2013 08:33AM
Now, don't get me wrong. I love Tris and I definitely was crying my eyes out when she died. But I also think it was a very smart decision of Veronica Roth because no one kills off the main character, and it was incredibly brave. Plus you couldn't see it coming. I didn't believe it until Tobias saw her body. This is one of my favorite series and will be for a very long time, but did anyone else like the ending of this book?
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I loved the ending of the book for all the same reasons you said.
I'm glad you liked the ending, but I respectfully disagree with your reasons. There are tons of books where the main character dies. (view spoiler) And that's just a few off the top of my head. It is not new at all.Personally I thought it was very obvious what was coming. I don't see how you couldn't see it coming.
I think killing Tris would have been a good move if she had set it up better. As it is, her death makes no sense. It felt like a cheap move to get people worked up.
I loved the ending - it was the only thing that redeemed the book for me (because I hated the rest of it). Something about the third and final book in dystopian YA books....(felt the same way about Mockingjay)
Jordan wrote: "Now, don't get me wrong. I love Tris and I definitely was crying my eyes out when she died. But I also think it was a very smart decision of Veronica Roth because no one kills off the main characte..."Nope hated it. Not only for the incredibly stupid and unnecessary death of Tris but the book was not well written. Veronica seemed very disconnected with her characters very OOC. She should not have written about things she had no idea about like the whole genetics plot what a joke.
Finally! People who appreciate the ending!! I honestly don't understand why everyone hates the ending because I think it was the best ending I could ever ask for and Allegiant may actually be my favourite out of the series (or maybe second favourite after Divergent)I could not think of a better ending. Despite my sobbing after Tris' death, looking back at what has happened not only in Allegiant, but the whole trilogy, letting Tris live would not have felt right and it just would not be true to her character. I can not imagine Tris letting Caleb die when she really believes that she could survive. The ending really made Tris' character 'whole'. By the end, she was sure of who she is and she finally understood the real meaning of self-sacrifice, something she struggled with in the past two books. I think when deciding about the ending, a lot of people base their opinion on how sad they were about her death and not about how well planned the plot was (because her death was not something Veronica Roth could come up with last minute and pull off like she did). There really is no better ending, if you really think about it.
Everyone is also disappointed with the rest of the book because the lack of action but I think the lack of action was understandable. Tris and Tobias going into action straight away when they have just been introduced to a new world that they barely know anything about would be illogical and unnecessary. And I actually liked just knowing about what is outside Chicago because usually, dystopian authors are so vague with how the world came to be, but Veronica wasn't. The character developments in Allegiant was also amazing (especially Peter, oh god Peter, he made me so sad when he took the serum because we got an insight to how he feels about being the way he is and that made him so three-dimensional, in my opinion).I am not disappointed with Allegiant at all. Maybe I'm biased and is just too attached to the series to say bad things about it, but I honestly think Allegiant was an amazing last instalment. Veronica Roth did not get lazy, unlike other authors. She didn't run out of ideas and Allegiant certainly did not disappoint. Also, there are worse last instalments out there that were a lot more dull and disappointing (looking at you Mockingjay)
I loved the ending too for same reasons of the first post!!
I really liked the ending as well. I believe that killing one of the main characters was sort of necessary because it makes the story more realistic. I think given the choice between killing of Tobias or Tris, killing Tris was the smart choice because Tobias's death would have been more predictable, given that Tris had been the main narrator in the series.
Jordan wrote: "Now, don't get me wrong. I love Tris and I definitely was crying my eyes out when she died. But I also think it was a very smart decision of Veronica Roth because no one kills off the main characte..."I agree with everything you are saying, I just don't believe that the way she was killed was very believable. Also killing off the character really ends the story and doesn't allow for ANY hope of another story. Even though I did like this, I was not a fan of switching perspectives throughout the entire story.
You are not alone. =) I enjoyed the series from beginning to end. I think it is a good thing that the Trilogy really felt like it had an ending.Will be interesting to see if Four gets a spin off... or if the author with venture into something different.
