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message 1: by Misfit (new)

Misfit | 1139 comments Mod
OK, the book came today although I don't know when I'll get to it. The cover is priceless, you can see it here, http://www.fantasticfiction.co.uk/s/a...

On the back cover,

"When the beautiful Margaret of Anjou married King Henry VI of England, she was a virgin who longed for love, power, wealth, and a son.

Though her husband could satisfy none of her desires, there were others at court who could....

Under her banner of the dangerous, passionate red rose, she drew men to her, to fight and die for her, never losing her fierce ambition, never satisfied with less than all. And as the Wars of the Roses loomed, she rode among her troops, rallying her 'lions' to the glorious cause....."



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Ikonopeiston (Ikon) | 385 comments That cursed red rose! Will someone make a final statement on when all the WOTR stuff started? I have heard that the civil war was only dubbed Wars of the Roses late in the sixteenth century. Besides, surely Marguerite would have used a marguerite as her personal badge. All this makes my head hurt and the cover of the book did not help any. What a brave young lioness...


message 3: by Susan (new)

Susan (boswellbaxter) | 418 comments Well, if you don't get a chance to read it right away, at least treat yourself to chapter 13. It's one of the highlights.

My understanding is that Sir Walter Scott invented the term "Wars of the Roses" in his 1829 novel Anne of Geierstein.


message 4: by Ikonopeiston (new)

Ikonopeiston (Ikon) | 385 comments Thank you, Susan. When did the red rose become a Lancastrian badge?


message 5: by Misfit (new)

Misfit | 1139 comments Mod
Susan wrote: "Well, if you don't get a chance to read it right away, at least treat yourself to chapter 13. It's one of the highlights.

My understanding is that Sir Walter Scott invented the term "Wars of the R..."


Will do, but not tonight. Book is in car, knee is screaming from the extra work I've been putting it through. No more going up and down a flight of stairs tonight.

I'm not all that up to snuff on Margaret so I might be coming back with questions.




message 6: by Tanzanite (new)

Tanzanite | 36 comments I have this one - same cover too.


message 7: by Misfit (new)

Misfit | 1139 comments Mod
A quote from Chapter 13,

"For Brezé had also served in the East, in his youth, and had long abandoned the Christian way of Love. Thus he made me kneel, my buttocks locked against his groin like some bitch on heat - but this I was, at that moment - while he seemed to impale me to my very stomach. All the while his hands were caressing my breasts until he took them away to grasp my hams until we shared a mutual explosion of joy - my second of the evening - in which I cried out my lubricious happiness and no doubt alarmed my ladies in the next room."


message 8: by Susan (new)

Susan (boswellbaxter) | 418 comments There's an equally memorable scene where Margaret meets Mary of Scotland. Just you wait!


message 9: by Misfit (last edited Apr 24, 2009 07:07AM) (new)

Misfit | 1139 comments Mod
Believe me, I can wait. Although I'm guessing that it might end up on the Shelf of Shame as well?


message 10: by Susan (new)

Susan (boswellbaxter) | 418 comments Oh, indeedy.


message 11: by Misfit (new)

Misfit | 1139 comments Mod
Weeeee. That might distract me from housework when I get home today.


message 12: by Tanzanite (new)

Tanzanite | 36 comments "lubricious happiness"? - ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!


message 13: by Ikonopeiston (new)

Ikonopeiston (Ikon) | 385 comments Oh dear, my imagination just curled up into the fetal position and started sucking its thumb.


message 14: by Misfit (last edited Apr 24, 2009 09:38AM) (new)

Misfit | 1139 comments Mod
Its too bad the thing is so expensive to find used. Might make for an entertaining group read no?


message 15: by MAP (new)

MAP | 181 comments Some part of me just died, reading that.


Susanna - Censored by GoodReads (SusannaG) Snort, snort, snort!


message 17: by Barb (new)

Barb | 145 comments LOL!
:0)


message 18: by Susan (new)

Susan (boswellbaxter) | 418 comments Because it's Friday, here's part of the scene where Margaret meets Mary:

[Mary:] then, there being a roaring fire in the grate, proceeded to remove every last vestige of her clothing while I watched in amazement, coupled with some envy at the revealing of so much feminine pulchritude, for she possessed an excess of everything, even pubic hair. Naked, she then proceeded to roll about on her bed in a most lascivious fashion until, discovering me watching her with some apprehension, she sat up in a cloud of golden threads, and said, somewhat defensively, "It warms me up. Why do you not do the same, sweet Meg?" . . .

