Do most people hate the ending because......(SUPER SPOILER ALERT!!!)

[Tina J]

Tris died?
Would everyone have liked the ending better if she had survived?
I liked it, but I'm a little confused as to why so many disliked it.
Your thoughts?

[Graysen]

tru i think she had to have her die so then it was more realistic she aint invincible just divergent

[Lauren]

Tina J, read this and you'll get an idea of why this storyline just did not work for people:

http://myallegiantreview.blogspot.com...

[jenner]

The ending wasn't bad, but the story as a WHOLE was weak. Extremely weak. Her writing fell flat, as did her characters (mostly Tobias). I think having Tris die made the story better, actually. I mean, I know it was sad and all, but her death gave us ONE THING in the WHOLE ENTIRE book to grasp. Everything else in "Allegiant" was boring, over-explained, and at times, under-explained. I felt like Ms. Roth strayed too far away in "Allegiant" compared to "Divergent" and "Insurgent." The whole genetic make-up thing threw me off. It was confusing. This book may have been "realistic," but honestly, that's not what some readers want. The characters were bland, the story was boring, and as much as I hate to say this, "Allegiant" gave me a different kind of "look" at the series. Everything Tris did was for nothing. This whole journey with her was tragic, and what we fans needed was something happy. I'm not criticizing VR on this book because of Tris's death, I'm just terribly irritated of how she decided to end this trilogy. Overall, I like the books, the third book wasn't good (in my opinion; everyone has their own thoughts). But I still love VR as an author. Her books have journeyed with me through many fun and hard times.

[Kristen]

There's an awful lot of people who've said that's the reason they hate it, but I'm not sure Tris' death is the reason most do. I'm not even sure it's the real reason those who say they hate it because of that, do. It's an outstanding feature and a shocker, so people aim their ire at it, but the real reason was the plot and lack of importance in her death.

It's pretty clear to me that Roth didn't have a clear goal in mind for the end of the series when she wrote the first two books. Which is why the third book has an entirely different feel than the others that has nothing to do with the change in scenery.
I think when Roth sat down to write Allegiant, she had in mind that this was the way it would go and then wrote her plot around it. Which, I suppose could work, but it didn't in this case. It was too weak and incoherent. There was too much left unsaid about some things and too much dragged out about other things. And her death, while realistic from the standpoint that her recklessness finally caught up to her, it was unrealistic in the sense that it was completely contradictory to the entire goal of the people who killed her.
She went from unrealistically unkillable, to being killed in this really ordinary way, for a reason that's debatable whether the cause was even worth the fight in the first place. Mostly for the method and time they chose to do it.

And the fact that this was the central event on which Roth based her story, ruined the whole thing. So I guess you could say that it is and isn't the reason people hated it. It's more an indirect reason.

[James]

I have to agree with you folks. Allegiant was weak. Tris' death wasn't bad. People who were that attached to Tris were obviously not tired of the 'she-was-just-an-ordinary-girl-who-realized-she-was-special-and-fell-in-love' theme that is everywhere in teen fiction. If you want Tris back so badly, just pick up City of Bones, the Morganville Vampire series, Under the Never Sky, or almost any teen fiction book. You can find her again.

The great thing about this book wasn't Tris, it was the factions idea! The greatest failure of the book is that she threw it away for some poorly done Gattaca genetic purity ripoff story that made no sense. Really. How does being separated into factions of your choice do anything but reinforce your natural genetic instincts? How does it correct genetic impurity? I just don't buy it.

[Lauren]

Seriously. I really, really hope that Veronica and her team are combing through the reviews (both here and on various other sites) very carefully so they'll realize that a majority of 1- and 2-star reviews are because the entire book was bad, not because they're upset about the ending. The book stunk. It stunk as a story on its own, and as a book that's meant to be part of a series it stunk times ten because the direction she took the story in had absolutely nothing to do with the existing story and made no sense as an explanation for things that were already written. I truly believe that this book was not edited at all. I can't believe no one called her out on how ridiculous her idea was, how choppy the structure of the narrative is, and, most of all, how completely inept she was and writing two distinct narrators. I desperately hope that Summit Entertainment pays attention to some of the more in-depth reviews, too, so they can see that readers were not buying this story at all - not because it was badly written, not because it wasn't fun, but because it did not fit into the series at all. I hope they see this and completely rewrite the story for the movie.