Jordan wrote: "Now, don't get me wrong. I love Tris and I definitely was crying my eyes out when she died. But I also think it was a very smart decision of Veronica Roth because no one kills off the main characte..."We'll you could kind of see it coming when they start the plan with breaking into the volt and the poison serum. It kind of told you she'll die.
When she just died, I was so furious with Veronica Roth and so so sad but when, I thought about it a little later, I thought that she did make the right decision... Tris dies a "Dawntless3 way and it fits with her character. She was obviously going to do something aboutCaled going. I knew that she wouldnt let him go.But i stil agree with what you said, it is still a tradgedy. What made it even sadder is that she and Uriah died at the same moment, and honestly I was sad for both.
I feel really bad for Tobias afterwards and I do not like the fact that he and Evelyn are friends two years after. I would think that Veronica wanted to make Tris's death spectacular and brave and she managed it... We can't mourn what is lost.
When I was spoiled the ending by a friend before reading it, I really hated the idea. Then I decided to read it.I have spent money for it anyway.And as for your question... No, you are not alone. No matter how devastating Tris's death for me, I liked the ending and appreciate that Ms Roth for that
I don't mind the ending... I think its more realistic than HEA
I was more realistic and harsh-more like a real ending in a post-apocalypic dystopian future. I agree. It was bold-depressing-but brave. Tris died for all the right reasons. As sad as it was, her characters spirit lives inside me.
I liked the ending. Although it was ultra sad and I couldn't get over her death for a week, - no joke I couldn't sleep - I think it was the right thing to do. I think it did a fantastic job of showing the harsh reality of her world. I also liked how it wasn't a happy ending because all books seem to end like that these days. It made it more realistic and that no world is perfect and that everything has its flaws.
Jordan wrote: "Now, don't get me wrong. I love Tris and I definitely was crying my eyes out when she died. But I also think it was a very smart decision of Veronica Roth because no one kills off the main characte..."I agree with you. After reading what Veronica Roth had to say about the ending, I grew a new respect for her and the story altogether.
The ending was fine...it was the plot of the story, the "revelations" about the past and the disconnect I felt throughout the book...I'm honestly glad Tris is gone so no further books can be written....
I don't hate Veronica Roth for what she did to Tris (although it IS only in words). I've only read one other series where the main character died (Warrior Cats by Erin Hunter), but I liked how she surprised us and everything. It was a great series!!!!
Not to be a party crasher (but a fan) but Divergent is stirring up some controversy. There is a big cover up about how Divergent is being used as propaganda to resurrect Nazi way of thinking. The Factions are the dominant superior race, while the inferior factionless are servitude scum of the earth, living in ghetto poverty. This was the same scenario between the Jews and Nazis. This one investigative journalist/author obtained classified secrets about the Divergent author intentions, pertaining to how the book is groundwork for a modern evolution of Charles Darwin, “survival of the fittest”. The strongest species outlast the weaker ones. The names of the factions represent their belief, which forces you to choose or become extinct. The color of clothes for each faction is their flag, being their pledge of allegiance to that faction. Even Divergent fans are being encouraged to join a faction and outcast outsiders. The critique review writer is fair but firm and doesn’t take sides in judging Divergent because it shows the followers a behind the scenes look into the psychological mind of author Veronica Roth way of thinking and where her ideology evolved from in order to create a fascinating novel. More info on the book “Divergent: Factions Representations & Symbol Meanings” can be found @ http://www.amazon.com/Divergent-Facti...
Patricia wrote: "Everyone is also disappointed with the rest of the book because the lack of action but I think the lack of action was understandable. Tris and Tobias going into action straight away when they have ..."I completely agree with everything you said. And I don't think you are biased, because there are some people who love the series and hate this book. Awesome book, in my opinion.
Katelyn wrote: "Jordan wrote: "Now, don't get me wrong. I love Tris and I definitely was crying my eyes out when she died. But I also think it was a very smart decision of Veronica Roth because no one kills off th..."Not really because Caleb was going to go in there, and Tris could survive the poison serum, and she did, that's not how she died. She died because of stupid David's gun. I don't know, I didn't see it coming.
