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Where do you guys get your daily news from?
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Jun 23, 2015 12:09PM

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So I really don't know the answer!

Pessimistic...but perhaps realistic also!

but I don't trust any of it. It's all propaganda furthering the interests of old rich white guys -__-

http://www.medialens.org/
https://zcomm.org/
https://www.indymedia.org.uk/
These are generally anti-corporate media and trustworthy...

That's just 'cos you like foxes!"
... That is also true. ;)




but I don't trust any of it. It's all propaganda furthering the interests of old rich white guys -__-"
K.P. I have stopped posting on this site but I happened to have another look and couldn't pass up a comment. Enough about old rich guys being evil. I understand why some of you guys believe that but it is just not true. I see evil people in all walks of life, be it underprivileged sectors, middle class sectors, rich sectors or cultural sectors. It makes no difference.
I stopped being involved because I found this site to pander to those who would like to find the "enemy" among the wealthy. I thank God (or a Supreme Power) every day for the wealthy who use their wealth to advantage the worthy; be they poor or underprivileged through no fault of their own; be they children who are orphaned or who have incompetent parents; be they countries which don't have the basic needs for a healthy life; be they people suffering from egalitarian overlords who like to hold power over the people.
Freedom is what this site should be promoting. Don't feed the propaganda nor those that will kill or become corrupt to get what they desire. Hard work, honesty, empathy and unselfishness is the only way to lead a moral & humble life full of joy and gratitude for the opportunity to be benevolent. Yeah, I know, I hate preaching just as much as most people. I just felt I need to say this and hopefully bring a bit of balance back into the conversation.
eg. Big Pharma. It does sound menacing and, no doubt, has unfettered power. BUT, if you were merely 50yrs old, or 40, and were given a diagnosis of latent but progressive Alzheimer's disease ending in a very discusting death sentence AND there was a new treatment discovered that would not only interrupt the circle but prolong your healthy life, would you pay the drug company whatever it cost or would you blow up the drug company so nobody could improve their lives?

Thank you for letting us all know what this group is really about. I never realized that this group's membership (a fair percentage of which is comprised of successful entrepreneurs and philanthropists along with compassionate and intelligent working class people) exposing factual corruption of monopolistic multinational corporations equates to hating all wealthy individuals. Or that discussing the very real and commonly acknowledged concern of Big Pharma having too much power means that we are all anti medicine and don't wish to be healthy and would happily die rather than receive treatment from medical professionals. Or that Undergrounders debating social justice topics that rarely get reported on in mainstream media means we are not hard working or empathetic. Or that those members who are ex-military staff or ex-intelligence agents turned whistleblowers reporting crimes they have witnessed by (certain) elite individuals/organizations against vulnerable everyday citizens & at risk children means this group does not promote freedom for all.
So thanks for enlightening us all.
And now that we all have been given the ultimate truth, I vote we rename this group Anti-Freedom Anti-Success Anti-Money Anti-Medicine AND Anti-Life.
Or else maybe we could rename the group Providing a Platform For Old Rich White Guys. Actually I suspect that revised title will make this group much more popular...Especially as currently old rich white guys have no voice in society or in the media, and maybe this Goodreads group will allow that forgotten minority community to finally be heard in society ;)
My only concern in changing the group's name to Old Rich White Guys would be we may lose certain valuable members...Specifically, members who belong to other even more forgotten minorities who have learnt from actual life experience (rather than just intellectually) what it means to exist in communities that our Western societies have traditionally not shown as much respect toward...

I agree Lisa, bias is sometimes really subtle and it's not always possible to know where donations for media outlets are coming from. Most have bias, and that includes alternative media outlets, but I think you are also right in what you imply about sometimes looking for bias where none may exist. I guess that'd fall into the paranoia category ;)

Was that a joke, Fay(th)? Or do you actually enjoy watching Fox News?

If you live by the sword, you die by the sword!

Um...no, I think your statements like "I found this site to pander to those who would like to find the "enemy" among the wealthy" or "Freedom is what this site should be promoting" were all perfectly clear and cannot be misinterpreted. Likewise with your life advice to us all that "Hard work, honesty, empathy and unselfishness is the only way to lead a moral & humble life full of joy and gratitude for the opportunity to be benevolent" was pretty clear as well...Same goes for your healthcare "analogy" :)
In fact, your only ambiguous statement was "I have stopped posting on this site" given that you still are obviously posting in this group...

http://www.davidicke.com/headlines/to...
http://richieallenshow.com/listen-live/


HA!
Great news....wish all broadcasts were that honest!

Citizens for a Legitimate Government sends a selection of news reports through email.



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Corbett is great.

https://www.rt.com/
For thought-provoking perspectives on the "issues of the day", I like Intellectual Takeout
http://www.intellectualtakeout.org/

https://www.rt.com/
https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/
Forums help as well.

Ha!