. . . I could see nothing wrong in adopting her suggestion, and to roll about her bed naked in front of the fire was indeed warming, rapidly made the more so as Mary then resumed her rolling as well.



message 19: by Ikonopeiston (new)

Ikonopeiston (Ikon) | 385 comments This reminds me of that scene from "Young Frankenstein". 'Roll, roll, roll in the hay!'


message 20: by Misfit (new)

Misfit | 1139 comments Mod
Oh. My. God. WTF was he thinking writing crap like that? He's making PG seem like Santa Claus and the Tooth Fairy.


message 21: by Barb (new)

Barb | 145 comments I think he must have been laughing is a** off writing that crap, don't you think...it's very amusing!


message 22: by Susan (last edited Apr 24, 2009 11:54AM) (new)

Susan (boswellbaxter) | 418 comments For more in the same spirit and in the WOTR time period, but from a different author, here's a link for you. There are several other "Porntagenet" posts if you wish to sample it more deeply.

http://community.livejournal.com/plan...


message 23: by Misfit (new)

Misfit | 1139 comments Mod
I recall several years ago I considered reading Posie what's her name's books before I knew much about Henry VI. Kind of hard to picture him having an affair resulting in an illegitimate child isn't it?

Wonder what the rest of Savage's books are like or what they're about? Here's a bit on him from Fantastic fiction, http://www.fantasticfiction.co.uk/n/c...


message 24: by Susan (new)

Susan (boswellbaxter) | 418 comments He's written some other historical fiction about women that I understand is in the same vein. I think he's done one on Eleanor of Aquitaine, but I could be wrong.

What's really rather irritating that if you take the over-the-top sex away, he actually seems to have done solid research for the Margaret of Anjou novel. If he didn't insist on having her bonk every man, woman, and boy who comes within two feet of her, it could have been a good novel.


message 25: by MAP (new)

MAP | 181 comments Maybe it's all tongue in cheek? I have a hard time believing this stuff was written with deadly earnest.


message 26: by Susan (new)

Susan (boswellbaxter) | 418 comments I'm tempted to think it was, but it seems to have been marketed as straight historical fiction, judging from the cover and the back cover copy. Maybe it was one of those jokes that his fans were "in" on and no one else was intended to be.


message 27: by Misfit (new)

Misfit | 1139 comments Mod
Susan's right. I took a look at the inside flaps as well, it mentions the author's interest in history plus there are several pages of charts for the House of Lancaster, York, Neville, etc. You don't usually find that in a tongue in cheek romance. It looks like it was published in 1994. Were we that antiquated and ignorant back then? The 70's and 80's were the real days of the bodice rippers weren't they?


message 28: by Misfit (new)

Misfit | 1139 comments Mod
Ummmm, is this supposed to be funny or is it unintentional?


message 29: by Susan (new)

Susan (boswellbaxter) | 418 comments I think it was written for an audience of teenage boys who could say, "Look, Mom, I'm reading a book during summer vacation, just like you told me to!," but could then add to themselves, "And it has lots of sex in it!"


message 30: by Misfit (new)

Misfit | 1139 comments Mod
Aiyee! Her and 30 year old Suffolk lusting after each other (a 14 year old girl???), plus I loved the bit about the doctor examing her and her well developed breasts whilst she had chicken pox. Imagine reflecting back on your life and remembering the doctor and your well developed breasts.

And I'm not even on page 60. The hither and thithers are driving me nuts though.


message 31: by Susan C (new)

Susan C (somersetpurplegmailcom) | 40 comments You all are a hoot!! I've laughed continually while reading through your posts. Thanks for the good cheer to my morning!


message 32: by Misfit (new)

Misfit | 1139 comments Mod
Keep an eye on this thread and/or my review. I have every intention of sharing the choicest moments with you all.


message 33: by Joan (new)

Joan Szechtman | 401 comments This thread is a hoot! I feel like I'm in the equivalent of a MST3K (Mystery Science Theater 3000) show watching a very bad movie. Where are Mike, Tom, Crow, and Gypsy when you need them?


message 34: by Misfit (new)

Misfit | 1139 comments Mod
Joan, this book is kind of expensive on this side of the pond, but it looks cheaper in the UK. Maybe you can pick up a few copies to share the love?




message 35: by Susan (new)

Susan (boswellbaxter) | 418 comments Misfit, do reserve some mental energy for the last scenes in Chapter 13, beginning with Margaret's dance.