I am okay with books not having perfect endings and I am okay that Tris died. She died saving her brother because he would never have made it as far as her but ultimately died for equality and justice. I believed that she died for a purpose and I respect it entirely. I think I already saw it coming though. What was so irritating for me were the moments leading up to her death. Tobias and her relationship quickly became so perfect with butterflies and rainbows that I knew something bad was going to happen. Maybe I am being really negative but I feel like the rapid change in dynamic between them made me feel like a happy ending was impossible. I think I am mixed about the ending but I wasn't throwing my kindle in anger either.
I'm fine with the ending. I just couldn't get over it for about three days and I think it was essential to the book plot. The only thing I seem to have not liked was the fact that we never really got to see what happened to Four. Did he move on and fall in love with someone? Or did he never find someone? That's the only thing that bothers me at some times. We will probably never know what happened to him.
Neha (Athena) (Bast) (Queen Elinor) wrote: "I loved the ending too for same reasons of the first post!!"Diddo! I feel that very few people appreciate the ending... it was wonderfully written and it summed everything up nicely. Tris did what she set out to do and she finally discovered who she was and what it meant to be truly selfless. That in itself is beautiful.
Tris's death made the dystopian aspect so much more realistic. Yes, we all wanted to see a happy ending where Tris ends up with Four and so on, but really, how often do sappy, happy endings happen like that? Veronica did an amazingly brave thing by killing off Tris, and i respect her for it.
Jordan wrote: "Katelyn wrote: "Jordan wrote: "Now, don't get me wrong. I love Tris and I definitely was crying my eyes out when she died. But I also think it was a very smart decision of Veronica Roth because no ..."Ya but she kept going that she wanted to go and it became more clear of her dieing when she went in there. But I still cried
I also think that the author killing off her main character was brave but Tris' death didn't do anything for her character. Tris has been saving people and trying to save society the whole book. This was a chance for Veronica Roth to give Caleb some sort of redeeming quality. Caleb didn't grow at all throughout the series and this was her chance for him to become something more and instead Tris sacrificed herself like she's been doing the whole series. I still love this series it was entertaining and interesting! But the third book was definitely my least favorite, and not just because of Tris' death.
Brooke wrote: "I also think that the author killing off her main character was brave but Tris' death didn't do anything for her character. Tris has been saving people and trying to save society the whole book. Th..."Eh, I kind of agree on some level. I don't think it helped Tris's character grow, exactly, I just think that that was who she was and it would be almost wrong if she didn't save Caleb. I think it was good Caleb didn't sacrifice himself, because he now knows that even though he betrayed them, Tris still loves him and she wants to safe his life.
I agree. FourTris is in my top three OTPs of all time (with Destiel and TenRose). I think the ending did justice to the characters. Before reading, I would have rattled off a thousand other endings I would be okay with but when I read it (after processed it and finished crying of course) it felt...right. It was a satisfying end to one of my favorite series so I am happy.
I loved the ending but I still didn't love Allegiant like I did with Divergent. I didn't any strong feelings for this book one way or another.
I predicted the ending the second I knew Tobias had a POV.
Sierra wrote: "I predicted the ending the second I knew Tobias had a POV."Me too. I knew one of them was going to die... just not which one. I honestly thought it would be Four.
The double PoV kind of gave it away for me :/
It wasn't the ending the bothered me, it was the plot holes and the fact that the book felt incomplete, almost like she either needed more time to write it or she needed to make it 4 books instead of three. I feel like if the over all book was written better I would have liked it more.
Against my better judgment i finish this series. The story is just a weak story but i stuck with it because i actually felt the author had good character development although the factions, the figting among them, finding out the experiments etc were just an uninteresting dystopian story. i have no problem with the killing of a main character(s) if the story or action dictates this to happen(that is why i love tales of the otori series because she wasnt afraid to kill who needed to be killed) Tris was written has a selfless character so saving her brother was something i believe her character would have done and not surviving that situation seems most likely she was human.
