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message 1: by Malaz (last edited Jun 22, 2009 05:12PM) (new)

Malaz You've all probably heard about the Flat Earth Society. Here is an informational link if you haven't:

http://www.alaska.net/~clund/e_djublo...


So if NASA is a conspiracy, what other evidence do we have that the world is round?
Let's debate and analyze...and try to avoid the mass generalizations that we all take for granted...



message 2: by Lauren (new)

Lauren (djinni) | 7365 comments Mod
I know of them. Crazy, ignorant, scientifically illiterate.

The fact is, we can tell from standing on Earth that it is round, using how the horizon dips and shadows.


message 3: by Koe (new)

Koe | 222 comments Ships sink below the horizon rather than just getting smaller and smaller.


message 4: by Lauren (new)

Lauren (djinni) | 7365 comments Mod
Trufact.


message 5: by Malaz (new)

Malaz Quote
Q: "What is the circumference and diameter of the Earth?"

Circumference: 78225 miles
Diameter: 24,900 miles

Q: "What's underneath the Earth?" aka "What's on the bottom?" aka "What's on the other side?"

A: This is unknown. Some believe it to be just rocks, while others believe the Earth rests on the back of four elephants and a turtle.

Q: "If the world was really flat, what would happen if you jump off the disc's edge?"

A: You would become directly affected by Dark Energy as the Earth is, creating the illusion that you are standing next to the Earth.

Q: "Exactly what shape is the Earth if it's flat? Square or circle?"

A: Circle, like in the UN logo. However, the earth is NOT 2D; it is in the shape of a cylinder.

Q: "Why doesn't water run off the Earth?"

A: There is a vast ice wall that keeps the water where it is. The ice wall is roughly 150ft high. This also explains why you can find a vast plane of ice when you travel south.

Q: "If you go directly south won't you eventually fall off the edge of the Earth?"

A: Yes, you will. In order to use this fact as proof you need to record a video of someone flying directly south around the world without falling off the edge. Furthermore you need to prove that your navigational equipment allows you to travel directly south without deviating.





message 6: by Lauren (new)

Lauren (djinni) | 7365 comments Mod
"This is unknown. Some believe it to be just rocks, while others believe the Earth rests on the back of four elephants and a turtle. "

Hogwatch.


I really hope that's a quote from their site and not actual informed opinion.


message 7: by Chandani (new)

Chandani  (milkduds920) | 6408 comments Haha i've heard about this.


message 8: by Malaz (new)

Malaz Space Exploration and Government


Q: "NASA and other world space agencies have pictures of the Earth from space, and in those pictures the Earth is clearly a globe; in this day and age, hasn't it been proven beyond any doubt that the Earth is round?"

A: NASA and the rest of the world's space agencies who claim to have been to space are involved in a Conspiracy to keep the shape of the Earth hidden. The pictures are faked using simple imaging software.

Q: "Are you saying NASA had Photoshop in the 1960s?"

A: Of course not. Back then the pictures taken were of far lower quality and were likely produced using analog means.

Q: "Why has no one taken a photo of the Earth that proves it is flat?"

A: Only those connected to the Conspiracy have access to heights from which the shape of the Earth can be discerned. Also, nobody has been to the edge of the Earth and lived; conditions on the Ice Wall get increasingly treacherous the further you get out, and navigation methods become unreliable that far south. It is also possible that the Conspiracy is guarding the edge to prevent people from getting too close to the truth.

Q: "How did NASA create these images with the computer technology available at the time?"

A: NASA did not send rockets into space; instead, they spent a fraction of their funding on developing increasingly advanced computers and imaging software to cover their lies.

PLEASE NOTE: This means that pictures confirming the roundness or flatness of the Earth DO NOT CONSTITUTE VALID PROOF.

Q: "What is the motive behind this Conspiracy?"

A: Although their main objective can only be speculated upon, the most favored theory is that of financial gain. In a nutshell, it would logically cost much less to fake a space program than to actually have one, so those in on the Conspiracy profit from the funding NASA and other space agencies receive from the government.

Q: "If you're not sure about the motive, why do you say there is a conspiracy?"

