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message 1: by Najibah, Penterjemah yang mencintai kata-kata (new)

Najibah Abu Bakar (najabakar) | 2843 comments Mod
Just wondering.... Or is it the language barrier?


message 2: by Isma (new)

Isma | 682 comments 1Malaysia...hahaha


message 3: by Najibah, Penterjemah yang mencintai kata-kata (new)

Najibah Abu Bakar (najabakar) | 2843 comments Mod
Yes Isma, that's the irony of it :)


message 4: by Wan (new)

Wan | 12 comments FT kata dalam harakah, pesta buku antarabangsa baru-baru ini tidak majmuk, apa kata kakak?


message 5: by Najibah, Penterjemah yang mencintai kata-kata (new)

Najibah Abu Bakar (najabakar) | 2843 comments Mod
Wan, bukan saja pesta buku, bahkan jualan buku dalam skala lebih kecil. Misalnya jualan gudang MPH, hanya beberapa kerat saja orang Melayu yang ke sana, selebihnya etnik India dan Cina.

Saya pun sedang mencari jawapan. Kita hidup dalam negara majmuk, berkongsi banyak perkara fizikal, tapi terpisah dari sudut emosi, jati diri dan banyak lagi.


message 6: by Wan (new)

Wan | 12 comments sudah jadi 3malaysia, bukan lagi 1


message 7: by Faizah Roslaini (last edited May 06, 2009 12:44AM) (new)

Faizah Roslaini | 825 comments Mod
Yalah. Bukan semua orang hendak menghunus dan mencium kerisss!!

(maaf terpolitik, byk ref. pada peristiwa keris dalam Ketupat)


message 8: by Saniah (new)

Saniah Mat | 163 comments Betullah tu Najibah.Masa saya pergi jualan gudang kat MPH hari tu memang rasanya kita sebenarnya terpisah dari sudut emosi tapi berkongsi dari sudut fizikal sahaja.





message 9: by Nakamura (new)

Nakamura | 37 comments Absolutely I agreed with u Saniah.....dr segi fizikal ramai yang membelek2 buku...macam bersemangat je nak memborong buku2...tapi last2 cuma yang lekat pen, pensel, notebook atau pun buku rujukan wajib bagi remaja dan kanak yang akan menghadapi exam...saya ada sekali berkunjung ke Popular Penang ramainya chinese yang membelek2 buku2 yang agak berat isi kandungan untuk dibaca...mungkin pendedahan drpd parents rasanya masyarakat kita pula lebih terarah pada komik dan majalah hiburan...namun persepsi sedemikian sukar untuk kita tafsirkan kerana setiap individu ada minat grend pembacaan yang tersendiri....kekadang pengaruh rakan juga banyak mempengaruhi minat membaca kita


message 10: by Nakamura (new)

Nakamura | 37 comments Absolutely I agreed with u Saniah.....dr segi fizikal ramai yang membelek2 buku...macam bersemangat je nak memborong buku2...tapi last2 cuma yang lekat pen, pensel, notebook atau pun buku rujukan wajib bagi remaja dan kanak yang akan menghadapi exam...saya ada sekali berkunjung ke Popular Penang ramainya chinese yang membelek2 buku2 yang agak berat isi kandungan untuk dibaca...mungkin pendedahan drpd parents rasanya masyarakat kita pula lebih terarah pada komik dan majalah hiburan...namun persepsi sedemikian sukar untuk kita tafsirkan kerana setiap individu ada minat grend pembacaan yang tersendiri....kekadang pengaruh rakan juga banyak mempengaruhi minat membaca kita


message 11: by Kay (new)

Kay han | 8 comments Oh, kita sejak skolah lg telah dipetak2kan....


message 12: by Azimah (last edited Sep 03, 2009 10:18AM) (new)

Azimah  Othman | 113 comments Saniah wrote: "Betullah tu Najibah.Masa saya pergi jualan gudang kat MPH hari tu memang rasanya kita sebenarnya terpisah dari sudut emosi tapi berkongsi dari sudut fizikal sahaja.
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TQ for mentioning this. Just the other day I was discussing with my hubby regarding the spiritual essence of racial harmony. The accent is on "spiritual". If it is there, there is no need to howler multitudes of slogans. The fact that to date the power that be is still shouting slogans every National Day etc, it isn't there. I came across this view while doing reserch many years ago while still in school during a preparation for an speech contest- part of the National Day celeberation activity. What would be your opinion? If you agree, how do you think racial harmony may be taken to a spiritual level?


