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message 1: by rivka, Librarian Moderator (new)

rivka | 42006 comments Mod
DON'T.

Never merge author profiles in different languages. Doing so will undo hours of work by other librarians.

His English name can be added as primary author on all Japanese editions of his work, allowing them to be combined with the other editions. Hi name in Japanese should be moved to the secondary position.


message 2: by Hikaoru (new)

Hikaoru (hikaoru13) | 43 comments Hello...
How can I combine these author's pages. They are all in English and contain the same book. One of them even has books that are not at all rated.

http://www.goodreads.com/author/show/... I think this is the primary page as it contain more books.

This is the second one http://www.goodreads.com/author/show/...

And this is the one that contain the unrated book. http://www.goodreads.com/author/show/...

onegaishimas.


message 3: by Catalina (new)

Catalina | 2065 comments Someone already did #4


message 4: by [deleted user] (new)

This author has not claimed his Goodreads author profiles. He has two author profiles, Charles Hardman and Charles Keith Hardman. I realize I can merge the two profiles into one by making the names identical, but there are two problems:

1. On Amazon he's published the books with the different names, so if I change one of the author profile names it won't match up with the Amazon listing.

2. I'm not sure what name he actually wants. I can ask him, though, he does have a personal profile on Goodreads.

What normally happens in this type of situation? I've linked the author profiles below:

http://www.goodreads.com/author/show/...
http://www.goodreads.com/author/show/...

Thanks, Mona


message 5: by Emy (new)

Emy (emypt) | 5029 comments Depends on the covers.

If he has both on his covers, he gets both names as profiles. If one book is published under name (1), then republished one under name (2), the second edition gets Name (2) AND Name (1) on it. I usually add a 'see also' to the description in this case. Plus a "Do Not Merge with xxxx" in the Librarian Note field, just in case...

If only one form is on ALL the covers, merge them to the one that is on all.


message 6: by [deleted user] (last edited Mar 24, 2013 12:25AM) (new)

Sorry I'm a little confused. I just checked the covers - one book has Charles Hardman and the other book has Charles Keith Hardman. There are no other editions of either book.

Could you help me with this? I don't really know what to do. Sorry :(

Also, I realized I posted this on the wrong thread. Sorry again.


message 7: by Emy (new)

Emy (emypt) | 5029 comments Different names on covers = different profiles (unless Rivka or someone similar says otherwise).

I would put a cross reference link on each profile (i.e. See also [ author : BLAH | xxxx ] and a librarian note in each saying, Do not merge with xxxx.


message 8: by [deleted user] (new)

Thanks. I added a link on each profile and a librarian note.


message 9: by rivka, Librarian Moderator (last edited Mar 24, 2013 11:26AM) (new)

rivka | 42006 comments Mod
If an author originally publishes as John Smith, and then later as John Paul Smith, there's not usually any problem with merging both into John Paul Smith. UNLESS one of the following applies:

* Branding: John Smith is being used for romance novels and John Paul Smith for literary fiction. Then it's important to keep the two profile separate.

* Author prefers to maintain separate profiles for the two variants for some other reason. Ok as long as the books are consistent with their covers, and not being moved back and forth.

* The two names are distinctly different. Rather than John Smith and John Paul Smith, it's John Smith and J.P. Smith, or John Smith and Joe James.


message 10: by [deleted user] (new)

Thanks for clearing that up Rivka. I wasn't sure what to do, and it's much cleaner to have both books on the same profile. I noticed he's claimed his author profile now so it's nice and organized and lovely :) Thanks for helping :)


message 11: by Bill (new)

Bill Corbett (billcorbett) | 14 comments I just realized that I have 2 profiles: #5547515 and #8336726. How can I combine them or delete one of them?


message 12: by Z-squared (new)

Z-squared | 8580 comments The 8336726 number doesn't link anywhere for me. Do you mean

http://www.goodreads.com/user/show/55... vs
http://www.goodreads.com/author/show/...

?

If so, the first one is your personal profile, the second one is your author profile. They can't be combined because they fulfill different functions.


message 13: by rivka, Librarian Moderator (new)

rivka | 42006 comments Mod
Z-squared wrote: "They can't be combined because they fulfill different functions."

