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message 1: by Brenda, Aussie Authors Queen (new)

Brenda | 60298 comments Mod
A new venture by Goodreads founder Otis, and his wife Elizabeth. Read the blog post, then go to the link for the press release...

http://www.goodreads.com/blog/show/41...


message 2: by Phrynne, I love to read:) (new)

Phrynne | 7505 comments Mod
Judging by the comments it is not a popular move.


message 3: by Dean (new)

Dean MacAllister (DeanMacallister) Will probably just make this site more commercial. Good for some, not for others.


message 4: by Brenda, Aussie Authors Queen (new)

Brenda | 60298 comments Mod
It's hard to know what will happen. I just hope Goodreads doesn't change from what it is now.


message 5: by Michael (new)

Michael (MichaelSwensson) | 10527 comments I dont know BD was taken over and they have pretty much stayed there usual self. I will wait and see how it goes before drawing to any conclusions.


message 6: by Brenda, Aussie Authors Queen (new)

Brenda | 60298 comments Mod
I think that's all we can do Michael. There are definitely good parts of it, and hopefully, as Otis says, it will stay the way it has been, with improvements as well maybe:)


message 7: by Michael (last edited Mar 28, 2013 05:18PM) (new)

Michael (MichaelSwensson) | 10527 comments As long as it remains the same with the groups and books then it wont bother me too much. Being a Kindle owner i will be interested to see if what intergration will be done. :)


message 8: by Michael (new)

Michael (MichaelSwensson) | 10527 comments http://www.engadget.com/2013/03/28/am...

Alot of mixed feelings on this one.


message 9: by Phrynne, I love to read:) (new)

Phrynne | 7505 comments Mod
You are right about BD Michael. I thought the free postage would be the first thing to go but it still hasn't.


message 10: by Sally906, the traveller (last edited Mar 28, 2013 05:48PM) (new)

Sally906 | 6378 comments Mod
Didn't they just separate from Amazon?

There was all that kerfuffle about our book covers disappearing if we had used amazon ones?

Happy to wait and see.


message 11: by Brenda, Aussie Authors Queen (new)

Brenda | 60298 comments Mod
Yes you're right Sally, that was January last year, and all of us librarians had to find alternate covers for the books that had had covers sourced from Amazon!


message 12: by Brenda, Aussie Authors Queen (new)

Brenda | 60298 comments Mod
Michael wrote: "http://www.engadget.com/2013/03/28/am...

Alot of mixed feelings on this one."


Thanks for that link Michael:)


message 13: by Brenda, Aussie Authors Queen (new)

Brenda | 60298 comments Mod
Here's what's going on on Facebook...Goodreads is responding to comments there...

https://www.facebook.com/Goodreads/po...


message 14: by Phrynne, I love to read:) (new)

Phrynne | 7505 comments Mod
Brenda wrote: "Here's what's going on on Facebook...Goodreads is responding to comments there...

https://www.facebook.com/Goodreads/po..."


Wow! People are upset. But I think deleting your account without waiting to see what happens is a bit overly dramatic.


message 15: by Steve (new)

Steve | 800 comments A lot of it seems to be animosity towards Amazon, not the announcement itself. Which is just people venting in an inappropriate place. As a Kindle owner, I wait to see what happens, but as Brenda says, I hope they don't change.


message 16: by Brenda, Aussie Authors Queen (last edited Mar 28, 2013 06:46PM) (new)

Brenda | 60298 comments Mod
Phrynne wrote: "Brenda wrote: "Here's what's going on on Facebook...Goodreads is responding to comments there...

https://www.facebook.com/Goodreads/po......"


Yes I agree. We need to sit on the sidelines and watch and wait:)


message 17: by Sharon (last edited Mar 28, 2013 06:52PM) (new)

Sharon Robards (SharonRobards) | 944 comments Guys, hopefully the culture here won't change, nor the ability to review and rate books from all sellers. If it were to ever to be limited to only Amazon sold books, it would no longer be goodreads.


message 18: by Michael (new)

Michael (MichaelSwensson) | 10527 comments There is alot of negativity here too at the feedback thread. http://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/1...

