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message 1: by Leah, I'm HI-larious! (Head Mod) (new)

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Statement:

English should be the official language of the United States.

Affirmative: Adrian
Negative: Som

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message 2: by Som (new)

Som Hey Leah, sounds like a nice topic. Cheers.(:

Hey Adrian, hope you're enjoying the weekend! Reply any time you like. Cheers. (:

OK for a start, let's discuss about it...I think English should not be the official language of the Unites States. As it's official already in 60% of the places in US; in UT, TN, OH, NC, SC, CA etc 20-25 others. Other multilingual and bilingual places aren't making it official for some reasons. The reasons may include...under..

Diversity and Economic Perspectives

”If you talk to a man in a language he understands, that goes to his head. If you talk to him in his language, that goes to his heart.” - Nelson Mandela

U.S’s growth lies in a diverse work culture. Developing nations may suffer ‘brain drain’; but U.S is getting stronger everyday because of the establishment of a diverse work culture. Most elite employees of different nations as Chinese, Japanese, Indians, French, Spanish, Africans etcetera prefer to work at U.S; it’s not easy to get a job and citizenship. They work hard to pave their path to U.S, work even harder to sustain their future as Americans. With GDP over 16 Trillion turnover of an economy attracts the best from all over the world, means more effective productivity. If language is a barrier, diversity will collapse as it will be more autocratic than democratic. The national and international integrity of the workforce will be in turmoil. The overall productivity will be limited. The economical growth will face the bottlenecks. The deals U.S made with other countries in terms of job usurped functions will result in another great depression as it’ll demolish the trade-relation continuum. China would be more aggressive and competitive against the U.S economic force; causing cold war. So will Russia, Germany and 100 other nations. How UN will react?

Philology-philosophy (Cultural scarcity)

"The limits of my language mean the limits of my World" – Ludwig Wittgenstein

In the literary aspect of language, the scope of adhering to other vast majority of literary subjects is a revolutionary platform in United States. The linguistic barriers will sloth the growth and globalization of literary and philosophical works. It always has been the major device for knowing ‘everything’ about other cultures and implementing essence of those ideologies to own culture. The ambiguity of a limited language will involuntarily result in mass ignorance. Viz: Without French philology and philosophy unknown to the American schools, there will be no developmental scenario for self-literary revolution; as a closure it will just suppress the knowledge of the youth. It’s against the nature of a developed nation. Rest of the world look forward to the cognitive abilities of versatile linguistics and translators in the fields of philology; those convey the rest of the world. U.S is always been a talent hub of philosophy and philology. It has the power to afford the knowledge of the world and still proving it; sticking to one official language will just limit their world. The pride is a failure if it keeps you ignorant.

Political/Propaganda Aspects

”When the American spirit was in its youth, the language of America was different: Liberty, sir, was the primary object.” - Patrick Henry

The raging conflict between conservatives and liberal ideologies transformed many developmental projects and visions just a mere apparatus for political gain filled with propaganda theories. Conservatives claiming The Liberals’ protests against the establishment of English as the official language is anti-American; is however, without a doubt, a political warfare strategy. They don’t take economic strata analysis while taking these petty, cheap political tactics as the propaganda instruments. Their views are ‘obviously’ opposites; to stir the basic logic and simplistic prognosis for the future, just to gather supporters for votes.

Trade Usurped Functions and Ideal Globalization

Thousands of trading pacts, deals and importing workforce has been made with other 100s of countries by US. With five largest trading partners, Canada, China, Mexico, Japan, and Germany. Worst case scenario: It’ll be considered backstabbing if US goes off the terms and regulations; resulting, losing support from UN, IMF etc. World trade will be in chaos as major world traders will remove their support just because of US’s sudden linguistic supremacy. China will be the initiator of denial. There will be more uncontrollable espionage, war crimes, citizen grievances, drone attacks etc. China and Japan alone will gather all the Edward Snowdens from US and protect them while making US lose all the privileges of obtaining oil and minerals from middle east; tech from Japan; workforce from China, India, Mexico etc….Will be a chaos if you consider the worst case scenario.

History is the Greatest Teacher!

