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message 1: by Simon (Highwayman) (last edited Aug 28, 2013 12:30AM) (new)

Simon (Highwayman) (highwayman) | 4698 comments Ever since tony Blair got his 'jobs for the boys' post as middle east peace envoy the whole region has been in turmoil. Now he has declared early that he would like a fight with Syria. Putting aside the right way of dealing with the terrible events in Syria, when are we going to sack Blair? He surely doesn't need the money and he could still end up in court over war crimes if his friends in high places stop protecting him


Ok, you may have guessed I don't admire him much... Don't get me started about his wife though or I will have to ban myself.


message 2: by Jim (new)

Jim | 22033 comments I'm thinking of putting myself forward as a replacement. I'll do his job for £15 an hour and free flights and hotel accommodation.
Cannot see myself making a worse mess somehow


Lynne (Tigger's Mum) | 5862 comments No comment! You'd have to 'moderate' my post but we do have a TB supporter lurking. I guess he wouldn't dare show himself though. ;o)


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Kath Middleton | 25093 comments TB? Tiny Bladder?


message 5: by Will (new)

Will Macmillan Jones (willmacmillanjones) | 11721 comments Don't expect me to support Mr Blair.

I'm a socialist, you see.


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B J Burton (bjburton) | 2914 comments Lynne (Tigger's Mum) wrote: "No comment! You'd have to 'moderate' my post but we do have a TB supporter lurking. I guess he wouldn't dare show himself though. ;o)"

Surely not! This group is far too intelligent and sensitive to contain such a member.


eastwood  (do you feel lucky punk,well do ya) | 15991 comments tony blair best prime minister we have ever had.


message 8: by Will (new)

Will Macmillan Jones (willmacmillanjones) | 11721 comments Best conservative prime minister, possibly.


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B J Burton (bjburton) | 2914 comments eastwood ( hang em high) wrote: "tony blair best prime minister we have ever had."

Thanks for that. Best laugh I've had for ages.


message 10: by Elle (new)

Elle (louiselesley) | 7913 comments I do agree we need to step in with Syria though.


message 11: by Andy (new)

Andy Elliott | 1524 comments "Tony Blair: Middle East Peace Envoy" is the follow up to the other work of fantasy fiction "Margaret Thatcher: Friend of the Miners".

I'm intrigued by next year's "Keith Vaz: Chairman of the Home Affairs Committee" which to me seems a step to far into fantasy land.


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R.M.F. Brown | 4128 comments Simon (Highwayman) wrote: "Ever since tony Blair got his 'jobs for the boys' post as middle east peace envoy the whole region has been in turmoil. Now he has declared early that he would like a fight with Syria. Putting asid..."

Agreed, and as for his wife when it comes to freebies, if it's not nailed down, she'll take it!


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B J Burton (bjburton) | 2914 comments We can't even sort out Northern Ireland properly. It's insanity to think that we can resolve by force the problems in a distant region of the world with different cultures and religious divisions that have had people at each other's throats for hundreds of years.
I occasionally daydream about what life would be like in Britain if we had declared ourselves neutral in every major conflict since the Crimean war and made Britain an offshore tax haven for the rest of Europe.


message 14: by Elle (last edited Aug 28, 2013 05:23AM) (new)

Elle (louiselesley) | 7913 comments B J wrote: "We can't even sort out Northern Ireland properly. It's insanity to think that we can resolve by force the problems in a distant region of the world with different cultures and religious divisions t..."

EXCUSE ME. But Northern Ireland may have its up and downs but it does not need freaking "sorted". It is a perfectly peaceful nation 99% of the freaking time.


message 15: by B J (last edited Aug 28, 2013 05:36AM) (new)

B J Burton (bjburton) | 2914 comments Elle, I've no doubt that well over 99% of the population do not need 'sorting out', but there is no denying that the problems are not fully resolved. Only a couple of days ago a large cache of automatic weapons and ammunition was found in Belfast. Two weeks ago 56 police officers were injured during a riot over a republican march.


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Bill (s0litaire) | 124 comments and it's just been reported that a rocket launcher was just found in northern Ireland.


message 17: by Elle (last edited Aug 28, 2013 05:40AM) (new)

Elle (louiselesley) | 7913 comments You don't need to tell me about my own city.

How many knife crimes do you hear in England?

Don't single out Northern Ireland for having crime like the rest of the UK. We are no-where near as problematic as most people seem to think we are.


And comparing us (indirectly) to a place like Syria where they used a chemical weapon on their own people and killed over 1300 is grossly offensive and quite frankly ridiculously stupid on your part.


PS: People with your ugly attitude on the world are just plain ignorant and infuriate me. I find it really shocking that people think turning a blind eye is the easiest way to live. Don't let cotton wool be pulled over your eyes. People are suffering in the world and it's our responsibility for the future of our planet and race to help.