I can understand to a degree with the way Shelfari went after being taken over by Amazon and librarians being peeved after removing Amazon data only to have it return. I do think it's a bit over dramatic to be deleting accounts when nothing has been done so far.


message 19: by Brenda, Aussie Authors Queen (new)

Brenda | 60298 comments Mod
That's right Sharon...but the review sharing is the biggest concern by the majority. I'm just reading through this thread now... http://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/1...


message 20: by Brenda, Aussie Authors Queen (new)

Brenda | 60298 comments Mod
SNAP Michael;P


message 21: by Sharon (new)

Sharon Robards (SharonRobards) | 944 comments Yes, I've read it and am aware of the review culture at Amazon - and as a reader first, then a writer, it would be extremely sad if they impliment the Amazon no author reviews books policy from Amazon to Goodreads. It has always been beyond me that there is a perception on Amazon that writers can't have personal views on books.


message 22: by Sharon (new)

Sharon Robards (SharonRobards) | 944 comments As well as telling reviewers they can't share their own personal thoughts eleswhere.


message 23: by Brenda, Aussie Authors Queen (new)

Brenda | 60298 comments Mod
The powers that be state categorically Goodreads policy on reviews won't change...we will see!


message 24: by Brenda, Aussie Authors Queen (new)

Brenda | 60298 comments Mod
See Post 212 from Otis Chandler about it all..answering some questions: http://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/1...


message 25: by Melanie (new)

Melanie (melanie_yamidnightreads) I am really irritated about this news. I'm not exactly sure what on world is going on but I review on Amazon sometimes and they as entitled to dislike reviews. I really hope GR doesn't do that as most people on Amazon dislike reviews because they're negative.


message 26: by Brenda, Aussie Authors Queen (last edited Mar 28, 2013 07:36PM) (new)

Brenda | 60298 comments Mod
From the above link post 212...

Q..> I hope that GR will not censure reviews, delete reviews without notice etc as Amazon does.

A..Our policies have not changed. Our philosophy is that readers should get the best and most relevant reviews. We actually are excited now to have more resources to focus on improving the order of our reviews (I would hope that one day they can be personalized!).


message 27: by Brenda, Aussie Authors Queen (new)

Brenda | 60298 comments Mod
Melanie wrote: "I am really irritated about this news. I'm not exactly sure what on world is going on but I review on Amazon sometimes and they as entitled to dislike reviews. I really hope GR doesn't do that as m..."

Melanie, if you get a chance, read through the post 212 I linked...they have no plans on changing any of that.


message 28: by Michael (new)

Michael (MichaelSwensson) | 10527 comments I just read through the Otis post. Not sure it will advert to many fears. I think alot of this is just anti Amazon sentiments without even seeing what the final outcome will be.


message 29: by Brenda, Aussie Authors Queen (new)

Brenda | 60298 comments Mod
I agree...it seems more anti-Amazon than anything. I'm not going to worry yet..not like some who have already deleted their accounts!!! I'll just wait and see...


message 30: by Ian (new)

Ian Stewart (goodreadercomIanStewart) | 213 comments Thanks, Brenda. Didn't see your announcement.

Causing a stir, I see. :-)


message 31: by Brenda, Aussie Authors Queen (new)

Brenda | 60298 comments Mod
Yes, there are discussions everywhere...I probably haven't found them all, but the rate the comments are being added, especially to the initial blog, and the feedback group's thread, is amazing!!!


message 32: by Margaret (new)

Margaret Sharp (MargaretLynetteSharp) | 1214 comments Brenda wrote: "I agree...it seems more anti-Amazon than anything. I'm not going to worry yet..not like some who have already deleted their accounts!!! I'll just wait and see..."

I'll wait and see, too.
I'm published through the Amazon company, CreateSpace, and my dealings with them have been good, overall.


message 33: by Brenda, Aussie Authors Queen (new)

Brenda | 60298 comments Mod
I really think it's the only thing we can do...no point going off about it when we don't know very much at all!


message 34: by Ian (last edited Mar 28, 2013 08:24PM) (new)

Ian Stewart (goodreadercomIanStewart) | 213 comments Margaret wrote: "Brenda wrote: "I agree...it seems more anti-Amazon than anything. I'm not going to worry yet..not like some who have already deleted their accounts!!! I'll just wait and see..."

I'll wait and see,..."


I've published through CreateSpace (paperback) and Amazon (eBooks), too, and am comfortable with their arrangements. So see no immediate need for alarm and despondency.


message 35: by Phrynne, I love to read:) (new)

Phrynne | 7505 comments Mod
Brenda wrote: "Yes, there are discussions everywhere...I probably haven't found them all, but the rate the comments are being added, especially to the initial blog, and the feedback group's thread, is amazing!!!"

They shouldn't have announced it on a holiday when everyone has the time to spend making comments!


message 36: by Brenda, Aussie Authors Queen (new)

Brenda | 60298 comments Mod
Phrynne wrote: "Brenda wrote: "Yes, there are discussions everywhere...I probably haven't found them all, but the rate the comments are being added, especially to the initial blog, and the feedback group's thread,..."

