Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone (Harry Potter, #1) Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone discussion


143 views
A few questions please........

Comments Showing 1-22 of 22 (22 new)    post a comment »
dateDown arrow    newest »

message 1: by Gargs (last edited Jun 11, 2013 12:37PM) (new)

Gargs Its been quiet long since I read the book but there's something I want to ask now.
Naturally, every wizard born child is supposed to receive an acceptance letter from Hogwarts. In case the acceptance letter goes unread by the child as in case of Harry, how come Hogwarts is able tell whether the the letter has been read by the child or not ? I mean Harry received further letters from Hogwarts because that one went unread by him. Also, how come Hogwarts is able to determine the reason behind letter being unread, as it is evident from the incidence where Harry received hundreds of letters. I mean, the letter was intercepted by his muggle relatives. So, someone(probably the headmaster or the headmistress) must have realized that and then cast that nasty magic. Also, what happens in case the child is dead already ?
Note - My memory is a bit fizzy, so please correct me if anything up there is wrong or whatever.


Taygus well, Harry was being watched anyway. So that might have something to do with it.

A child dead obviously won't get a letter as hogwarts would have access to this (via deathcerts) so yeah.


message 3: by Gargs (new)

Gargs Looking wrote: "well, Harry was being watched anyway. So that might have something to do with it.

A child dead obviously won't get a letter as hogwarts would have access to this (via deathcerts) so yeah."

And what happens in a case where the wizard-born is living with muggles ? I mean he is an orphan. I bet a letter is simply not convincing.


message 4: by Gargs (new)

Gargs Also, what happens if the child is out of Britain at the moment when the letter is sent ?


message 5: by Nae (new) - rated it 5 stars

Nae Hogwarts has a fund for witches and wizards who can't afford supplies and Tom still had to buy all of his stuff second hand


message 6: by Gargs (new)

Gargs Well, even if we assume that the quill crosses out the name as they are read and suppose Harry did read the letter, then how come he was supposed to buy all the stuff and guide him, since neither him nor his relatives know much about the wizarding world ? Then what's the point of sending Harry a letter when there's no one to guide him. Its not fair in my opinion. Harry just got lucky. But then all other wizard-born children like Harry are not getting a fair chance.


Jeni Well, magic, of course! Professor McGonagall has a book with a magic quill that adds names when a magical child is born. (Probably not unlike Delores Umbridge's quill, only with less scarring. haha)

Tom Riddle was a magical orphan living in a muggle orphanage and Professor McGonagall's quill put his name in the book to be offered a place at Hogwart's so Dumbledore fetched him. I think it's safe to assume that in tricky living situations, Dumbledore would arrive, explain he's the headmaster of a school where the child has a scholarship, then take him to London-or send someone to do that like Hagrid escorted Harry.

There are funds for children with little or no income in the form of scholarships and things.

If you're out of the country and you're a muggle, your mail is still waiting when you return. Same with magic post. Additionally, Harry's Hogwart's letters always arrived wherever he was, whether at the Burrow or the Leaky Cauldron.

If you're a muggle with a magical child, there are money exchange goblins in the bank as evidenced by Hermione's parents changing pounds to galleons in the third or fourth book (I don't recall which). Dumbledore will also meet with the parents to explain what's going on.

As for having to be rich, the Weasley's definitely were not. In fact, they would spend all year scrimping (growing their own food, making their own clothes, etc.) so their children would be able to have what they need for school and even then it's usually second-hand.

When Harry and Ron don't have potions books or materials in the sixth book, they are offered what is in the cupboard in the class.

If a wizard child dies before their 11th birthday, they will not receive a posthumous invitation to school because the quill knows.

If a letter goes unread, they will get another until they do read it. There were thousands of letters in the Dursley household because he wasn't allowed to read it.

It's magic!!


message 8: by Gargs (new)

Gargs Jeni wrote: "Well, magic, of course! Professor McGonagall has a book with a magic quill that adds names when a magical child is born. (Probably not unlike Delores Umbridge's quill, only with less scarring. ha..."
I agree with you but why would Hogwarts send a letter to Harry when he doesn't know anything about the wizarding world in the first place. I mean they should have sent a messenger. Yes, Hagrid did come. But it was because his letters were intercepted by the Dursleys. They should have sent Hagrid earlier. What's the point of sending the letter ?


Jeni It doesn't matter if he knows or not, he was born magical and Hogwart's wants all magical children to have schooling available to them.

The Dursleys knew he was magical, had a letter from Dumbledore explaining he was magical and why he was being left with them, and even Petunia wanted to go to Hogwart's with Lily.

It's also important to realize that in Britain, tradition is very important and boarding schools are a big deal. The tradition is an invitation of acceptance via letter. Kind of like an acceptance letter from the college of your choice in a digital age.


message 10: by Gargs (new)

Gargs Jeni wrote: "It doesn't matter if he knows or not, he was born magical and Hogwart's wants all magical children to have schooling available to them.

The Dursleys knew he was magical, had a letter from Dumbled..."

