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Physics of the Impossible: A Scientific Exploration into the World of Phasers, Force Fields, Teleportation, and Time Travel
Terry: The Time Travelling Tortoise
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Of Time Travel and Other Phenomena
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NATIONAL GEOGRAPHIC:Iranian Scientist Claims to Have Built "Time Machine" http://news.nationalgeographic.com/ne...
Ali Razeqi says his time machine uses "complex algorithms" to see the future.
The Secret Truth about Time Travel http://www.andersoninstitute.com/time...What the world’s leading time research agencies do not want you to know.
Written by Dr. David Lewis Anderson for What’s Happening Magazine
http://www.andersoninstitute.com/time...
I think it's more likely that were are capable of non-molecular ("Spiritual") time traveling, rather than molecular (physical).
If time travel were to be a possibility, then it would have to be something that doesn't consist of a physical/molecular substance, but rather something that does not rely on matter/molecules for existence.....Like people who experience OBE...Their "spirit" leaves their body behind.....I think out of the two, it would be the "spirit" that's capable of traveling through time as it isn't dependent on anything that exists within a timeline.
Is this 1930s painting proof of time travel? Native American appears to hold a SMARTPHONE - even though it was painted seven decades before they were invented http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetec...
Who Authored the John Titor Legend?In the year 2000, a man calling himself John Titor introduced himself to the Internet as a time traveler from the year 2036. He weaved a rich tale of being sent back to 1975 to retrieve an IBM 5100 computer. Those who interacted with John were impressed by the depth and apparent realism of his story. In the years that followed select details would emerge to help further legitimize John Titor.
The question of whether or not John Titor was a real time traveler remains a subject of contentious debate. This book sets that question aside to examine several figures who may be responsible for the posts. Among the principle suspects are entertainment lawyer Larry Haber and alternate reality gaming pioneer Joseph Matheny. Key players involved in the John Titor phenomenon who are not suspected of authoring the story are also profiled. These include a PhD who filed a patent based on John Titor’s time machine schematics, an Internet sleuth called The Hoax Hunter who has worked to debunk the story, and even Art Bell, the legendary late night radio host who received several faxes from John Titor.
The Time Travel Handbook: A Manual of Practical Teleportation & Time Travel by David Hatcher Childress
So You Created a Wormhole: The Time Traveler's Guide to Time Travel
Nope. But if you could send out a cmaera at faster than light speed you could observe the past /
Strictly speaking, at this stage of scientific research, the following is not legit time travel...It's more pretend time travel...But as scientists research this field more, it may (in my opinion) reveal actually abilities of the mind to time travel for real...and even influence or change one's past or future ala The Butterfly Effect...We don't yet know what the brain/mind or consciousness is capable of...Chronesthesia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chrones...
Chronesthesia or mental time travel is a mental ability first hypothesized by Endel Tulving in the 1980s. This refers to the ability to be aware of one's past or future. While many may describe it as uniquely human, others now argue that this ability can transcend to include non-human animals such as birds. The mechanisms of mental time travel are not yet fully understood since there is a level of obscurity and complexity when trying to measure if or when someone underwent mental time travel or not. However, studies have been conducted to map out areas of the brain that may be responsible for mental time travel.
Overview[edit]
Chronesthesia is defined as a hypothetical ability that allows humans to be constantly aware of the past and the future.[1] Endel Tulving, one of the pioneers in this field, explained that humans adapted chronesthesia as a way to advance their survival. Some people may go further as to say that it is a crucial ability for humans.[2] There seems to be some confusion about the definitions of episodic memory, memory for the future, and mental time travel. Episodic memory involves projecting oneself back in time and recollecting many aspects of previous experiences.[3] Mental time travel is more robust when planning for the future than for re-experiencing past events. This makes sense since it is the present and the future, rather than the representation of the past, that matter; therefore, mental time travel involves both past and future thinking. On the other hand, episodic memory only deals with mentally traveling to the past.
With regards to memory for the future, this is actually a subcategory of mental time travel.
Brain regions involved[edit]
Scientists have mapped regions of the brain that could possibly be involved in mental time travel. While these types of studies are not numerous, they help advance understanding of this complex phenomenon.
fMRI mapping of brain regions[edit]
Addis D. et al. conducted an fMRI study to examine neural regions mediating construction and elaboration of past and future events.[4] The left hippocampus and posterior visuospatial regions are involved in past and future event construction, neural differentiation. The right hippocampus, right frontopolar cortex, and the left ventrolateral prefrontal cortex are involved in future event construction.