I think there's a method to their madness Phrynne!! Though Otis and Patrick have been responding:)


message 37: by Michael (new)

Michael (MichaelSwensson) | 10527 comments I dont think it would of made any difference when the announcement was made Phrynne. I just love how all these members are hitting the panic button when any changes are months away.


message 38: by Phrynne, I love to read:) (new)

Phrynne | 7505 comments Mod
Michael wrote: "I dont think it would of made any difference when the announcement was made Phrynne. I just love how all these members are hitting the panic button when any changes are months away."

I guess some people love a bit of drama.


message 39: by Brenda, Aussie Authors Queen (new)

Brenda | 60298 comments Mod
That's right Michael...you should see the people in the feedback group who are off deleting their accounts as fast as they can press buttons!!!


message 40: by Kathryn (new)

Kathryn | 3169 comments It does sound like sad news - just another example of the big guys taking over... Very sad when small/independent businesses and organisations get swallowed up. I guess it's ironic - I want little businesses to do well, but then when they do so well that they grow big, I want them to stop :-/

As for what this means for Goodreads users, I've just read the announcement and the link from Brenda to the post from Otis - I'd like to think that the only changes will be improvements (although as a non-Kindle/non-Amazon user, I can't see that any of that will affect me), however I'm cynical enough to suspect that there will be changes that are not improvements (although I'm sure Amazon will introduce them as such!), although I think Amazon would probably let some time lapse before implementing such changes.

But, as some of the rest of you have said, there's no point worrying about it - it may never happen. We'll just have to watch this space!


message 41: by Brenda, Aussie Authors Queen (new)

Brenda | 60298 comments Mod
Kathryn wrote: "It does sound like sad news - just another example of the big guys taking over... Very sad when small/independent businesses and organisations get swallowed up. I guess it's ironic - I want littl..."

If people delete their profiles without waiting to see what happens, in my view, it's cutting off your nose to spite your face!!!


message 42: by Kathryn (new)

Kathryn | 3169 comments Brenda wrote: "Kathryn wrote: "It does sound like sad news - just another example of the big guys taking over... Very sad when small/independent businesses and organisations get swallowed up. I guess it's ironi..."

Yes, I do agree. However, as Dean just said - voting with our support is often the only means we have of showing our displeasure - and if you are hugely anti-Amazon, then you may not want to be associated with anything to do with them. I guess you have to weigh up the pros and cons of belonging/not belonging to Goodreads and being a part/not being a part of an Amazon affiliate... I guess it's an ethical consideration.

Personally, I don't really like multinational conglomerates or companies with a monopoly/duopoly, but I still eat Kraft and Nestle products, use Unilever products and shop at Woolworths and Coles... But I still think it's sad...


message 43: by Ian (new)

Ian Stewart (goodreadercomIanStewart) | 213 comments Everything you say here is being carefully analyzed, Dean . . . So your privacy may already have been compromised! :-)


message 44: by Brenda, Aussie Authors Queen (new)


message 45: by Ian (new)

Ian Stewart (goodreadercomIanStewart) | 213 comments Yes. An insightful commentary. ""Writers can no longer afford to escape Amazon’s gravity. And now, with the takeover of Goodreads, readers won’t be able to either."


message 46: by Sharon (new)

Sharon Robards (SharonRobards) | 944 comments yep!


message 47: by Michael (new)

Michael (knowledgelost) If you've not read this interesting interview with Otis and Amazon check it out. I think for now it will remain independent like IMDb but I have my doubts. There is a lot advantages for Amazon but not many for readers; expect kindle integration.

http://paidcontent.org/2013/03/28/fir...


message 48: by Ian (new)

Ian Stewart (goodreadercomIanStewart) | 213 comments Michael wrote: "If you've not read this interesting interview with Otis and Amazon check it out. I think for now it will remain independent like IMDb but I have my doubts. There is a lot advantages for Amazon but ..."

Sounds more like a work in progress than a settled program. Watch this space!


message 49: by Michael (new)

Michael (MichaelSwensson) | 10527 comments Ditto Ian. I guess all will be revealed soon and hopefully they will give us plenty of notice.


message 50: by Mish (new)

Mish | 3492 comments I’m just been catching up with what’s going on and can't believe the drastic measures people have taken over this news now.

As long as it doesn’t affect our groups and reviewing, I’m not overly concerned by this take over.


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