Actually, they can be. Bill, you'll need to use the Contact Us link on the Help page. Include links to both accounts.


message 14: by Deon (new)

Deon (deonva) | 3386 comments Bill wrote: "I just realized that I have 2 profiles: #5547515 and #8336726. How can I combine them or delete one of them?"

you need to contact support for this
http://www.goodreads.com/about/contac...


message 15: by Bill (new)

Bill Corbett (billcorbett) | 14 comments Thank you.


message 16: by اليازية (new)

اليازية خليفة (alyaziakhalifa) | 2 comments rivka wrote: "DON'T.

Never merge author profiles in different languages. Doing so will undo hours of work by other librarians.

His English name can be added as primary author on all Japanese editions of his wo..."


I had a similar issue with "Carl Brockelmann" in his Arabic books. I noticed there is no info in his Arabic profile. So, I've changed the Arabic name of the author into his English name. Interestingly, when I searched the Arabic name again in the search bar the results was his two Arabic books.

Is this a the cookies of Goodreads ?

Try searching for this: كارل بروكلمان


message 17: by rivka, Librarian Moderator (new)

rivka | 42006 comments Mod
اليازية خليفة wrote: "So, I've changed the Arabic name of the author into his English name."

Which is exactly what the post you quoted says not to do.

Never merge an English profile and one in another language. DO add the English name of the author as the primary author for a book, while leaving the other language name as secondary.

As far as search oddness, sounds like a caching issue.


message 18: by اليازية (new)

اليازية خليفة (alyaziakhalifa) | 2 comments The Arabic profile was empty. I think the profile appears automatically after adding a name in the field of author.

In the meantime, I believe redirecting them into the English profile is way better because the majority of Arabic-speaking users are reads English as well.

In all cases, I'll add the Arabic name of the author today. The profile info I'll update it later.

Thanks ^.^


message 19: by rivka, Librarian Moderator (new)

rivka | 42006 comments Mod
اليازية خليفة wrote: "I think the profile appears automatically after adding a name in the field of author."

Correct. If an author profile lacks data, don't merge it; add data to it. A link to the English version of the profile is a fine place to start.



اليازية خليفة wrote: "In the meantime, I believe redirecting them into the English profile is way better because the majority of Arabic-speaking users are reads English as well. "

And if the Arabic editions have both the English name first and the Arabic name second, they will easily find both profiles.


message 20: by Rajasekar (new)

Rajasekar Pandurangan (kalkidhasan) | 6 comments There is 2 profile for one author name in English and Tamil (kalki, கல்கி)


message 21: by Rajasekar (new)

Rajasekar Pandurangan (kalkidhasan) | 6 comments There is 2 profile for one author name in one profile name in English and another profile name in Tamil (kalki and கல்கி).

books are scrambled between these to two profile.

Is it a right format to naming a profile like this eg. கல்கி [Kalki]?


message 22: by Emy (new)

Emy (emypt) | 5029 comments Rajasekar wrote: "Is it a right format to naming a profile like this eg. கல்கி [Kalki]? "

No, two profiles is correct - think of it as a profile for each language / script.


message 23: by Kiss of a sniper (last edited Oct 16, 2013 03:48AM) (new)

Kiss of a sniper (kissofasniper) | 42 comments rivka wrote:
DO add the English name of the author as the primary author for a book, while leaving the other language name as secondary."


Am I understanding this right, so if an author is not English, but say Russian or Arabic, his primary name on a book, should still be in English?

Here an example: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/1...

Should the english name go as primary? The author is russian.


And here same book translated: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/1...

Should here the english name go first?

Thank you , just want to do it correctly =)


message 24: by Emy (new)

Emy (emypt) | 5029 comments Yes, because some of his works have been translated into English. This leaves his English language profile as the default one for merging. Second is then the author in the language script of the book (Russian, French, German etc.). If you are the first Librarian to work on that author, it's helpful to leave a Note and also to link to the other language profiles in the author profile.


message 25: by Kiss of a sniper (new)

Kiss of a sniper (kissofasniper) | 42 comments Ok, thank you!


message 26: by L.A. (new)