Are you okay with killing off the main character if the story or action dictates this to happen when the character herself goes out of her way to create the circumstances of the action for no reason other than to contrive her own death?
People always say, "Don't read Allegiant, the ending is HORRIBLE!" and that's only partially true. It's not that the ending was horrible, it was just horribly deppressing. I'm not going to lie, I sobbed myself to sleep and hated the author for about a week or two. However, I always thought that the ending itself was good. If it was an unrealistic ending, we would have all loved it. Tris could have lived through everything or perhaps let Caleb die, and I mean Uriah could have even lived. The problem with all of the deaths was that they were all so close to closure in the world and were almost ready to live happy lives (well, as happy it would have gotten), and then they died. (No Fourtris babies D:). But, Veronica Roth said that she died because she was finally READY to die. In Insurgent, Tris announced that she wasn't finished yet. In Allegiant, her mother was telling her that she was finished. It was not as if she died before they saved everyone. That would have been a terrible ending. It honestly think that the ending was brilliant.
Kendall wrote: "People always say, "Don't read Allegiant, the ending is HORRIBLE!" and that's only partially true. It's not that the ending was horrible, it was just horribly deppressing. I'm not going to lie, I s..."That is a really good point. I never made the connection between Insurgent and Allegiant before. Wow that makes me feel dumb, but I think we all knew deep down that if Tris lived through this it would be more than a miracle. Being realistic is something rare I see in books like these.
The idea that she died because she figured out what sacrifice really meant and, since that was the reason for her journey, she no longer needed to go on anymore - that is utterly, unfathomably preposterous and frighteningly disturbing. Her mother "appearing" and telling her she was done now, and that she was proud of her... I read about when a fan asked Veronica why Tris died, and Veronica told this person that she died for her parents. I relayed this to a friend, who replied, "Veronica Roth must not have children." What kind of idiot would actually think this is something that would honor your parents? Tris's parents died in order for her to live. They weren't trying to teach her a lesson with their actions. They weren't demonstrating what it meant to be selfless. They didn't do what they did because they were Abnegation. They did it because they were parents. They did what any parent worth half their salt would do - give your life so your child can have theirs. The way to honor a sacrifice like that is to live, because that is what they died to do - not to show you what being selfless means. For Tris to focus her energies on trying to emulate the ideals that she seems to think are the reason her parents did what they did is just spitting in their faces.The fact that she died even after she saved everyone is one of the main 400 reasons why the ending was terrible. She didn't need to die in order to do what they needed to do. The exact same thing would have happened even if she hadn't been shot while she was putting in the code to set off the memory serum. The story didn't need her to die.
She literally only dies just to prove a point to herself. That's not organic - people don't die that way unless they are committing suicide. That is forced and arbitrary.
Now I loove Tris and i hate the ending but it was appropriate for the series cause in Illegent she says "Im not done yet!" then in Allegiant she says "Am I done yet?".... Now dont get me wrong i cried my eyes out all night and all the next day cause i felt bad for Tobias.... but i love the ending beacause she proved that she loved everyone so much she would risk her life to save everyone... even though it ment leaving Tobias.... No no no yea i hate the ending so much.. i think it shouldve been she still goes instead of caleb but she shouldve took a gun and when she survived the death serume and she saw david she shoulve just shot him square on and walked into the lobby with a smile and hugs everyone then when tobias asks wheres tris Christina should say "she went instead of caleb... she survived the death serum and got shot in the arm by david, but shes okay shes in the med. room.... Tobias the plan worked!" then tobias goes and finds tris and it happily ever after the end... jk tris takes him on a zip line at the end :)........ i wish it was like that instead of the complete oppisite.....
I find absolutely no closure from this ending. I finished the book last night at 4 a.m, and have not stopped crying. Im horribly depressed and confused; I don't think tris needed to die to finish the trilogy, and the fact that she (and Uriah!) don't get to grow up in the world that they 'saved' is just so darn dark. I am utterly distraught about Four, and nearly had a heart attack when he was about to drink the memory serum; thank god veronica roth didn't do that to us... I probably would've stormed her house to be perfectly honest... but im so upset, and please, if anyone has anything to offer to give me closure, I would really appreciate it... I loved divergent and insurgent, but this one really hurt. so far, im not loving the end to this previously wonderful series...