Plus, knowing how much of the news is shoddy, clumsy, yellow-press sensationalism..or outright lying, propaganda...I can't sacrifice my mental equanimity to listen to a daily recital of fires, floods, murders, stabbings. Endless scandal-mongering and celeb exposes..puh-lease.
Its basically just a run-on pattern of nonsense rattled-off to lull the minds of imbeciles in the street. Sure, if you have absolutely nothing going on in your brain, no thoughts of your own to think, then yeah turn on 'the news'.
Yep. If you're gonna shoot me, stab me, burn me, or drown me--just do it, but whatever you do don't bore me to death by telling me about it. Much less, tell me about a bunch of others strangers these events are occurring to, as if I give a damn.
And where do they get off even calling it 'news' in the first place? Its anything but news. How many car accidents have I ever seen mentioned on the 6 o'clock news? Probably over 500, without even trying. Simply by someone having the TV on during dinner.
In fact, I am outraged at what I call 'news pollution'. Whenever I'm sitting in a bar trying to enjoy a quiet beer, the bartender BETTER not have any news station on when I am there.

For instance something like this:
ANGLE ON: Sheila Blab, blonde, 530pm on Channel 7, 'early edition' news anchor
Sheila looks into camera 2.
"A highly unusual incident this afternoon in West Harlem. Leroy Johnson, 26, was detained by police after they found him driving a car which ...didn't belong to him! Yes, that's right. The late-model Chevrolet Impala was not owned by the driver.
Police--baffled--are questioning Mr. Johnson, to ascertain how this possibly could have occurred. They wanted to know if Mr. Johnson had a medical emergency or if the car maybe belonged to a family member or possibly one of his acquaintances or co-workers. The response to all these proved negative; and detectives from the 26 Precinct are still trying to sort it all out."
"Let's go to the scene right now with Joe Blough, our correspondent for all things strange and inexplicable in Northern Manhattan. Joe--you there? Joe? What's the story up there Joe? Any answers?"
(static, interference, snow, haze)
ANGLE ON: tall, dark-haired, suit-and-tie roving REPORTER with microphone, posing on sidewalk outside of Burger King next to glowering MAN, wrists cuffed behind him, in torn t-shirt.
"Sheila! Yes, hi Sheila, I'm here. Boy it's windy today let me tell ya! Anyway I now read you loud and clear. Sheila, believe me I'm as perplexed as anyone can possibly be, by this nearly bewildering incident. What was Mr. Johnson doing behind the wheel of a car which didn't belong to him? Where was he going in this vehicle? Was he even aware that he was driving what some might claim was a 'stolen' car? Naturally no one wants to even use such a word, but on the other hand, NO ONE seems to have an adequate theory as to how this transpired...."





As a former news reporter, I can attest with confidence that today's news media SUCK. They are all pretty much biased. Because I've been in a newsroom where the editors "suggested" (strongly) that I leave out certain facts that disagreed with their political agenda, I can now see when some stories are missing pertinent facts and that makes me suspicious of almost all stories. Maybe that's why journalists call them "stories".
That said, I catch the local and statewide newspaper here in Alaska (the former is conservative-leaning and latter is left-leaning) and I really like Reuters. Not being an American newsservice, it does a pretty good job of covering US news without the American left-leaning bias, but you have to be aware that they are owned by a corporation in a social democratic country, so their "straight" news is left-leaning. I balance that with One American News, which is right-leaning. You can get 90% of the full story if you read both, but I also like searching out news analysis on various sites.
I don't have cable TV and also don't believe broadcast news gives us real news -- it's mostly entertainment, repeated over and over again in a breathless voice to convince us that the 10% of the facts they are covering from a biased perspective is actually news, but I do watch Fox and CNN when I'm on the exercise machine at the gym. If you watch both, you might get 40% of the almost-truth. Then on Friday nights, my husband and I watch PBS news analysis (mainly to mock their extreme leftist-statist positions), but also because it tells us what is important to them, so we go out and try to find the other side of the story from the Internet.
There's really no easy way to educate yourself on the news these days. It's mostly pablum. But if you're willing to take the time or are a fast reader, you can get a well-rounded news diet with some effort. But I occasionally go to some of my favorite news analysis sites and discover my standard straight news outlets have all been missing the point of some important event, which always reminds me that modern news media SUCK.



You are naming some extremely left-leaning biased sources. I do read them, but I wouldn't trust them anymore than I would trust any others. You need balance in the political agenda of the news source otherwise you risk only getting half of the story -- or less.


Nope.
Or else she'd soon be fired.

It's nice to see here that people are questioning the reliability of news sources.

*Edited to add that I’m not against all corporations, just those that commit fraud.

I agree with you. I watch mainstream media just to see what they're doing to slant the news. They present a story, then have "analysts" give a biased view of events. I think this is a perversion of the First Amendment. They should have freedom to report the news, but not to promote their own agenda.