A: Well it's quite simple really; if the Earth is in fact flat, then the space agencies must be lying when they say it isn't.

Q: "No one could possibly pull off such a conspiracy successfully."

A: Actually, they could.

Q: "How are the world governments organized to carry out this conspiracy?"

A: Only those governments with space agencies that have actually been to space and produced round pictures of the Earth need be in on the Conspiracy. And even in those cases only a limited number of people within those governments need necessarily be involved. For the most part, even those in the highest positions of these governments are probably unaware of the Conspiracy.

Q: "Why has this site not been shut down by the government?"

A: Not enough people take this site seriously for it to be perceived as a threat by those involved in the Conspiracy. Shutting it down, however, might open them up to suspicion.

Q: "There's no way the government could possibly guard the entire Ice Wall! It would take too many men! Millions of men!"

A: Not really. You could do it with a few hundred men and some basic equipment. But even so there's no reason to assume the Ice Wall is guarded; the harsh conditions of the region make it very difficult to reach anyway.

Q: "Why is NASA's space shuttle runway curved?"

A: It was specially constructed by NASA to be so. After all, NASA is at the heart of the conspiracy.



THESE ARE ALL REAL QUOTES FROM THEIR WEBSITE!!!!

How could someone believe something like that? and How in the world do they benefit from spreading all this?






message 9: by Lauren (new)

Lauren (djinni) | 7365 comments Mod
"A: NASA and the rest of the world's space agencies who claim to have been to space are involved in a Conspiracy to keep the shape of the Earth hidden. The pictures are faked using simple imaging software. "

Why the fuck would anyone care to make everyone believe the Earth is round? What's the point?

"A: Only those connected to the Conspiracy have access to heights from which the shape of the Earth can be discerned. Also, nobody has been to the edge of the Earth and lived; conditions on the Ice Wall get increasingly treacherous the further you get out, and navigation methods become unreliable that far south. It is also possible that the Conspiracy is guarding the edge to prevent people from getting too close to the truth.
"

Then how do we circumnavigate the globe.

"A: Actually, they could. "

Wow.

The moon is round. Is that fake too?

GOSH SOME PEOPLE ARE SO STUPID


message 10: by Malaz (new)

Malaz Although their main objective can only be speculated upon, the most favored theory is that of financial gain. In a nutshell, it would logically cost much less to fake a space program than to actually have one, so those in on the Conspiracy profit from the funding NASA and other space agencies receive from the government.


message 11: by Lauren (new)

Lauren (djinni) | 7365 comments Mod
STUPID.

Gosh. People need to be educated.


message 12: by Malaz (new)

Malaz And apparently - this whole conspiracy deal started with the start of the Space Race when both the Russians and Americans realized they couldn't get into space..


message 13: by Malaz (new)

Malaz And what's funny is that all this can be traced back to political disputes between two opposing views...




message 14: by Lauren (new)

Lauren (djinni) | 7365 comments Mod
Then Russia is in on it too, as they have sent men into space.

As is every other nation in the space program.


message 15: by Malaz (new)

Malaz This brings back the wacked question:

What if everything is a conspiracy and WE are living in nutshell?

What dictates to humanity- solid proof? What makes us believe and what if there was something, someone that was bigger, more powerful that could provide us with "fake" evidence that could satisfy all our primitive tools of analysis:
five senses and then commen sense and comfortable evidence....


message 16: by Lauren (new)

Lauren (djinni) | 7365 comments Mod
And we could all be in the Matrix.


message 17: by Malaz (new)

Malaz So what makes evidence solid?? if we're all in the matrix?


message 18: by Malaz (new)

Malaz and they say google earth is part of this too. that it is just "aerial photography" not satellites!

Is there any piece of truth in this?



message 19: by Lauren (new)

Lauren (djinni) | 7365 comments Mod
The point is, the odds of that approach, and practically are, zero.


message 20: by Chandani (new)

Chandani  (milkduds920) | 6408 comments Haha


message 21: by Jayda (new)

Jayda There are people that seriously believe the earth is flat? o.O


message 22: by Marley (new)

Marley (Marleyme95) | 5270 comments LMFAO! HAha.....


message 23: by Marley (new)

Marley (Marleyme95) | 5270 comments HAHAHA...still laughing.


message 24: by Malaz (new)

Malaz Jayda wrote: "There are people that seriously believe the earth is flat? o.O"


You would be suprised. And they seem to be able to support it with what they deem as "scientific evidence"- it's worth a look.