Lynne (Tigger's Mum) | 5862 comments I am in favour of doing everything to help the suffering of the refugees and citizens caught up in this mess. But there are so many possibilities of who actually harmed them. It could be either side or a third party making trouble. That has to be ascertained first. I can't see how military intervention is a solution.


message 19: by B J (last edited Aug 28, 2013 06:36AM) (new)

B J Burton (bjburton) | 2914 comments Elle, that's the trouble with exchanging comments in brief exchanges in an internet forum. Chatting over a pint down the pub I think you'd find we have much more in common than you currently believe. I lost several relatives during WWII. At university I made friends with half-a-dozen Americans. Upon their return to the States they were drafted and sent to Vietnam; two didn't get home. A friend was killed in the Falklands. A relative has come home from Afghanistan without his legs. A neighbour's son has severe mental health problems after service in Iraq. I have sat, in tears, in the grounds of the Queen Elizabeth Hospital in Birmingham watching the helicopters fly in more of our crippled young people.
So, my attitude to the world is neither ugly, nor plain ignorant. It has been formed by a lifetime of seeing the conviction that 'we must do something' result in death and injury. The problem is that the 'something' we do invariably involves military force.
66 people were killed in Iraq bombings this morning. That brings the total to nearly 4000 during 2013. Our military intervention hasn't brought peace.
Yes, I'd love us to be able to take action to bring peace to Syria, Iraq, Eqypt, Afghanistan, The Yemen, Liberia, Papua New Guinea etc etc. But life has taught me that if military force is all we can think of, it will not work.
I'm sorry that my mentioning Northern Ireland in response to your comment about Syria offended you. Of course the two situations are not in any way comparable. Northern Ireland is part of our country. We understand the cultural background and, as you say, the problems that remain are minor. If we cannot resolve minor problems within our own country what chance do we have of resolving major ones elsewhere?
That does not mean that we shouldn't try. I only wish we could think of something other than more military action.
Hug and make up?


message 20: by Andy (new)

Andy Elliott | 1524 comments eastwood ( hang em high) wrote: "tony blair best prime minister we have ever had."

I think you'll find that accolade goes to Lord Palmerston. Or maybe Pitt the Elder.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZyZ7oU...


message 21: by Michael Cargill (new)

Michael Cargill Cargill (michaelcargill) | 3001 comments Tony Blair as a Middle East peace envoy is like handing Jimmy Saville a TV show centred around letting kids live out their dreams and fantasies.

Getting involved in Syria is tricky to say the least. It's a civil war with no easily discernible 'good guys'.

I'd be more up for bombing Saudia Arabia. If we do it from our airbases in the Mediterranean, it means we can drop a few on the Vatican on the way back.


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Alan Hardy | 75 comments Mind you, looks like today the war-mongers are being reined in a bit...is it possible, you think, old GB might do now what it should have done over Iraq, basically not join in with the Yanks and give them the 'international' cover with which to start another pointless war...and thereby maybe even dissuading the US from going in?


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Jim | 22033 comments Elle wrote: "I do agree we need to step in with Syria though."

I agree that something may well have to be done about Syria.
I just think it would be nice to be asked :-(

I also think that if MPs were forced to copy the Royal Family (where the Queen had a son fighting in the Falklands as a chopper pilot, and a grandson in Afghanistan,) then they might be a little more careful about what they did to other people's children.


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Jim | 22033 comments Andy wrote: "eastwood ( hang em high) wrote: "tony blair best prime minister we have ever had."

I think you'll find that accolade goes to Lord Palmerston. Or maybe Pitt the Elder.

http://www.youtube.com/wa..."


Actually our Best Prime Minister was the Earl of Bath, who was PM from 10 February to 12 February 1746. He was asked to form a government but was unable to find more than one person who would agree to serve in his cabinet. A satirist of the time wrote: "the minister to the astonishment of all wise men never transacted one rash thing; and, what is more marvellous, left as much money in the Treasury as he found in it."


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B J Burton (bjburton) | 2914 comments That's wonderful Jim. I've often thought that politicians should be judged on how little damage they do. The Earl of Bath gets my vote.


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Will Macmillan Jones (willmacmillanjones) | 11721 comments I'd vote for him again, myself.


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Andy Elliott | 1524 comments Will wrote: "I'd vote for him again, myself."

Who, The Earl of Bath? How old are you?


message 28: by Will (new)

Will Macmillan Jones (willmacmillanjones) | 11721 comments I've had so many re incarnations it's a little hard to be sure.


message 29: by Mo (new)

Mo (mobroon) | 797 comments The big trouble with diving in cack handed into Syria is, will we be helping our future"enemies"? We certainly did that in Iraq arming Sadaam Hussain against the Iranians and these weapons were used against us. I am aware that something needs done but how to do it ???


message 30: by Andy (new)

Andy Elliott | 1524 comments This government is getting a bit bloodthirsty. Badgers, internet porn, now Syria. Next thing they'll be taking on Jaffa Cakes again.