L.A. | 3 comments Hello,
I have both a user and an author profile. My book, "Born To Die" has a rating from me under the user profile. This was a mistake when I was familiarizing myself with the site, and I would like for it to be deleted if possible.
Thank you,
Lois Lewandowski user profile
L. A. Lewandowski author profile


message 27: by Susie (last edited Nov 02, 2013 12:00PM) (new)

Susie (dragonsusie) | 2472 comments L.A. wrote: "Hello,
I have both a user and an author profile. My book, "Born To Die" has a rating from me under the user profile. This was a mistake when I was familiarizing myself with the site, and I would like for it to be deleted if possible.
Thank you,
Lois Lewandowski user profile
L. A. Lewandowski author profile"


Firstly, it's usually best to start a new topic, as this one is discussing something completely different.

Secondly, there is nothing that us librarians can do about ratings - we have no control over them.

I'm assuming that you're talking about this review? In which case, if you click on "edit" to edit your review, by where the stars are there is an option that says "clear". Click on that and all is solved!


message 28: by okyrhoe (last edited Nov 25, 2013 03:09PM) (new)

okyrhoe | 57 comments What [edited to add: is the policy] when a foreign author joins Goodreads and changes his/her "GR Author" page data to display both the English spelling and the foreign (i.e. non-Latin/non-English alphabet) spelling?

example 1

example 2


message 29: by Scott (new)

Scott | 17203 comments rivka wrote: "If an author originally publishes as John Smith, and then later as John Paul Smith, there's not usually any problem with merging both into John Paul Smith. UNLESS one of the following applies:..."

I recently noticed that there are separate profiles for Dean Koontz and Dean R. Koontz, with a librarian note to keep them separate. There doesn't seem to be any consistency as far as which titles have which name, so shouldn't they be combined?


message 30: by rivka, Librarian Moderator (new)

rivka | 42006 comments Mod
okyrhoe wrote: "What when a foreign author joins Goodreads and changes his/her "GR Author" page data to display both the English spelling and the foreign (i.e. non-Latin/non-English alphabet) spelling?

example ..."


Then it needs fixing. I have done so.


message 31: by rivka, Librarian Moderator (new)

rivka | 42006 comments Mod
Scott, I suggest a new thread. People more familiar with Koontz should comment.


message 32: by okyrhoe (new)

okyrhoe | 57 comments rivka wrote: "Then it needs fixing. I have done so."

Thanks for the help.

A question: Are the authors informed about the edits and/or why they shouldn't have a dual-language entry in the author name field?


message 33: by rivka, Librarian Moderator (new)

rivka | 42006 comments Mod
I leave a Note on their profile, and they can see who left it.


message 34: by Nikol (new)

Nikol Tsavari | 4 comments l have noticed the same problem with many greek authors - some of them have two or (sometimes) three profiles ,what we should do then ?


message 35: by okyrhoe (new)

okyrhoe | 57 comments Nikol wrote: "l have noticed the same problem with many greek authors - some of them have two or (sometimes) three profiles ,what we should do then?"

Can you link to the specific authors, Nikol?

For authors whose native language is not in the Latin alphabet, there are two author profiles on GR; one in the language/alphabet used by this website (ie, English/Latin) and also in the native language of the author.
It is o.k. to have two profiles for Greek authors - one in English/Latin and the other using the Greek alphabet (also, hopefully, each profile links to the other).

If you find authors with more than two profiles, then please post in the Librarian discussion thread in Greek here the links to the author pages that need attention, and the Greek librarians will have a look.


message 36: by Nikol (new)

Nikol Tsavari | 4 comments thank you for your help, l m new here... yes, l soon realized that there is a problem when we have more than two profiles .. until now l found two authors : a. tasos leivaditis or tasos livaditis ( Τάσος Λειβαδίτης) β.kostas kariotakis or kostas karyotakis (Kώστας Καρυωτάκης)


message 37: by Nikol (new)

Nikol Tsavari | 4 comments *until now l have founded


message 38: by Nikol (new)

Nikol Tsavari | 4 comments thank you for your help again.... tomorrow l ll work and search more on this ( including Librarian discussion thread in Greek )
:)


message 39: by okyrhoe (last edited Dec 11, 2013 04:03PM) (new)

okyrhoe | 57 comments Great, Nikol!
Those are exactly the kind of double & triple entries we are trying to fix in the following discussion -> https://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/...


message 40: by Andréa (last edited Feb 27, 2014 08:58AM) (new)

Andréa (fernandie) | 152 comments I'm not very experienced with foreign language authors (or foreign languages in general), so I'd like some advice figuring out what to do with these two authors.