English language hailed in US along with British Empire in 15th-16th century, with British America. Since then they tried few times making English the official language; those didn’t go well. We’re supposed to learn from history right? Why repeating the same mistake after years of establishment of global relations? After strengthening the foundation it's built on? On the other hand, American public administration and political system is completely different that of UK. It’s been a cold war between Brits and Americans for a long time. But why holding on to their language? The whole world is aware of the fact that language ‘English’ is from England. If Americans wants to be superior then they’d adopt all the major languages including English, it also helps injecting the fluidity to the global communication for self and others’ benefits. If it’s a matter of pride then US should discard English language in the first place. British ruled India for around 300 years; that didn’t make India’s official language English!

Morality

"With great power comes great responsibility" - Uncle Ben

In days like these when a superpower will become selfish, there will be wars, oppression all over the world, cold or not. America being the greatest economic power (after EU) should be morally aggressive to other countries’ problems rather than focussing on establishing English as an official language to boost up self pride as an illusion of accomplishment. The peace lies in communication, adaptation and appreciation. Doctors, Social workers, Welfare activists of US go to other underdeveloped nations to restore their loss. They set up charities; bringing back the almost dead ones from Africa to take care of them. It’s a duty and it’s what will make America the greatest nation once again; being strongest doesn’t mean being the greatest. Being strongest in a place where it’s falling apart isn’t a thing to be proud of anyways. You want to be the greatest; help your people and the world; we’re all a giant family of ~7 Billion. Start it by accepting the need of a bi/multilingual nation.

What do you think Adrian?


message 3: by Victor (new)

Victor (ace-geek) Hey Som. Hope you’re enjoying your weekend as well. I’m not an expert at debate, but here we go:
English should be the official language of the United States. Having a single language for all fifty states would serve well to unite all work forces in the country.
Diversity and Economics:
It’s true that U.S grows depends heavily on diversity. But this is also why we need one language only. If a person coming from Spain speaks only Spanish and his coworker speaks only French, language will indeed be a barrier. The need for translators would grow exponentially with workers from outside the United States who do not speak the same language. It is hard to gain citizenship here, yes. But how much harder to work in a country whose language you’re unfamiliar with and not actively learning? Giving this diverse culture is not exclusive at all and only ensures that our workers, wherever they come from, can all communicate in a common tongue. Diversity and trade would only suffer in confusion is communication is made more difficult with many languages being spoken. The United States claims no “supremacy” is having an official language any more than any other country.
Other Cultures:
To study other cultures is undoubtedly a good idea. We are a diverse nation with dealings in many countries and knowledge about the places and people we work with is of course, good to have. Even knowing their language could be wise for most business men and women. People are absolutely free to study French, Spanish, Latin and any other language of the Earth. There are articles published stating that knowing more than one language is beneficial to the brain. All of this in no way implies that English should not be the official language of the United States. Other languages can and should be studied, but having one official language again ensures against problems in day to day life speaking to fellow citizens.
History and Morality:
America cannot, in all practicality, adopt all the languages in the world. That would be a source of chaos not unlike the scattering at the Tower of Babel. It is vital that everyone be able to speak and be understood with each other. The vast majority of American citizens speak English in 2013 and that is a fact. Wherever the language comes from is irrelevant to today’s society. We must learn from the past without losing focus on today.
The world is full of problems but some selfishness is necessary. The United States must take care of itself first and foremost. If it puts all of its power into helping other countries while not helping the homeland, the country could fall into chaos and war. If that happens, we will be unable to help anyone, even ourselves. Maintaining the United States must be our priority and uniting us all under one language is a step toward helping ourselves.


message 4: by Som (new)

Som Nice post mate.

English should be the official language of the United States. Having a single language for all fifty states would serve well to unite all work forces in the country.

•But how about the second most populated work culture; Spanish? And other ethnic minorities; they are increasing every year; tripling in a decade. Those who belong to the lower level workforce are the foundation of operations and maintenance. It's not possible to teach them English at all; it'll be even costlier and futile; a wasted effort. You know immigration is illegal but it's active in almost every bi/multilingual places of U.S? They are not prone to learn new languages; as learning new languages takes years of time and patience; they can't afford that! Of the effect of making the language official, they will have to speak and write in English to qualify the entrance to U.S soil. They will simply leave the country out of oppression and rest of the US can't possibly fill their place; not without a economy hampering cost; at the time when the debt is 14 trillion with a possible inflation.