Hi Caraline,I feel your pain, and it makes me mad that Veronica really didn't think this would affect her fans this way. She really misjudged her audience. This was not a poignant death that could make you cry emotional but satisfied tears - this just makes you feel like someone shot YOU. Bad form.
Anyway, I have found much solace in fan fiction. There are some great alternate endings - and just plain alternate stories - out there. Maybe you'll find one to make you feel better and provide better closure than this mess of a book never did.
Lauren wrote: "Hi Caraline,I feel your pain, and it makes me mad that Veronica really didn't think this would affect her fans this way. She really misjudged her audience. This was not a poignant death that coul..."
Lauren,
thank you for this. im so sorry you feel as awful as I do, but im glad that im not alone. I completely agree- she totally misjudged us.
I will definitely look into the fan-fictions- hopefully they help.
xxoo
I read the book the day it was released and I felt like garbage for days afterward - couldn't sleep right, tearing up at random moments during the day, etc. But, it was more than two months ago for me, and I can promise you that it will fade. :)
I agree! I had grown attached to Tris and cried when she died of course, but Tris going instead of Caleb was the ultimate act of bravery and selflessness in my opinion. Unlike in Insurgent when Tris was throwing herself at death, she didn't want to die, she thought she would survive. Seeing how brave and strong Tobias had to be to move on both broke my heart and touched me at the same time. Was her death necessary? Maybe not, but I think the epilogue really came together nicely and overall, I thought the very end was beautiful.
Julia wrote: "I agree! I had grown attached to Tris and cried when she died of course, but Tris going instead of Caleb was the ultimate act of bravery and selflessness in my opinion. Unlike in Insurgent when Tri..."I completely agree!! :))
Lauren wrote: "Hi Caraline,I feel your pain, and it makes me mad that Veronica really didn't think this would affect her fans this way. She really misjudged her audience. This was not a poignant death that coul..."
I really don't think she misjudged the fans, because in one of the interviews, she was talking about how she knew that there were some people that would be disappointed in the ending, but when you are writing a story, you really shouldn't think about who's going to read it, you should think about what feels right to you, and this ending felt right to her.
I really agree that it was a brave decision. Plus it captured the true essence of Tris's character, and portrayed the damage caused by war. Not all heroes live. Some always die.
And that's fair, to write what you believe in and what you feel is the best story. I wouldn't ask any writer to do any less. But I do think she misjudged her audience, badly. She knew the reaction would be mixed. This is not mixed. Mixed is when half your audience is sad and wishes it could have been another way. It is not when half the audience is left traumatized and wishing they'd never picked up any of these books. I really don't think she or her team expected the reaction to be the way it is - which is mind-boggling, because if these people (the actual professionals at the publishing house, not Veronica the amateur writer) knew anything about the market they work in, the vitriolic reaction should have been predictable from a mile away. I'm quite a number of years out of the target market, so what happened in the end of this book, in and of itself, doesn't bother me. I am not one of the ones who is upset because I expected a happy ending and feel cheated that I didn't get one - because I didn't and I'm not. My problem, as I've discussed in this board, is how badly it was done and made a difficult-to-accept ending even more difficult to accept because of how pointless and unnecessary it was written. But the actual target market has more basic expectations, so it's rather unfathomable to me to create a product that flies in the face of everything your actual audience wants in the first place. That's just bad business.
So many people complain that it wasn't necessary for Tris to die, but I think it was only realistic and it really made the book better. There are so many frustrating books where you can tell the main character will come out with a happy ending despite being presented with terrible circumstance, and quite frankly, it is frustrating as a reader. It was so refreshing to have an author do what they wanted to make the novel better, not to have the reader be happy. It also wouldn't have been realistic for selfless and brave Tris to let her brother walk to his death, it would completely go against 3 books of character building.... I cried for the last 15% of the novel, and still loved the ending!
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