message 13: by Azimah (last edited Sep 02, 2009 11:31PM) (new)

Azimah  Othman | 113 comments Nakamura wrote: "Absolutely I agreed with u Saniah.....dr segi fizikal ramai yang membelek2 buku...macam bersemangat je nak memborong buku2...tapi last2 cuma yang lekat pen, pensel, notebook atau pun buku rujukan w..."

Pilihan banyak bergantung kepada minat dan harga buku. Buku2 di Malaysia ni masih lagi mahal dan ini akan menjadi limitasi terutama sekali kepada remaja2.Difahamkan dinegeri seperti India, mereka cetak semula buku2 dalam bentuk yang lebih murah supaya lebih ramai rakyat boleh membelinya.

Semasa kecil, kanak2 didorong untuk membaca apapun...komik, Enid Blyton, dll. Apabila mereka membesar kita mahukan mereka lebih cenderong membaca genre yang boleh memberi manafaat seperti sejarah, sastera dll. Minat biasanya tertakluk kepada semangat ingin tahu. Masaalahnya ...ingin tahu apa? Some people love to know for the sake of knowledge itself. Some as a means to generate income.....all depends on your needs in life. We may be able to steer one's needs to a degree say, through some means of indoctrination by parents and teachers. In the end he makes his own selection.




message 14: by David (last edited Oct 13, 2009 05:53AM) (new)

David (aberrant80) | 19 comments Najibah wrote: "Where are our Chinese and Indian friends?"

Hi all! Newly migrated to GoodReads from GuruLib and newly joined this group.


message 15: by Kataklicik (new)

Kataklicik | 714 comments Hi David! Welcome, make yourself at home :D We've got a good bunch here, altho it's been kinda quiet since Ramadhan (mayhaps people are still lethargic from all that Raya spread teeheehee)


message 16: by Najibah, Penterjemah yang mencintai kata-kata (new)

Najibah Abu Bakar (najabakar) | 2843 comments Mod
Hamizao wrote: What would be your opinion? If you agree, how do you think racial harmony may be taken to a spiritual level?

Puan Hamizao, it's a difficult question to answer, tilting towards philosophical, and I still cannot answer it till today - I think the higher up someone is on the social ladder, the multiracial relations would be somewhat different in their eyes.

To be honest, I grew up in almost all-Malay community, never had Chinese and Indian friends (except exchanging a few lines of casual conversation at their shops or clinics) until I attend university. I do have Chinese teachers teaching music and English in primary, but the relationship was not that deep for me to make useful evaluation.

But I believe this matter is worth immersing our head into, because multiraciality and all the consequences of it's long history in Malaysia is a reality that everyone have to live by (like it or not).


message 17: by Najibah, Penterjemah yang mencintai kata-kata (new)

Najibah Abu Bakar (najabakar) | 2843 comments Mod
Hello David! Hope your voice as the first Chinese friend in GR (Malaysian nevertheless) will attract the others who are so quiet so far. Whenever there's only Malay around and no other ethnics, I always feel detached from Malaysian reality :)


message 18: by David (new)

David (aberrant80) | 19 comments I think ppl are quiet cos they just use this for collection aje, just add book, then forget about it. I just wan a place where I can search for what books I have - I bought books that I already owned a few times oredi >.<


message 19: by Kataklicik (new)

Kataklicik | 714 comments You and me both, bro! :D


message 20: by Najibah, Penterjemah yang mencintai kata-kata (new)

Najibah Abu Bakar (najabakar) | 2843 comments Mod
I thought they wanted to connect with other book-lovers from Malaysia also :D

BTW, have anyone tried LibraryThing? It's more organized and business-looking, have the feel of real library system, with some cost after we registered more than 200 books.


message 21: by Khairul Hezry, I hate people but not you. You, I like. (new)

Khairul Hezry | 2357 comments Mod
And that's why I never joined LibraryThing. It's not free. I was so happy when I found out about Goodreads from another forum. It's exactly what I wanted from an online book cataloging site.


message 22: by Najmuddin, Tok Mudin (new)

Najmuddin (mudin001) | 998 comments Mod
Yeah, I think Goodreads is the best at the moment. Better than Shelfari and LibraryThing.


message 23: by David (new)

David (aberrant80) | 19 comments LibraryThing has a lot of features though, but me too, din bother joining cos of the 200-book limit for free users.