It’s true that U.S grows depends heavily on diversity. But this is also why we need one language only. If a person coming from Spain speaks only Spanish and his coworker speaks only French, language will indeed be a barrier.

•There's a thin line between low wage workers and office workers, in terms of language. Office workers' workforce doesn't hampered much by making the language official though. A well qualified French person knows multiple languages so as the Spanish one (that's why they are in US as they cleared TOEFL, GRE etc equivalent exams for VISA), if necessary for their conversation they will use English, BUT they don't like to. They will certainly feel the discrepancy if it's English everywhere. They want their language spread too or at least preserved, respected and globalized. My point was diversity would be in turmoil because of the dissatisfaction they will get from turning down their language. It's mostly a matter of pride (of mostly Chinese, Japanese workforce). English is definitely the global language for communication, but America is better than this. Not necessarily applying/learning all the languages of the world; but they'd stick to what it is right now. These other places are bi/multilingual for a reason. You can't make a prognosis about the transformation it will bring after the changes. Certainly can't be a positive one.

The world is full of problems but some selfishness is necessary. The United States must take care of itself first and foremost. If it puts all of its power into helping other countries while not helping the homeland, the country could fall into chaos and war. If that happens, we will be unable to help anyone, even ourselves.

•Agreed. (:

Maintaining the United States must be our priority and uniting us all under one language is a step toward helping ourselves.

•But how English as the official language will take US one step further? It's a matter of pride, nothing else.
It's not that Americans lacking the pride! It will come with a cost of 'upsetting lot of countries'; mostly China and Japan. They tried to make English official once/twice (back in 16-17th century) but it didn't go well. That's the lesson from the history. Appreciating what it is right now will maintain the prosperity. Right now it's only political disaster, US doesn't want another 'possible' disaster on top of that!


message 5: by Victor (new)

Victor (ace-geek) But how about the second most populated work culture; Spanish?

Making English the official language on the United States would have an impact on Spanish-Speakers. I grant that, and that it would be impractical to try and teach every individual English all at once. But it should not be an overnight change. An integration program should be put in place instead ending in English being the official language or the only widely spoken one. The workers that put in time to learn English slowly would have the opportunity. We have technology available for online schools and tutoring and other such possibilities. The result would be a bi-lingual workforce; this is an advantage to society. The positions opened by the workers who left instead would be welcome to the many unemployed born American citizens. They would be unlikely to go unfilled.

There's a thin line between low wage workers and office workers, in terms of language.

Agreed. But there should not be any feelings of discrepancy. When doing business with any country, a mature businessman/woman should speak the language of that country without taking it as an affront. Other countries with official languages are not unkind for having them. You point out that they would want their language spread and globalized. This may be true for some but not all of them. And the freedom to learn and use languages will preserve tongues other than English from falling into extinction in the United States. Using one language for business is not a matter of pride; it is one of practicality. I point out that mistranslations and miscommunications would drop in international dealings if everyone spoke the same language, and as English is indeed the “global language for communication” it is the logical candidate. We as a modern society are far from the 16th/17th century.


message 6: by Som (new)

Som An integration program should be put in place instead ending in English being the official language or the only widely spoken one.

Hmm, What's wrong with Spanish and their current situation?! Will English as the official language solve anything that's relevant for the development?
Well teaching them effectively and quickly is undeniably costly. And for low wage workers, learning a new language for their job; it's not possible and affordable for them; on top of that there's no potential outcome of that transformation anyways. They remember few adequate parts of American constitution and history, that takes them to get working VISA and qualify them for green card eventually. And that takes them a year to prepare I reckon. They worked so hard to come to U.S, even working harder to sustain...what's the point stripping away their language, democracy from them and adding more task..

Using one language for business is not a matter of pride; it is one of practicality. English is indeed the “global language for communication” it is the logical candidate. We as a modern society are far from the 16th/17th century.