[chinami]

i would have loved the book if Tris had lived.

[Caitlyn]

I think people were just a little perplexed by how 'unexpected' her death was that's all. (Myself included.) Some thought she died in vain, but did she really?
Throughout the two other books, Tris manages to weasel herself out of the most impossible situations, situations where you expect her to die. Where it becomes obvious that she'll have to die eventually, but she just.. doesn't. Well if she can get through all of that, she can get through anything right?
Tris becomes almost invincible to us, and I think us readers just took her luck for granted. So when we least expect it, it finally happens, caused by something as simple as a gunshot? What the h, right?

As much as I would have liked to see her live, I think Veronica did a brilliant job. And her choice to end the series like this was very brave in my eyes.

[Andi]

Nope.

By the time we got to the end, this book was piling up a gigantic pile of BS explanations, plot holes, character inconsistencies, info dumps, and a wandering, unfocused narrative. Tris's death was just the cherry on top.

But if there was actually any skill in the way her death was written, I would have given this book a few more points. Her death was the least of my problems with this book, but the horrendous way it's written certainly does exacerbate the main problem: the writing is simply not good.

[Caitlyn]

Well, I guess we'll have to agree to disagree. How nice that we can all have our own opinions.

[☽Ƹɱɱɑ☾]

In my opinion, it was a weak ending. It seemed as though Veronica Roth took the easy way out. Tris's death wasn't necessary, and it didn't bode well with me. The whole series was centered around her, then bam--she dies. Sure, you could say that she inspired others, blah blah blah, and it has a really nice meaning since she sacrificed herself for Caleb, but I don't care about the other characters she was kind of number 1 on my They Had Better Not Die list. I would actually prefer if Tobias had died instead because he was starting to annoy me he wasn't the main character and I didn't feel the same connection with him.

Yes, you could argue with me and say, Hey, that's life. People die. The end. And you know what? I wouldn't have a good answer. I just didn't feel as though Tris's journey was over yet. Heck, she didn't even get to see what all her hard work and sacrifices led to.

But I think the thing that makes me want to Hulk Smash angers me is how people talk about Tobias moving on and finding a new girl. I've seen loads of FanFiction stories on it, and every time I want to throw something across the room. In my imagination, he never finds anyone else. He is inspired by her strength and leads a better life because of her. He thinks of her everyday while he's helping to make the city a better place.

[Caitlyn]

Oh I definitely want to agree with that! There are wayyy too many of those stories out there. Can't and don't want to imagine him with someone else. But then again, I feel bad and I'd want him to find happiness!

[Memi]

☽Ƹɱɱɑ☾ wrote: "In my opinion, it was a weak ending. It seemed as though Veronica Roth took the easy way out. Tris's death wasn't necessary, and it didn't bode well with me. The whole series was centered around he..."

I just pretend Allegiant didn't happened kind of a bad dream Four wakes up from and Tris is there lying in bed next to him.

[Kristen]

Cait wrote: "I think people were just a little perplexed by how 'unexpected' her death was that's all. (Myself included.) Some thought she died in vain, but did she really?
Throughout the two other books, Tris..."

I wasn't surprised by her death. As soon as I saw that the book was from two different POVs, I knew either she or Four would die. And as the end drew nearer, I knew it would be Tris. There was tons of foreshadowing about her character coming to terms with different things - forgiving Caleb for example. I'm a big believer in forgiving people, but realistically, it doesn't usually happen that quickly for something so extreme. It wasn't like he was even truly repentant. He just lost on his gamble and that was his only other option. Realistically, it should have taken Tris a few years to really forgive him, if she could at all. But in Allegiant it *had* to happen right then.

I disagree. Roth wasn't brave for killing Tris off. She was trying to make a point and it didn't work. It could have if the plot, and by extension the motive was better, but the method and reasons she chose were too weak to make the impression she was aiming for.

Also, I didn't begin thinking of Tris as invincible. By the time she died, I was going, well it's about time....

[Lauren]

I think most people gave the book a bad review because the death was poorly executed and the 2 POVs were badly done and the book was not remotely well written and had absolutely nothing to do with the story in the previous books and so made no sense as a conclusion to the series.