This post compares a couple of them:

http://librarytwopointzero.blogspot.c...

May be a bit old, but some of it is still true. Look at the comments, there's a guy from LibraryThing there kinda of like "advertising" why LibraryThing is better (but his points are valid justification for them charging users I guess).


message 24: by Deviki (new)

Deviki | 182 comments HAH one indian joined in LOL
Now we got 1 malaysia
I'm itching to buy new books today but i just don't have the time !!!
Must get it tomorrow !!!


message 25: by Faizah Roslaini (new)

Faizah Roslaini | 825 comments Mod
Hi ya Deviki! Welcome to GR Malaysia!


message 26: by Deviki (new)

Deviki | 182 comments Hey Faizah ! Thanks and hope to enjoy topics shared here ...


message 27: by Nakamura (new)

Nakamura | 37 comments David and deviki..welcome to GR Malaysia too...


message 28: by Deviki (new)

Deviki | 182 comments thank you nakamura .....cheers!!!


message 29: by Aniashaari (new)

Aniashaari | 1 comments David wrote: "I think ppl are quiet cos they just use this for collection aje, just add book, then forget about it. I just wan a place where I can search for what books I have - I bought books that I already own..."

wah, ur collection must be heaps till u cant remember what u already have! bestnyaa :) me i'm actually 'missing' the books lent to others i dont remember, hmm




message 30: by David (last edited Nov 19, 2009 05:30PM) (new)

David (aberrant80) | 19 comments Yea, if you check to to-read, I have way too many books to read... I must stop visiting bookstores and actually read books :D I'm scared to lend books to others cos there one time I did and my friend practically split coffee onto it... I never lent that fella another book ever since.


message 31: by Azimah (last edited Nov 28, 2009 01:59AM) (new)

Azimah  Othman | 113 comments We don't normally lend our books to others too. If we have an extra copy, then we just give it to those interested. They just don't seem to take care of other people's books! And you know our books are so personal and we just cannot tahan if others deface, bend, put dog's ears.... Yes, I think we have enough books to read for now.


message 32: by Deviki (new)

Deviki | 182 comments Hamizao wrote: "We don't normally lend our books to others too. If we have an extra copy, then we just give it to those interested. They just don't seem to take care of other people's books! And you know our books..."

tell me about it ....another thing that really drives me nuts is when they put a new book open face down ....becoz they too darn lazy to go find a bookmark...gosh it ruins the book...guess what when they leave it a long time it won't close properly



message 33: by Azimah (new)

Azimah  Othman | 113 comments Yes, Deviki, it spoils the spine of the book. I normally just open a new book at 90 degrees only! I have many self made bookmarks. They are so easy to make.

So, Deviki, what is it that you'd like me to tell?


message 34: by Deviki (new)

Deviki | 182 comments noo "Tell me about it" is just a figure of speech...lol
Yeah me too ...new books = lots of rules !!! LOL it drives my cousins up the damm wall LOL


message 35: by Lionel (new)

Lionel (lionelw) | 2 comments Hi, salam 1Malaysia and all that! I migrated here from Facebook's Virtual Bookshelf app, of all places.

I'm Sino-Kadazan (means part Chinese part Kadazan) and by Sabah law a bumiputera, so hey! we can tick the "Other Bumiputera" checkbox too, haha.

Glad I found GR, and glad I found the Malaysian hangout corner :)


message 36: by Lionel (new)

Lionel (lionelw) | 2 comments Hamizao wrote: how do you think racial harmony may be taken to a spiritual level?

If I may, here's my input as a Sabahan. Where I come from, mixed marriages are very commonplace. Not just race but even religion poses no barrier to family ties. This is true in my family; I am non-Muslim but I have some Muslim relatives. No big deal, we're all very close.