That's very logical. (:

But wouldn't it be undemocratic to impose English on those bi/multilingual states? In 16th-17th century, think they didn't impose it on people because they want to communicate with them properly, while being aware of their culture to implement strategies accordingly, without wasting time teaching English to everyone. That's what it's right now too! Language is an art, why being limited to just one? I know how to speak and write in 4 languages myself. We have freedom of using those all 4s in here. Mate, I wouldn't be discussing things with you right now if we are forced to use our mother tongue only. Would of lost touch in those other 3. I kind of feel bad for people who only knows and speaks a single language. Isn't it very robotic? Communication is actually wide ranged, vivid in its contents and emotions with multiple languages, adventurous. Cultures are shared easily; enthusiasm for learning language increases. From cultural, knowledge, prosperity aspects, those bilingual states have strengthened their bonds over the years. Who's going to change their culture anyways? And for what reason and cost; I don't see any other reasons than 'pride'!


message 7: by Victor (last edited Sep 01, 2013 07:53AM) (new)

Victor (ace-geek) (Nice points, man. And I envy you knowing four languages :) )

Hmm, What's wrong with Spanish and their current situation?! Will English as the official language solve anything that's relevant for the development?

Being able to better communicate is always relevant. It need not be costly. As I mentioned before, online paperless resources could be widely available for free, and they would be under no obligation to learn at a break neck pace. Once the integration is set up, English would slowly take over commerce and daily speech in the United States. I grant that having to learn more about the Constitution than the average adult American knows is pointless, but language is vital to getting along in society and should factor into getting a VISA. To learn the language of your new country is not “stripping” away their old culture and language. But say, if you went to China, would you not be expected to speak Chinese? You say that they have it hard when they come here to sustain life and that’s true. But as I said before a language barrier can only ever make it harder for them.

But wouldn't it be undemocratic to impose English on those bi/multilingual states?

I don’t see having one language as undemocratic. We are in 2013 and modern culture would benefit from everyone in this country being able to talk with everyone else. We should take time to establish English as the official language, not force it overnight. We would not be blotting out other cultures and languages, more putting them to side.

Language is an art, why being limited to just one? ….. Isn't it very robotic?

Don’t be limited. Using one language in daily life and business and being multilingual are not mutually exclusive. The language you use at work by no means needs to be the language you think in or use with your family and friends. And cultures should be shared. I would think encouraging people to learn different languages would open up new ways of thinking and seeing the world. But having one language everyone can speak in is still beneficial.


message 8: by Som (new)

Som ((Yeah mate, cheers. Knowing 4 language has its consequences; I'll deviate from the debate-discussion mentality and tell you this; knowing multiple languages is like being jack of most trades but jackass overall haha!)) (:

I don’t see having one language as undemocratic.

It need not be costly. As I mentioned before, online paperless resources could be widely available for free, and they would be under no obligation to learn at a break neck pace. Once the integration is set up, English would slowly take over commerce and daily speech in the United States

¤Don't other minorities and ethnic groups taken into account? What about New Mehico? Their votes is a great number. Could be a determinant of the government party in action. How about a Spanish governor? Not to mention, racism still exists to a great deal, even on the citizen strata. How about drawbacks from implementation of 14th amendment on those multilingual citizens and immigrants; other ethnic may suffer the discrimination on political,judicial and other levels circumscribed in 14th amendment of constitution. Racism will rise along with it; since the judicial system is already biased racially (viz: Zimmerman's homicide case); but this may be stretching too far; still can't be an improbable cause though; targeting the jury-convict verbal-interpretation mismatch.

Paperless format of teaching calls for technological advancement for making it widespread and cheap; still a crunch of capita will likely be involved for its implementation in form of system setups. Language alone can't get you a green card for being a permanent citizens though. One needs to have an adequate knowledge of the political and constitutional grounds. Those English language books are difficult enough.
If I go to China (Viz: like The new karate kid), I'd face so many barriers that will make me feel that I'm on my own. Eventually I'll try to learn the official language. But how long it will take with an additional expenses of time for educational stature. Why US workers, daily wagers don't go to China and Japan? They can't set up a business there, even if it's a restaurant. If I'm a foreigner to japan and even if I take sushi better than 'Jiro'(A sushi master), people will still go to Jiro because of the emotional loyalty to the language and culture.