I still think the author missed a great opportunity here by not letting Margaret get it on with the young Richard, Duke of Gloucester. Or maybe with Gloucester and Clarence.


message 36: by Joan (new)

Joan Szechtman | 401 comments Misfit wrote: "Joan, this book is kind of expensive on this side of the pond, but it looks cheaper in the UK. Maybe you can pick up a few copies to share the love?"

Sure, if I happen to see it when I'm in a bookstore--but I won't spend more than the equivalent of a couple of dollars for a copy.


message 37: by Misfit (last edited Aug 12, 2009 09:31AM) (new)

Misfit | 1139 comments Mod
Let's see if anyone else is dumb enough to want to read this. It's shaping up to be almost (but not quite) as bad as The Tudor Vampire Book. I feel duty bound to finish it and post a review to save others from the torture.


message 38: by Barb (new)

Barb | 145 comments LOL!
:0)
Thanks for being our lab rat!


message 39: by Joan (new)

Joan Szechtman | 401 comments Let me know if it's even worth spending 2 bucks on it. :p


message 40: by Brian (new)

Brian (BrianWainwright) | 149 comments I think this book is like one of those 'special' cheeses. You either love it or hate it, and even if you love it you wouldn't want to read it every week. I suspect it was written tongue-in-cheek and should be read the same way. But I can understand why some folk would hate it, or even find it quite offensive. It's certainly a tad gross in parts, even allowing for the tongue-in-cheek. By the way, anyone who dislikes this one should definitely avoid Queen of Night about Joanna of Naples as it's in the same style but the gross bits are grosser!


message 41: by Misfit (new)

Misfit | 1139 comments Mod
Books like this I like to read for fun and the purple prose thread at European Royalty :o

It appears he's written a book on Eleanor of Acquitaine and I've just found a hilarious review on Amazon. I'll try for an ILL or through Paperbackswap, it's too rich for my blood.

http://www.amazon.com/Eleanor-Aquitai...


message 42: by Susan C (new)

Susan C (somersetpurplegmailcom) | 40 comments Misfit wrote: "Books like this I like to read for fun and the purple prose thread at European Royalty :o

It appears he's written a book on Eleanor of Acquitaine and I've just found a hilarious review on Amazon..."


I'm so glad to see that you also use paperbackswap. It's a great way to get rid of books that aren't keepers and get othersin exchange. I especially like to use it, if I've found a new series and want some of the books that came before.


message 43: by Misfit (new)

Misfit | 1139 comments Mod
I just started so I'm sending out more then is coming in. I have a few Gellis books I'd like to get once I get my credits posted.


message 44: by Susan C (new)

Susan C (somersetpurplegmailcom) | 40 comments I'm lazy and use their postage so I get instant credits. It's hard to guess what people want. I wish there was a page where you could look at everyone's wish list at once. I might read a certain book instead of another, if I saw someone wanted it and that I could get one in return.


message 45: by Misfit (last edited Aug 15, 2009 09:55AM) (new)

Misfit | 1139 comments Mod
Page #132,

"I was also being confronted with the evidence of his lust, which, unprotected by any codpiece, was simply enourmous, far larger in every way than dear Henry. I had been rather taken aback at the sight of it even before he had carried me to the bed. Now it was banging away at my groin and thighs as it sought an entry...and all of a sudden I was not sure that I wished to recieve it."

Are there an awful lot of commas in the first sentence? Or is it just me?


message 46: by Susan (new)

Susan (boswellbaxter) | 418 comments Our girl Margaret's being confronted with that huge, banging object and you're worrying about commas? :)


message 47: by Tanzanite (new)

Tanzanite | 36 comments OMG - I just snorted my drink when I read that Susan!


message 48: by Misfit (new)

Misfit | 1139 comments Mod
Maybe we should have a finish your beverage so you don't destroy your monitor warning for the rest of this thread? I promise you there is more coming.

I can't wait to read the two on Eleanor of Aquitaine.


message 49: by Susan C (last edited Aug 14, 2009 03:45PM) (new)

Susan C (somersetpurplegmailcom) | 40 comments This thread gives me such joy and laughter! Both good for the soul.:)


message 50: by Joan (new)

Joan Szechtman | 401 comments Definitely a MST3K encounter. *Poor Margret*


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