This is why West Malaysian politicians like to praise East Malaysia as exemplars of racial harmony and the "spirit of 1Malaysia"... but then they forget about it and make no effort to learn or emulate how we do it. Let me tell you, West Malaysia still has a long way to go.

If you ask me, the secret is: relax, and see the things we have in common in each other. Like Najibah said kita berkongsi banyak perkara fizikal, but we do also share a lot dari sudut emosi, jati diri, etc. we just have to recognise them. The opposite is to be uptight, and only see differences.

I see racial politics and rising Islamisation in our country as the biggest root causes of this uptightness. You guys should read Syed Akbar Ali's Malaysia And The Club of Doom which is about how Malaysia is making the mistake of joining the club of "Islamic countries", which are doomed to fail because the mixing of religion and nation-state ultimately corrupts and ruins both, with examples from Saudi Arabia to Somalia to Pakistan. I just finished it last month.

I hope I didn't offend anyone... I'm sure you guys are okay folks. After all you guys are educated, and obviously read books :) and I can see that you guys care about unity. Kacang peace!


message 37: by Johnny (new)

Johnny B. Rempit (johnnyrempit) | 287 comments Welcome aboard! Glad you joined the group.

(BTW, I thought I was the only insomniac here.)

Hahaha...


message 38: by Najibah, Penterjemah yang mencintai kata-kata (last edited Feb 19, 2010 03:22PM) (new)

Najibah Abu Bakar (najabakar) | 2843 comments Mod
Lionel,

You're most welcome here :) - although I have to admit I'm a proponent of an Islamic state (I believe there'll be a way around all the challenges/problems that other Islamic states have faced in their very existence), I'd rather celebrate similarity among us as humans, rather than emphasizing on the differences/conflicts. But of course the above is my personal opinion, not other Goodreaders here.

And it's interesting you mention about East Malaysia's unity btw religion/races, never been there, but yes, it's interesting and would like to know more about it. Any books about it that you can suggest?


message 39: by Khairul Hezry, I hate people but not you. You, I like. (last edited Feb 19, 2010 06:14PM) (new)

Khairul Hezry | 2357 comments Mod
Lionel, Malaysia is making a mistake by 'mixing' secular thinking with Islamic-style governance. Secularism and Islam cannot mix since both ideas oppose each other. Seriously, you think the folks at Putrajaya know anything about Islam? My 6 yr old daughter know more about Islam than them.

BTW, I'm also from Sabah (mother's side) but I grew up in Selangor. So I can swear in at least three languages: malay, dusun and english. YAY ME!


message 40: by Deviki (new)

Deviki | 182 comments Hola Lionel....nice of you to join this group....
Lots of good updates from members here ...


message 41: by Aidura (new)

Aidura (sofira) | 1472 comments Lionel,

Welcome to GR-MY group, bro.

Aramaiti... ;)


message 42: by Cafiena (new)

Cafiena | 8 comments interesting question and interesting answer.. i wonder why our government never consider other multi ethnic country such as Turkey.

in 100 years perhaps we grew up become like 2010 america, or 2010 indonesia.. hurmm..i dont want any of both, i hope for malaysia with less corruptions and more readers!! and more interesting conversations.

im srwakian living in penang. what i see in penang and srwak is totally different view. i have a Chinese friend whose social circle never overlap with Malays, and vice versa. its like they live in two different world and yet next to each other.
(b.t.w, not all of them)

in Sarawak, many people who is not Iban can speak Iban. (not all of them too! word: many)

yes, there may be differences, and there are similarities, im not gonna say that put our differences away will work, but somehow, there is some kind of knowledge that being nurture by our elders is still there.

it is sad to see, when people met other races, they are puzzle and sometime annoy by what they do.

its like someone who annoy by baby crying, once one understand that baby have to cry to help their lung growth and to tell us that she/he is hungry or not comfortable, then we dont get annoy by the cry, cause baby have to do so to grow up.

its like someone who annoy by the fact the one have to eat (perhaps because food consume money, or get fat by eating?), once one understand that, that is how human gain energy, then one will realise without eating one can starve or suffer gastric.

this kind of understandings/knowledge will answer why they do difference thing than us. when we understand, that what they do, is of what they believe, we will see ,that what we do is of what we believe. back to basic, all of us here are human. and they too!

im dare to say this, because among us, readers, i believe we have a big world ahead of us, where differences is how people live their life, and yet there are still human, just like us.

its lengthy, and i hope i didnt offend anyone.


message 43: by Azimah (new)

Azimah  Othman | 113 comments Lionel,

I have been having a long sojourn at Facebook and am now finding so much to catch up with here on GR. Welcome to you and other newbies.