Fine, I agree that the letter thing is tradition. But lets just consider a situation where Dursleys are good people and don't know anything about magic. Just suppose. And, BY TRADITION, Harry receives a letter. He reads the letter but they have no idea what this is all about. What then? And even if Dursleys knew about magic but were still good people and agree to send Harry to Hogwarts, how is he supposed to go there without the assistance of a wizard ? Will Hogwarts really send someone afterwards ? But if someone has to come, why not send the letter along with him ? Just like they do with muggle-borns. The tradition is still kept intact. I bet there are other children like Harry. What about them ? If Hogwarts really wants to ensure the schooling of every child magical child in Britain, then why send a letter to children like Harry ? Why not simply send a messenger with the letter, who can not only deal with the muggle parents or guardian but also guide the child to the world of magic. In case of Tom Riddle, its understandable since he was already living in an orphanage, Hogwarts would know he is an orphan. So instead of sending a stupid letter to the orphanage, they sent Dumbledore with the letter. But its a completely different situation in case of Harry.


message 11: by Jeni (new) - rated it 5 stars

Jeni Yes, the letter would still be sent. Hermione got one and her parents were visited afterward for further explanation and instruction on getting to Diagon Alley and Gringott's services, etc.

Also, there may be a tad bit of over-thinking on this and I feel like I'm upsetting you, which is really not my intention.

I popped around a few sites to see if there was a better way to say what I'm thinking and they all referenced a scene between Snape and Lily where she asks if all letters come by owl and he says that they usually do, but since her parents are muggles, someone will have to come explain.

My only conclusion is that the assumption was made that since the Dursleys knew about it, they wouldn't make it difficult, so a letter was sent by owl. When they kept Harry from the letter, Hagrid was sent.


message 12: by Gargs (new)

Gargs Jeni wrote: "Yes, the letter would still be sent. Hermione got one and her parents were visited afterward for further explanation and instruction on getting to Diagon Alley and Gringott's services, etc.

Als..."

You do make a point. But again lets just say that Hogwarts would have to send someone later to guide Harry. Even in such a case, Harry still needs to send a letter to Hogwarts by July 31 and even that by owl. How was he gonna do that ? I mean the letter clearly states it.


message 13: by Jeni (new) - rated it 5 stars

Jeni Well, I'm a bit unclear how the owls always know where everyone is anyway. I'm guessing that if it's necessary to send someone to help, that person will either return with the person's declining letter, or they return with the person.

Replying by owl would be the preferred method for the wizards that know about Hogwart's and use that method of communication normally anyway.


message 14: by Gargs (last edited Jun 14, 2013 02:15AM) (new)

Gargs Jeni wrote: "Well, I'm a bit unclear how the owls always know where everyone is anyway. I'm guessing that if it's necessary to send someone to help, that person will either return with the person's declining l..."
Ok. And one last thing if you don't mind. I'm sorry for dragging this topic. Is it like Hogwarts was expecting Harry's letter by July 31 and later they were going to send someone to guide him out. The Dursleys knew about the wizarding world. So there was no need to explain anything to them. Its just that Harry needed to be guided but that could be done later. I mean a few days later, considering that the term begins on September 1. Maybe Hogwarts wanted Harry to reply to their letter by July 31(since the letters came till 30th July) and later they were gonna send someone. The kid needs to be guided afterall. But since his letters were intercepted by the Dursleys, they sent Hagrid to deliver the letter as well as to guide him. Do you think it went like this ?


message 15: by Jeni (new) - rated it 5 stars

Jeni I think the form letter asks everyone for a response by owl by July 31. This is so they can plan classes and the like. It's quite possible that some children take a year to travel or attend another wizarding school, so knowing who will be there is important. Malfoy even says at some point his father had considered sending him to Durmstrang.

I think Harry is unique in that Dumbledore is very keen to protect him from Voldemort. He's the Boy That Lived, after all! It was quite clear to him that the Dursleys were "the worst kind of muggles," (as Professor McGonagall says).

I'm sure Hagrid was in the wings waiting to be sent to fetch Harry on the off-chance Voldemort or one of his followers might try something. If the Dursleys had just sent Harry on to King's Cross Station, I'm pretty confident that Hagrid would have been there to meet him.

I hope that answers your question?


message 16: by Gargs (new)

Gargs Jeni wrote: "I think the form letter asks everyone for a response by owl by July 31. This is so they can plan classes and the like. It's quite possible that some children take a year to travel or attend anoth..."
Thanks but you could have simply said yes. Anyway, have a good day.


message 17: by Jeni (new) - rated it 5 stars

Jeni Gargs wrote: "Thanks but you could have simply said yes. Anyway, have a good day."

Oh well, I just tried to be thorough so your question would be answered completely. And thanks, I'm having a great day.


message 18: by Gargs (new)

Gargs Jeni wrote: "Gargs wrote: "Thanks but you could have simply said yes. Anyway, have a good day."

Oh well, I just tried to be thorough so your question would be answered completely. And thanks, I'm having a gre..."

By the way, I am sorry for eating your brains out. Kinda have this unusual curiosity.


Sophie Magic? Since the series is all about magic, after all. Or that's just me.


Edgar Guzman Gargs wrote: "Its been quiet long since I read the book but there's something I want to ask now.
Naturally, every wizard born child is supposed to receive an acceptance letter from Hogwarts. In case the accepta..."


not every wizard born is supposed to recieve an acceptance letter from hogwarts, as other wizards live closer to other schools like Durmstrang. magic would probably be the best explaniation to how they know a child has not read the letter. just like some other mesengers, when you send a message it may say wether or not the reciever read it. magic would also be a solution to seeing how the letter is not being read by the child. if a child is dead then they would probably know that and stop sending letters to go to school. children under 11 that die would probably not even get the first letter since they still werent of age to go to their first year of wizard school


Emily Fuller I think it says in the books that Muggle borns are always visited by teachers after the letter to explain, and it explains about the trace in the later books, maybe it's got something to do with that???


Chris Bumpas Obviously they know it wasn't read because a read-receipt wasn't sent.


back to top