[Lauren]

I didn't have much of a problem with her forgiving Caleb "quickly" because deep down we know she loved her brother no matter what, because that's just her. The death was horribly executed because the entire storyline that led to that moment was contrived and unrealistic. The dual narratives were a good idea in theory but Roth is simply incapable of writing in a voice other than her own. She gave them both the same voice and so the whole effect was completely wasted.

[Randy]

While I wouldn't put the book to the level of other readers, I do feel the ending was rushed. The entire book if not the series was a build up of the "one" choice" when it matters most and while Tris went through alot of those choices, that buildup did seem it was meant for her brother Caleb more so than Tris . I'm thinking Mrs. Roth wanted a raw emotional ending with Tris, but rather gave is a confusing rushed ending with Caleb.

[Lauren]

Yes, she wrote both "voices" identically. I think it's the one universal criticism of the book - you would often forget who was talking in any one chapter because they sounded exactly the same.

I've read several books/series that use the dual narrative and never, not once, do you get confused as to which narrator is talking. The characters are given very distinct voices, very different manners of speaking and thinking. It's not an easy skill by any means. When you write the one narrator, you usually write in your regular "writing" voice. But if you are going to have two narrators, you have to create a second voice because the narrators are not supposed to be the same person and two people do not sound the same. You have to learn how to "talk" as another character so you can write as them and not as yourself. Veronica Roth can't do it. She only knows how to write one way. And that's not bad or anything, but I cannot for the life of me understand why an editor didn't call her out on it. The book should never have been published with the narrative written this way.

[Tina J]

Lauren wrote: "Yes, she wrote both "voices" identically. I think it's the one universal criticism of the book - you would often forget who was talking in any one chapter because they sounded exactly the same.

I'..."

I completely agree with that statement!
The amount of times I stopped reading in the middle of a chapter, to then pick it up later and not knowing if I was reading Tobias' POV or Tris'. They were exactly the same!

[Apples]

Was Tris getting shot supposed to be symbolic? Because all throughout the series she's associated with birds and then she has three bird tattoos and she gets shot three times

Also was her death really unavoidable? I mean if she stole the guns why didn't she steal a bullet proof vest? Why even bring it up if she was only going to use it once when she wasn't getting shot at? Could she not have defended herself? She spent all of the last book surviving in situations without a gun and she's had plenty of Dauntless training. not to mention she was not panicking and had him already distracted so why couldn't she have attacked or grabbed the gun away or something? Or why not just run behind him and attack or something I mean he's in a wheel chair so swerving around 360 would have been difficult and his hands were on the gun so he would have had to put it down and turn first.

ugh I'm so frustrated

[Elle]

It was a shock of an ending, but I didn't hate the fact that Tris died. I would have preferred it if she had lived. But I also thought there was a good chance she was going to not end up immune to the death virus and dying from it, so I suppose in a way it was a good thing that, when she proved immune to it, she still ended up dying from something? Otherwise it would have been a little too miraculous of a survival.

Of course, I also would have accepted paralysis or something instead of death - just a permanent injury. But then, by the end the other paralysed girl was on the way to being fixed, so I guess that wouldn't have been permanent at all.

I don't know, I was far more irritated over the sudden double love triangle than I was over Tris dying. (Though I might have enjoyed Tris having to live without Tobias more than Tobias living without Tris.)

I've also seen in reviews that some people thought in the epilogue Tobias and Christina were being hinted at being a couple, which might also make people angry. I didn't read it that way, though - only as friends bonding over their loss.

[Tiffany]

I am very upset and let down by the ending of this triology. I think it was not written or planned out well. I watched her interview on MTV and even then listening her talk about the 3rd book, madde me feel like why did you even write it? She talked about how she found loop holes and just said oh well. Id rather a whole new book not just an alternate ending.

[Reyhaneh]

Jenner wrote: "The ending wasn't bad, but the story as a WHOLE was weak. Extremely weak. Her writing fell flat, as did her characters (mostly Tobias). I think having Tris die made the story better, actually. I me..."

I agree with the fact that the story was weak. It almost seemed like she needed more time to write it or she just should have made it two books. It had a lot of pot holes and felt incomplete