Indeed you have taken the words from my mouth. Jus as Najibah, I prefer to dwell on our shared values. It is less complicated that way.


message 44: by Najibah, Penterjemah yang mencintai kata-kata (last edited Mar 09, 2010 08:07PM) (new)

Najibah Abu Bakar (najabakar) | 2843 comments Mod
Cafiena, welcome to GR-MY - you must be a coffee-lover, no? :)

Good to know your opinion above. I think we can emphasize on those ideas here at GR, to turn it into a forum where we can accept and learn about each others differences - and the fact that we are a bunch of readers, should mark a difference from those who are easily carried away when the issue of races/religion are discussed.

yes, there may be differences, and there are similarities, im not gonna say that put our differences away will work, but somehow, there is some kind of knowledge that being nurture by our elders is still there.

And my idea about shared interest, does not mean that we should swept away differences under the carpet/mat. Maybe we can even begin here, to see into the differences in a more lighthearted but intellectual ways.


message 45: by Yin Chien (last edited Mar 29, 2010 07:55AM) (new)

Yin Chien 인첸 (aikchien) Hi, can anyone tell me where can I get this book:
Rahsia Agenda Alam Hitam: Kelahiran Mufrad

It sounds really interesting! I've always liked the story Raja Bersiung. Thanks in advance!


message 46: by Faizah Roslaini (new)

Faizah Roslaini | 825 comments Mod
Aik wrote: "Hi, can anyone tell me where can I get this book:
Rahsia Agenda Alam Hitam: Kelahiran Mufrad

It sounds really interesting! I've always liked the story Raja Bersiung. Thanks in advance!"


Hi. Saya mendapatkan naskah saya di sini:
http://www.alrakhie.com/

Hubungi terus penulisnya dan buku anda juga akan ditandatangan.


message 47: by Yin Chien (new)

Yin Chien 인첸 (aikchien) Thanks, Faizah!


message 48: by Norabaha (new)

Norabaha Rudin | 24 comments @Aik dan Faizah: Kalau dah baca buku "Rahsia Agenda Alam Hitam itu" jangan lupa cari sambungannya oleh penulis yang sama. Saya dah baca kedua-duanya. Ada gabungan cerita seram dari nusantara hingga Eropah ...spt dalam filem Inggeris pun ada spt werewolf dan vampire. Ceritanya menarik dan seram juga, Issh.. kalaulah ada orang yang amalkan ilmu-ilmu yang pelik ni dalam masyarakat sekarang, adakah hero yang istimewa dilahirkan untuk menentang kejahatan macam tu. Oklah ...baca dulu baru tahu ceritanya.


message 49: by Norabaha (new)

Norabaha Rudin | 24 comments @Najibah: Malaysia memang ada satu saja tapi penduduk yang pelbagai kaum tidak semuanya dapat bekerjasama. Sikap dan pemikiran yang jauh berbeza menyebabkan wujud jurang yang besar. Di samping itu, kalau satu kaum mampu berlari 100 meter dalam 20 saat dan yang satu lagi masih takut-takut untuk berlari, macam mana nak kerja dalam satu team. Bahasa bukan jurang ... asalkan saling memahami mesej yang ingin di sampaikan. Walau bagaimanapun kenalah cari satu bentuk komunikasi yang boleh difahami bagi kedua-dua pihak.


message 50: by Najibah, Penterjemah yang mencintai kata-kata (new)

Najibah Abu Bakar (najabakar) | 2843 comments Mod
Puan Norabaha,

Ya, jurang itu saya sendiri pun masih belajar untuk merapatkan. Dan saya percaya dan menyokong, kita harus punya hanya satu bahasa dalam segala urusan rasmi :)


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