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R.M.F. Brown | 4128 comments Andy wrote: "This government is getting a bit bloodthirsty. Badgers, internet porn, now Syria. Next thing they'll be taking on Jaffa Cakes again."

Wish they'd take on Toblerone and the Swiss plan for world domination. Chocolate, especially that made in Switzerland, or inspired by Swiss style, is a major factor in the global obesity/diabetes epidemic. It's obvious that the healthy, muesli eating Swiss, are just waiting to inherit the world! Got that off my chest! :)


message 32: by Andy (last edited Aug 29, 2013 06:20AM) (new)

Andy Elliott | 1524 comments R.M.F wrote: " It's obvious that the healthy, muesli eating Swiss, are just waiting to inherit the world!..."

There's so much sugar in most Swiss muesli that their victory will be brief.


message 33: by B J (last edited Aug 29, 2013 09:07AM) (new)

B J Burton (bjburton) | 2914 comments I fear the worst. Russia has abandoned its naval base in Syria and pulled out all of its troops. I can only imagine that is to avoid conflict with the West. It leaves Iran as Assad's greatest supporter, which may well give the US the excuse it needs to take on Iran as well as the Shia in Syria. And we will see the strange position of the US being on the side of the Sunni Al-Qaeda group in the Syrian rebels.


message 34: by Andy (new)

Andy Elliott | 1524 comments Obama does seem to be increasingly hawkish. This isn't what Susan Sarandon and George Clooney said he'd be like at all!


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Will Macmillan Jones (willmacmillanjones) | 11721 comments I'm pleased to see tat Change.org has set up an petition urging non military intervention only.

Fighting will not solve anything. Never does, never has.


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Alan Hardy | 75 comments Forget about Syria...someone here is having a go at Switzerland? It's a paradise, beautiful cities, scenery, food, everything's so ordered, disciplined, civilised, an amazing blend of the new and the well-maintained old...the UK's not in the same league...Swiss society is much more egalitarian, not so rigidly class-structured as here. Let's forget though about the banks, despots' stashed-away gold, Nazi treasure, etc.


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Jim | 22033 comments Will wrote: "I'm pleased to see tat Change.org has set up an petition urging non military intervention only.

Fighting will not solve anything. Never does, never has."


Discuss that with the city fathers of Carthage :-(
Seriously, non-military intervention could be a death sentence for those who are sent in. We've seen what happens to aid workers in other parts of the world.

I'd prefer they just stayed out rather than sent people in to die just so we could feel superior and virtuous


Lynne (Tigger's Mum) | 5862 comments Very innovative the Swiss, with their euthanasia clinics and this week the opening of drive-in 'sex boxes.


message 39: by Andy (new)

Andy Elliott | 1524 comments Lynne (Tigger's Mum) wrote: "Very innovative the Swiss, with their euthanasia clinics and this week the opening of drive-in 'sex boxes."

I hope they're both clearly signposted (and at the very least the sex thingy is before the euthanasia one).


message 40: by Lynne (Tigger's Mum) (last edited Aug 29, 2013 02:11PM) (new)

Lynne (Tigger's Mum) | 5862 comments We are on the same wavelength Andy. - I imagine the international pictorial signs would be helpful.


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R.M.F. Brown | 4128 comments Alan wrote: "Forget about Syria...someone here is having a go at Switzerland? It's a paradise, beautiful cities, scenery, food, everything's so ordered, disciplined, civilised, an amazing blend of the new and t..."

And toblerone - unforgiveable! :)


message 42: by Alan (new)

Alan Hardy | 75 comments R.M.F wrote: "Andy wrote: "This government is getting a bit bloodthirsty. Badgers, internet porn, now Syria. Next thing they'll be taking on Jaffa Cakes again."

Wish they'd take on Toblerone and the Swiss plan ..."


Yeah, toblerone is nothing special, but Swiss chocolate in general (Lindt, etc) is out of this world compared to the rubbish you get here. Have you seen Swiss people? They're slim!!! And most English people don't eat Swiss chocolate, they eat effing Cadburys crap. That's why they're fat...plus all that Macdonalds, KFC, etc. all that other American fast food we eat here...that's another thing. Out in Switzerland, they eat proper Continental traditional food, and their fast food is traditional + superb.


message 43: by Jimmy (new)

Jimmy Rafferty (jimmyra) | 4 comments Stopping Chemical attacks in Syria is a very laudable idea, but HOW?
Do we bomb them? What targets? Will their leader care about a few more dead soldiers?
Do we invade them? That worked really well in Iraq?
Do we 'regime change'? That worked really well in Iraq?
The fall of Assad will almost certainly lead to the same kind of power struggle between Islamic groups as in Iraq, with ongoing slaughter, and a polarization of fundamentalist groups.
Leaving Assad in power will lead to more ongoing slaughter, and a polarization of fundamentalist groups.
What can we do that will improve the situation?
I certainly have no idea, and I doubt if the US foreign policy makers have either, given their past record.


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