Using one language in daily life and business and being multilingual are not mutually exclusive.

¤Very well said! (:

I agree it's not mutually exclusive but it's a tough task. Why choosing the difficult on the price of giving priority to the establishment of linguistic 'Pride', only?

I would think encouraging people to learn different languages would open up new ways of thinking and seeing the world. But having one language everyone can speak in is still beneficial.

¤Yeah mate, reckon you've made this point before. This raises a question though..that's...'Do you think making English the official language will eradicate communication problems?' If yes then how? I can speak English even if it's technically my 3rd language. Meaning, academically I know two other languages in which I'm way better than English. It's the ease of usage of the language officially. There are around 35 Mil Spanish people dwell in U.S whose only language is Spanish/Castilian. But they come to the land of opportunities hoping for a better future, living the American Dream, which respects other languages and races. Reckon, most of their (Spanish citizen's) local offices (let's say Right To Information offices for FAQ purposes) in which, suppose the queries are on a sentimental level; how would they convey those if it's all in English.

One language is futile in nation that's built on multiple languages. By multiple language usage I meant...

(If I may quote from Wikipedia)

"According to the American Community Survey 2009, endorsed by the United States Census Bureau, the main languages by number of speakers older than five are:

English – 229 million
Spanish – 35 million
Chinese languages – 2.6 million + (mostly Cantonese speakers, with a growing group of Mandarin speakers)
Tagalog – 1.5 million + (Most Filipinos may also know other Philippine languages, e.g. Ilokano, Pangasinan, Bikol languages, and Visayan languages)
French – 1.3 million
Vietnamese – 1.3 million
German – 1.1 million (High German) + German dialects like Hutterite German, Texas German, Pennsylvania German, Plautdietsch
Korean – 1.0 million
Russian – 881,000
Arabic – 845,000
Italian – 754,000
Portuguese – 731,000
Polish – 594,000
French Creole – 659,000
Hindi – 561,000
Japanese – 445,000
Persian – 397,000
Urdu – 356,000
Gujarati – 341,000
Greek – 326,000
Serbo-Croatian – 269,000
Armenian – 243,000
Hebrew – 222,000
Cambodian – 202,000"

Turning their day-to-day work and its lucidity looks costly enough. All in the expense of pride...
What do you think!?


message 9: by Victor (new)

Victor (ace-geek) Don't other minorities and ethnic groups taken into account? ….How about a Spanish governor?

Everyone would be taken into account, Spanish speakers are just more prevalent. It’s no insult to anyone to make English the official language and it is not racist to expect the citizens of a country to speak it’s language. If English were made the official language, then all government parties including governors would of course have to speak it. I submit that with language barriers falling away over time racism will either be unaffected or even drop. If racism is based on people thinking of others as being ‘alien’ in some way, a wider opportunity for communication could lessen the feelings.

Paperless format of teaching calls for technological advancement for making it widespread and cheap; still a crunch of capita will likely be involved for its implementation in form of system setups. Language alone can't get you a green card for being a permanent citizens though. One needs to have an adequate knowledge of the political and constitutional grounds. Those English language books are difficult enough.

Of course there would be cost in starting up the program. But the benefits of a country where every individual can speak with every other individual is well worth the investment. With costs of computers falling(high-end machines notwithstanding) and more online schools and lessons available, it could be feasible to teach large numbers of people English. I agree that language alone cannot earn citizenship but understanding a culture is much easier if you speak the language. Learning English is an important step to citizenship. Take your metaphor about China; you would feel very uneasy in a country whose language you didn’t know. It would benefit you greatly to have learned Chinese.

Do you think making English the official language will eradicate communication problems?' If yes then how?

Communication problems will always exist. People will always interpret things wrong sometimes. But even if English is your third of fourth language, you can communicate with people who don’t speak your first or second, and that is very useful. If I were fluent in Spanish but not English, I couldn’t speak with someone who did not speak Spanish at all.

To your last statement: I argue that it would be more disruptive to the daily lives of immigrant workers to go on not speaking the main(if not official) language of their country than to learn it and go on understanding and speaking the language.