The elaboration phase, unlike the construction phase, has overlap in the cortical areas comprising the autobiographical memory retrieval network. In this study, it was also found that the left hippocampus and the right middle occipital gyrus were significantly activated during past and future event construction, while the right hippocampus was significantly deactivated during past event construction. It was only activated during the creation of future events.
Episodic future thinking involves multiple component processes: retrieval and integration of relevant information from memory, processing of subjective time, and self-referential processing.[5] D'Argembeau et al.'s study found that the ventral medial prefrontal cortex and posterior cingulate cortex are the most activated areas when imagining future events that are relevant to one's personal goals than to unrelated ones. This shows that these brain regions play a role in personal goal processing, which is a critical feature of episodic future thinking.
Brain regions involved in the 'what' and 'where' of an event[edit]
Cabeza R. et al. conducted a positron emission tomography (PET) scan study on a group of human test subjects to identify the brain regions involved in temporal memory, which is based on a linear progression of events. Since 'recollecting a past episode involves remembering not only what happened but also when it happened', PET scans were used to find the areas of the brain that were activated when trying to remember a certain word in a sequence.[6] The results show that temporal memory of past events involves the frontal and posterior brain regions.
Research[edit]
There has been a lot of research conducted in this area to map brain regions and discover whether animals can exhibit this phenomenon as well. Relationships have been established between people who exhibit mental time travel and various neurological disorders, such as neuroticism. Quoidbach J. et al. found that people with high neuroticism generate more negative future events than emotionally stable people.[2]
One study showed that people with schizotypy have a greater feeling of mental time travel, along with more olfactory detail than normal people.[7]
Episodic-like memory and planning for the future in great apes[edit]
Osvath et al. conducted a study on apes to show that they have the ability of foresight. The study consisted of testing for self-control, associative learning, and envisioning in chimpanzees and orangutans through a series of experiments.[8] Critics questioned whether these animals truly exhibited mental time travel, or whether it was associative learning that caused them to behave as they did. The Bischof-Kohler hypothesis says that animals cannot anticipate future needs, and this study by Osvath tried to disprove the hypothesis.
The scientists showed that when the apes were presented with a food item in conjunction with a utensil that could be used to actually eat that particular food, these animals chose the utensil instead of food. They anticipated a future need for the utensil that overcame the current want for just a food reward. This is an example of mental time travel in animals. It was not a result of associative learning that they actually chose the utensil instead of the food reward since the scientists ran another experiment to account for that. Other examples, such as food caching by birds, may be examples of mental time travel in non-humans. Even survival instinct by certain animals such as elephants, in response to imminent danger, could involve mental time travel mechanisms.
Another study to show that great apes have the ability of foresight was conducted by Martin-Ordas G. et al. These scientists were able to show that 'apes remember in an integrated fashion what, where and when' a particular event had happened.[9] Two experiments were conducted in this study-the first being an investigation of the content of the memories of apes i.e. could these animals remember when and where two types of food they were shown before were now hidden. The second experiment explored the structure of the memories. It was found that the apes' memories were formed in an integrated what–where–when structure. All these findings once again show that it is not instinctive or learning predispositions that made the animals behave the way they did; rather, they have the ability to mental time travel, just like humans can.
Episodic-like memory in western scrub-jays[edit]
In their study to show that birds exhibit episodic-like memory, Clayton et al. used 3 behavioral criteria: content, structure, and flexibility, to decide whether the food caching habits of these birds were evidence of their ability to recall the past and plan for the future.[10] Content involved remembering what happened based on a specific past experience. Structure required the formation of a 'what-where-when' representation of the event. Finally, flexibility was used to see how well the information could be organized and re-organized, based on facts and experiences. Mental time travel involves the use of both episodic future thinking and semantic knowledge. This study also contradicts the Bischof-Kohler hypothesis by showing that some animals can mentally time travel into the future or back to the past.
Episodic future thinking in 3-5-year olds[edit]
In this study, the scientists show that children as little as 4 years old can exhibit episodic future thinking.[11] While their study involved looking at 3-year olds as well, it was shown that those children could not handle the task as well as the older children, possibly due to development in linguistic abilities. The brain regions that were activated during the four tasks (episodic recollection, prospection, third-person theory of mind, and navigation) were similar. These regions were found to be the hippocampus, parahippocampal gyrus, retrosplenial cortex, posterior parietal cortex and the ventro-medial pre-frontal cortex.