I think the most interesting part is their explanation for gravity. That instead of a force pulling mass down...the Earth is moving up at a constant 9.8m/s^2 ...so when you jump...you don't come right back down- rather everything comes up to you.




message 25: by Koe (new)

Koe | 222 comments Of course it's all biblically inspired. When you believe the bible is the inerrant word of god this is the sort of nonsense you get.


message 26: by Chandani (new)

Chandani  (milkduds920) | 6408 comments Yeah. They believe that sub saharan africa in fact hangs over into the pits of hell, which is why there are lions, cheetas, and black people.


message 27: by Lauren (new)

Lauren (djinni) | 7365 comments Mod
How could they explain Antarctica/


message 28: by Chandani (new)

Chandani  (milkduds920) | 6408 comments Remember its the big ice wall?


message 29: by Lauren (new)

Lauren (djinni) | 7365 comments Mod
No, the fact you can cross Antarctica and come out the other side.


message 30: by Chandani (new)

Chandani  (milkduds920) | 6408 comments Oh haha


message 31: by Chandani (new)

Chandani  (milkduds920) | 6408 comments Haha!


message 32: by Liz (new)

Liz (lizgore) | 3163 comments :)


message 33: by Sarah (new)

Sarah (lesmisarahbles) | 17 comments LOL fail website is fail.


message 34: by Ruchi (new)

Ruchi (ohlookitsruchi) Q: "What's underneath the Earth?" aka "What's on the bottom?" aka "What's on the other side?"

A: This is unknown. Some believe it to be just rocks, while others believe the Earth rests on the back of four elephants and a turtle.

Q: "If the world was really flat, what would happen if you jump off the disc's edge?"

Am I the only other person that thought of Terry Pratchett's Discworld? This is absolutely ridiculous, why would they believe such a thing :/ An epic hoax to fool the whole world for money. I suppose curiosity and the urge to understand the unknown is not something they'd accept as an explanation.

And lizzy, we why would we be flat if we lived on a flat world? And I think they believe that the sky is domed. Sort of like a bowl over a platter, or something. Also, Terry Pratchett's flat world is more awesome than God's :D


message 35: by Dan (new)

Dan if we lived on a flat world we would be flat

We live on a round world and yet we are not round. Most of us.

if you looked at the sky you can see that it is a round shape

Um, the sky looks round because it's everywhere you look - up, left, right, forwards, backwards. Even if the Earth were flat, you would still see the sky in all these directions.




message 36: by Lauren (new)

Lauren (djinni) | 7365 comments Mod
'We live on a round world and yet we are not round. Most of us. "

2D world, 2D people?




message 37: by Dan (new)

Dan 2D world, 2D people?

Well that's a whole other ball of wax, isn't it?


message 38: by Lauren (new)

Lauren (djinni) | 7365 comments Mod
Flatland! :D


message 39: by Dan (new)

Dan Flat Stanley for President!


message 40: by Lauren (new)

Lauren (djinni) | 7365 comments Mod
OMG

Second Grade=Flat Stanley. Good times. :D


message 41: by Riley (new)

Riley (booksarecool) | 2246 comments Wait, didn't we prove the world was round in 1492 (columbus sailed the ocean blue)? I honestly don't know how they can think something like that...


message 42: by Riley (new)

Riley (booksarecool) | 2246 comments Yeah, Galileo, right? But no one believed him...I dunno, it's kind of ridiculous to me that we're debating if the world is round, seeing as all of us agree it is.


message 43: by Lauren (new)

Lauren (djinni) | 7365 comments Mod
Was he the one who used the shadows of obelisks at different points on Earth and measured it and whatnot?


message 44: by [deleted user] (new)

The earth is round. how does the sun move? WE turn.


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