On my edition of Meet the Triplets and the other books in its series, the authors are listed as "Mercé Company" and "Roser Capdevila." However, on Goodreads, Company is listed as Mercé Company, Mercè Company González, and M. Company. (There's also a Merce Company Staff, but I don't know if that's supposed to be the same author; Mercé Company isn't actually a company, but a single author, and thus wouldn't have a staff.) Capdevila is listed as Roser Capdevila, Roser Capdevila i Valls, Roser Capdevila I. Valls, Roser Capdevilla, and R. Capdevila. There may be more listings for either author that I haven't stumbled upon.

Since most of the books don't have covers, I can't check the spellings on each edition, but my assumption is that the authors are credited different ways on different books. Which profiles, therefore, can be combined and which should be cross-listed?

Thanks!

Edit: In case it helps, here are their Wikipedia listings -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Merc%C3%... and http://translate.google.com/translate...


message 41: by Susie (new)

Susie (dragonsusie) | 2472 comments #42:
Authors should be listed on GR as they are on the cover of the books. So I have therefore merged the profiles for Mercé Company and Mercè Company González and Merce Company Staff, but have left M. Company. I've put notes on both remaining profiles so they show the author's full name and link to the other.

It's actually not unusual for Spaniards to have two surnames, as they take both the surname from their father and mother, but then have the choice as an adult of which they prefer to use.

But, on to Roser Capdevila... Roser Capdevilla is an easier one, as its obvious that an extra "l" has been put into the surname. I've also merged Roser Capdevila I. Valls and Roser Capdevila i Valls into the main profile. However, for the same reasons as the other author, R. Capdevila should be kept. If there are any book crossovers (with regards to names), then we can put both author-name formats on the book to enable them to be combined. But, from the covers I see, it doesn't seem to be the case.

Anyway, I've also put a note on Roser Capdevila's profiles to link to the other one. There are a few books that need moving across to keep with the rules, but hopefully that's tidied things up somewhat!


message 42: by Andréa (new)

Andréa (fernandie) | 152 comments Susie wrote: "#42:
Authors should be listed on GR as they are on the cover of the books. So I have therefore merged the profiles for Mercé Company and Mercè Company González and Merce Company Staff, but have lef..."


Thank you so much! I'll go in and make sure any books have all their proper editions combined.


message 44: by Susie (new)

Susie (dragonsusie) | 2472 comments Lauren wrote: "Author duplicate:
https://www.goodreads.com/author/show..."


We normally don't worry about merging blank profiles, as they eventually get deleted by the script. Plus, as the actual author profile isn't a GR author, if there had been books on there it's something you could do yourself (if you change the name of the misspelt author profile to the correct one, it will ask you to merge).


message 45: by okyrhoe (last edited Mar 14, 2014 02:56PM) (new)

okyrhoe | 57 comments [Message 30] - okyrhoe wrote: "...a foreign ..."GR Author" page data (displays) both the English spelling and the foreign (i.e. non-Latin/non-English alphabet) spelling"

I found two more instances of this.

https://www.goodreads.com/author/show...

https://www.goodreads.com/author/show...


message 46: by rivka, Librarian Moderator (new)

rivka | 42006 comments Mod
I got those two. Please put any future examples in this thread: https://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/...


message 47: by David (new)

David Davies | 3 comments This author has two profiles. This original one https://www.goodreads.com/author/show... - and another that has a few of his newest books https://www.goodreads.com/author/show...


message 48: by Koenraad (new)

Koenraad (koenraadkelemen) | 4879 comments #49 merged profiles and combined editions.


message 49: by okyrhoe (new)

okyrhoe | 57 comments rivka wrote: "I got those two. Please put any future examples in this thread: https://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/..."

That thread is now closed so I am posting here, if that's OK.

https://www.goodreads.com/author/show...


message 50: by rivka, Librarian Moderator (new)

rivka | 42006 comments Mod
When it gets closed, there is always a new one to replace it.


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