Issues and future research[edit]
The two biggest questions in the field right now are whether mental time travel is unique to humans or not, and what the mechanisms of this phenomenon are.[12] Suddendorf and Corballis say that while mental time travel is uniquely human, it does not mean that animals cannot exhibit future-oriented behavior.[13] In contrast, it is that there are several characteristics that distinguish one from the other. For example, future orientation can be based on instincts, and imagination may be involved. However, mental time travel does not involve these things. Rather, it is a mental state that cannot be directly observed. It involves flexibility in situations to adapt to individual goals, and therefore must be unique to humans. But, as Toomela describes in his study, since mental time travel is a complex episodic psychological phenomenon that is personal and subjective, evidence of it in animals can only be indirect. It may also be beneficial to look at research in the field of psychology to further understand this state.
The future of this field lies in understanding what the specific behavioral markers for mental time travel are, and being able to exactly identify which regions in the brain cortex correspond to mental time travel specifically. As was mentioned in the Clayton N.S. et al. study, research needs to be done to figure out whether episodic memory and future planning are linked. Also, if birds exhibit signs of episodic memory and future planning, how is it possible to link that to humans, since the mammalian cortex is different from that of a bird? It has been suggested to use more mammalian models in order to understand chronesthesia better, as well as to map out more regions in the cortex that are specifically devoted to mental time travel.
We don't really know what time is. In the sciences, it's a geometric coordinate but that's just math. A model can work without being "true." Time could very well be a figment of the way our minds work and not an actual thing at all. In that case, talking about time travel is meaningless.It is possible to break out of our perception of time. I don't know if that constitutes time travel, though.
I think that could be the root of actual time travel, Jim...Getting beyond the illusion of time.
INSIDE THE REAL-LIFE TIME-TRAVEL EXPERIMENT THAT INSPIRED 'STRANGER THINGS' https://www.thrillist.com/entertainme...The Philadelphia Experiment & The Montauk Project https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AGgly...
The Montauk Project: Experiments in Time https://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/mo...
Time Travel & Project Pegasus https://www.coasttocoastam.com/show/2...ongtime whistleblower Andrew D. Basiago joined guest host Connie Willis (email) to discuss teleportation and his claims of being an authentic time traveler. Basiago remembered his first teleportation as a terrified six-year-old 50 years ago as part of DARAPA's Project Pegasus, as well as the time 35 years ago when he made his first "night run" to Mars. He described how the process of teleportation/time travel utilizes radiant energy discovered by inventor Nikola Tesla (1856-1943).
"Time travel is going to open up the entire history, present and future, of the universe to us, so humanity deserves to know that we achieved time travel in DARPA's Project Pegasus," Basiago continued. He recalled traveling back several times to 1865 to Ford's Theater on a mission to determine who really shot Abraham Lincoln. According to Basiago, the Lincolns were never in their box when he arrived—something he later learned was due to their late arrival to the theater that night.
Basiago commented on climate change and called for a system of global public teleportation to replace forms of transportation based on internal combustion engines. Such a move would reduce greenhouse gasses by 20 to 60 percent, he suggested. Basiago revealed childhood schoolmate Kevin Joseph McPherson is the "boy who lost his feet" while teleporting to Santa Fe. He also announced his partnership with Quantum Spanner LLC, to integrate components of the Pegasus generation of time travel technology with their scalar-based healing technology. "We're entering a new era of medicine in which we will literally be manipulating the time domain to heal the human body from disease and injury," Basiago said.
The Science News Reporter http://www.thescinewsreporter.com/201...NASA Admits Alcubierre Drive Initiative: Faster Than The Speed Of Light
March 24, 2018
Potentially a way to at least time travel into the future?