What do you think, Som?


message 10: by Som (new)

Som Sorry for the late reply mate, Monday mornings can be hectic sometimes.

What do you think, Som?

((I can't think of anything else special haha. Well all the relevant points are already discussed, innit! Now it'd be just dragging and reshuffling it, sort of!))

If English were made the official language, then all government parties including governors would of course have to speak it.

Of course there would be cost in starting up the program. But the benefits of a country where every individual can speak with every other individual is well worth the investment.

• Hmm, but aren't they speaking it now!? My point is they all speak English in U.S offices, workplaces, but all they want is a little corner for their own language. It's not too much to ask!

US current debt is around 17 Trillion dollars if I'm not mistaken. Setting up anything 'irrelevant' (low cost English learning institutes needs higher investments) at this point of time will just put a major impact on other country's currency values and trade usurped functions; also will hamper US's fiscal policies. It's irrelevant as it can't ensure the productivity of those low cost learning institutes. But It'll definitely impose more tax to the citizens.

Take your metaphor about China; you would feel very uneasy in a country whose language you didn’t know. It would benefit you greatly to have learned Chinese.

• Yes! But I would not go to China unless I'll be selected as an apprentice of Jackie Chan who'll guide through Mandarin, English and Kung Fu. :P
But I'll go to U.S instead as I have few relatives in there who enjoys a bit of every language, the flavor of every cultural discussions and learning. They even learn Spanish, French, German, Japanese and Mandarin in the process; they even get promoted by learning different languages (fact!). Because most of the major deals from other countries and their officials don't like the idea of translation. it'd be easy if you know their language, so instead of hiring 2 employees (one for the deal and one for translation) they hire one with both the skills.

I argue that it would be more disruptive to the daily lives of immigrant workers to go on not speaking the main(if not official) language of their country than to learn it and go on understanding and speaking the language.

• Auto mechanics, nurses, lower level clerks, Janitors, Construction workers, movers and packers, industry workers etc are expertise on what they do; they have unions and groups. Their leader/lower authority being a Bi/multilingual person who helps translating their feedback towards development.

Knowledge can't be bad. If everyone will be satisfied with one language they won't show any enthusiasm to learn any other languages; which is for me, a bit of disrespectful; we look up to U.S as a massive power that unites the whole world, even protect it. And inspire other countries to learn multiple languages if they want to make it U.S, especially to the city that never sleeps.

My question being; you had so many chances to make English the official language on so many occasions in the past. But you didn't; so why bother now!? What's the major relevance of it on the expense of raising tax, increasing debt and overall turmoil!


message 11: by Victor (last edited Sep 02, 2013 07:28AM) (new)

Victor (ace-geek) (You’re not late at all. I think we’re in very different time zones. I’m in the eastern U.S for the record.)

My question being; you had so many chances to make English the official language on so many occasions in the past. But you didn't; so why bother now!?

If we had that mindset, so many new things may have never been invented. Should we have left the idea of the automobile alone because we had horses? A philosophy of “if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it” should not apply here. There is always room for improvement; the fact that it is happening now rather than years ago is simply irrelevant.

Auto mechanics, nurses, lower level clerks, Janitors, Construction workers, movers and packers, industry workers etc are expertise on what they do; they have unions and groups. Their leader/lower authority being a Bi/multilingual person who helps translating their feedback towards development.

I’m sure they’re more than capable of doing their job. But my point is that if they spoke English, the need for bilingual translators would be gone or greatly lessened. They could speak more directly without a third party and that’s a plus. And everyone should not be satisfied with one language. I’ve mentioned before that having one language is good for clear communication but people should study other languages at their leisure. As you said, knowledge can’t be bad. Encouraging people to know many languages does not affect the U.S having an official language.

They even learn Spanish, French, German, Japanese and Mandarin in the process; they even get promoted by learning different languages (fact!).It'd be easy if you know their language, so instead of hiring 2 employees (one for the deal and one for translation) they hire one with both the skills.