Teleportation Physics Study AIR FORCE RESEARCH LABORATORY AIR FORCE MATERIEL COMMAND EDWARDS AIR FORCE BASE CA 93524-7048 https://www.academia.edu/30233730/Tel...This study was tasked with the purpose of collecting information describing the teleportation of material objects, providing a description of
teleportation as it occurs in physics, its theoretical and experimental status, and a projection of potential applications. The study also consisted
of a search for teleportation phenomena occurring naturally or under laboratory conditions that can be assembled into a model describing the
conditions required to accomplish the transfer of objects. This included a review and documentation of quantum teleportation, its theoretical
basis, technological development, and its potential applications. The characteristics of teleportation were defined and physical theories were
evaluated in terms of their ability to completely describe the phenomena. Contemporary physics, as well as theories that presently challenge the
current physics paradigm were investigated. The author identified and proposed two unique physics models for teleportation that are based on
the manipulation of either the general relativistic spacetime metric or the spacetime vacuum electromagnetic (zero-point fluctuations)
parameters. Naturally occurring anomalous teleportation phenomena that were previously studied by the United States and foreign
governments were also documented in the study and are reviewed in the report. The author proposes an additional model for teleportation that
is based on a combination of the experimental results from the previous government studies and advanced physics concepts. Numerous
recommendations outlining proposals for further theoretical
and experimental studies are given in the report. The report also includes an
extensive teleportation bibliography.
Interesting spotting, James. Warning to others: not exactly light reading
Tenet Time Travel Tech REVEALED By Director & How It Works Explained https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KgicE...
No time travelers showed up at Stephen hawking’s champagne party...but like the article suggests, maybe they didn’t realize how expensive the champagne actually was lolhttps://vinepair.com/articles/stephen...
Hi y'all, I just started reading the threads and learning some things along the way. I was looking for a means to contact you James or Lance but I do not have access to send a private email on this site. So, could one of you reach out to me? Thanks.
Kathryn in FL wrote: "Hi y'all, I just started reading the threads and learning some things along the way. I was looking for a means to contact you James or Lance but I do not have access to send a private email on thi..."
I've contacted you, Kathryn
I responded back about 8 minutes ago.
There is a theory which concludes that at some stage humanity will evolve to the extent where our 'super intelligence' may indeed be the foundation seed for the multiverse. In other words, sometime in the future we will send a code back in time which will be the catalyst for the development of complex life. Believe it or not, this idea has a lot of traction in the science community.Evolutionary psychologist, Michael Price presents the following scenario: Price agrees with Lee Smolin with respect to the premise that we do indeed exist as one universe in a multiverse. But he argues convincingly that the reproductive mechanism is not black holes, but rather intelligent life. For Price, black holes are not a complex adaption, but rather ‘just an outcome of gravity – a region of spacetime where gravity's pull is so strong that nothing, not even light, can escape. Living creatures, in contrast, are generally regarded as the most improbably complex known entities in the universe’. Human intelligence is presently, the most complex adaption observable so far in our universe, and this has come about solely through the work of over two billion years of natural selection. Our universe has been finely tuned so that this could eventuate.
So, for the money question: Could the creation of new universes be triggered by some form of ‘super intelligence’ which has evolved according to a structured pre–planned order of operations designed to replicate itself – creating New ‘cosmic habitats’, conducive to evolve intelligent beings destined to create other new universes? Price terms this possibility, cosmological natural selection, with intelligence (CNSI). Those universes best suited to creating the trait of super intelligence are also the ‘fittest’ adaptions in universe creation. Our newfound ability to transcend biological natural selection, may be the first step of this vision.
Tony wrote: "There is a theory which concludes that at some stage humanity will evolve to the extent where our 'super intelligence' may indeed be the foundation seed for the multiverse. In other words, sometime..."Time travel hurts the brain, Tony, that's all I know!
Not from direct experience, but did you ever see those Back to the Future movies? Great Scott!!
Also recommend The Butterfly Effect movie.
James,It appears that you never received my follow-up (or I never received your response). Also, your 2nd message was "editted" before I received it - it was obvious.
Thanks for reaching out, I am frustrated that we were unable to have an actual conversation. There are those who obviously do not want me sharing - those who have a good reason.
MILITARY INSIDER: They Panicked When They Saw The Future https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uoREK...Video summary: This was recorded over a decade ago and makes it even more incredible as we see the events described unfold on the planet today.
Stephen Hawking said that it was theoretically possible, but would require more energy than we could possibly produce.Some say that there is no such thing as "time" and that it is just the way our brains perceive sequences of events. There is no past or future, only now. I kind of like that idea actually.
As for mental time travel, I suppose I have experienced this when visiting a place I haven't been in a very long time, like my old elementary school. But that's just the reawakening/refreshing of buried memories. Fun though, wish I could do it more often.
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The Physics of Time: D-Theory of Time & Temporal Mechanics (other topics)Authorized: Chronicles of John Titor II (other topics)
The Time Travel Handbook: A Manual of Practical Teleportation & Time Travel (other topics)
So You Created a Wormhole: The Time Traveler's Guide to Time Travel (other topics)
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