This is exactly why we need an official language; to eliminate the need for translators unless it’s international business. I encourage learning multiple languages, but there will be people who simply want to stick with the English they’ve used their whole lives and to expect the citizens of a country to learn a new language for the sake of newcomers is unfair.

On the debt and cost: The U.S government wastes money left and right. True, they don’t have to waste, but they do it anyway. This is something that is worth spending money on. In the long run it will be worth it to have an established language that everyone speaks instead of so many people that don’t know the major language of the country.

(Okay, that’s probably weak but I’m running out of things to say. Sorry, Som.)


message 12: by Som (new)

Som (Okay, that’s probably weak but I’m running out of things to say. Sorry, Som.)

((Yep same here mate...think we discussed most of the major stuffs, guess there's nothing more to add; so this maybe is my last post here! Or I'll probably end up bringing Discworld to the discussion and their wizardry constitution!))

If we had that mindset, so many new things may have never been invented. Should we have left the idea of the automobile alone because we had horses? A philosophy of “if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it” should not apply here. There is always room for improvement; the fact that it is happening now rather than years ago is simply irrelevant.

• Wont it be like going downhill though? I mean in our house we talk in 3 different languages. It helps improving language skills that way we can be more versatile in linguistics; linguistics arts will probably lose its relevance dumbing down our enthusiasm and on the downside we'll end up speaking only one language; if I were a French and go to U.S and meet you; wouldn't you confabulate in French and surprise me!? I would of remember that forever. These little intangible and unnoticeable psychological relations can cause a butterfly/ripple effect for America's better and prosperous future; without any causing anti-English agitation among Navajo, Cree, Cherokee, Ojibwa, Dakota, Apache, Blackfoot, Choctaw etc language speaking native American citizens with around a million population in U.S. Getting rid of those language may cause a whitewash on the heritage! It could turn into a communal discrimination...

I’m sure they’re more than capable of doing their job. But my point is that if they spoke English, the need for bilingual translators would be gone or greatly lessened. They could speak more directly without a third party and that’s a plus.

• Think the third party is just basically the employees of the company who learned those language to deal with International affairs. Making English the official language may not change anything but raising questions and concerns of 'why'. Only English spoken people have no problems right now for communication anyways. English being the global link language has official uses are mostly through computers, Internet and internet. Making English official wont inflict many impacts on that. But lower waged people will be suffered.

(What do we all think!? It really doesn't matter anymore, politics overtook everything. The rights are a mirage, you're paying for them anyways. If it happens we all have to accept it; if not, no one will complain or even think about it; knowing end of the day it's the government's day, politician's win ,we'll go on our own way watching The Empire Strikes back to satisfy the hidden, evil irony and the next day carry on bleeding money with free dripping sweats for a living!) (:


message 13: by Victor (new)

Victor (ace-geek) (Yeah this will be my last post too, I think. That gives us six posts each and I think that’s enough to cover everything here and sadly I’ve only read the first Discworld book :) Good debate, whoever wins.)

Wont it be like going downhill though?

Everyone speaking the same language even if it’s their third or fourth is a step uphill. People are always free to speak in other languages and learn other languages, but we need a central “hub” language that everyone can agree on. English is the most widely spoken in this country. If you were French and came to the U.S I would be under obligation to speak to you in French. If I knew French I would probably speak your native language with you, but you as the newcomer must not expect me to. I agree that it would be nice and a pleasant surprise, but those things happen rarely. Again we’re not discriminating and driving anything out, just having a hub language.

Think the third party is just basically the employees of the company who learned those language to deal with International affairs.

Yes and for international dealings they will always be needed. But there is a need for translators within the country and people who don’t speak its dominant language. As to the why: making English the official language of the U.S is logical simply because it’s the dominant language. The lower waged workers would not suffer if it happened slowly. Other languages would naturally fall out of mainstream use over time.

(Yes, the government is always going to do what it’s going to do. It’s out of our hands however rationally we decide what we’d personally like. Rights are a mirage, you’re right about that. And I do like The Empire Strikes Back.)


message 14: by Som (new)

Som Yeah Evan, twas a good one, tis would be my first Vs debate! Thanks for the time mate. cheers! (:

Leah, we're done! Nice topic selection btw, we enjoyed it. (:


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