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Why does everyone hate Bella?
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Dec 24, 2012 09:41AM
Okay I have read this book at least five times and I loved because i was and used to be obsessed. Because of this book I began to love reading and ever since I have read this book i have become an as would like to put it a bookworm. ANYWAYS y question is why does everyone hate her saying that she is downright pathetic is not an answer. Okay lets analyze this character. She fell in love okay soooo doesn't make her pathetic. I know so many people who would also fall in love and want to be by the person they love right? THen why is everyone saying shes so stupid she fell in love with a vampire who wants to drink her blood guess what people she fell in love with him. The author is pretty much implying that love can overcome anything. Now some people say oh she is so stupid to go to the ballet studio and have this guy who wants to kill. Her first and foremost she is a mere mortal and she thinks that the best thing she can do is to put herself in her mom's place so everyone can be safe..... in my perspective this is extremely noble. SO anyways please tell me your thoughts because i would really like to know! Thanks!!!!
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-Bella swears she never lies. Then lies to her mum, her dad, her new friends, Edward, Carlisle, her boss, herself ...
-Bella says she is mature, old beyond her years. And then Edward/Alice/Jacob/Charlie has to wait for her to finish temper tantrums. They try to reason boundaries with her, making compromises, and she sticks her heels in to get exactly what she wants, or goes behind their backs to get it anyway. Very mature.
-Bella says she is selfless, but running away from home to go to Italy for three days without so much as a note? Selfish. Can't see anyone from her old life when she becomes a vampire but then Charlie practically moves in? Selfish.
Give me something actually redeeming about her. And don't give me that clumsy shit, she stumbled once as a device to make Edward smell her. Clumsy indeed.

And of course, being one of the nerdy kids, I keenly felt her disdain for nerdy kids. For all her talk of being an outsider and a misfit, her attitude toward her classmates is that of the worst "popular" stereotype. At least she never said aloud some of the things that found their way into her narrative.
I agree with what Siobhan and M.R. said, but for the most part, I hate how Bella is so extremely bland. Within the first three pages of Twilight I already formed the opinion that Bella was as boring as hell, and that opinion did not change a single bit for the next 500 pages.
Her personality is shallow and lacks any real psychological depth--I suspect for the sake of being a self-insert for the reader. I don't think Bella is absolutely horrible, but she's about as interesting as a rock. Her personality, while there, is nothing particularly unusual, original or sympathetic IMO. Ultimately she does not stand out as an exceptional character in the romance genre as a whole, or fantasy genre, or any other genre Twilight can be classified in.
Typically when I read a book, I want the main characters to engage me and fascinate me. They don't have to be likable (as long as they become likable as the story develops later on), they just have to be interesting and unique. Bella is not unique in any way, shape or form in my opinion; her personality is bland as hell--and as if that weren't enough, it's also pretty generic. Right off the bat I felt like I was reading Bella's character for the thouuuuuuusandth time.
There are other reasons I don't like Bella--she's not very likable, Mary Sue, etc. etc., but the way she bores me to death is my main problem with her.
Her personality is shallow and lacks any real psychological depth--I suspect for the sake of being a self-insert for the reader. I don't think Bella is absolutely horrible, but she's about as interesting as a rock. Her personality, while there, is nothing particularly unusual, original or sympathetic IMO. Ultimately she does not stand out as an exceptional character in the romance genre as a whole, or fantasy genre, or any other genre Twilight can be classified in.
Typically when I read a book, I want the main characters to engage me and fascinate me. They don't have to be likable (as long as they become likable as the story develops later on), they just have to be interesting and unique. Bella is not unique in any way, shape or form in my opinion; her personality is bland as hell--and as if that weren't enough, it's also pretty generic. Right off the bat I felt like I was reading Bella's character for the thouuuuuuusandth time.
There are other reasons I don't like Bella--she's not very likable, Mary Sue, etc. etc., but the way she bores me to death is my main problem with her.

Coincidentally, I don't have to love any characters to love a book. My favourite is we need to talk about Kevin and if you can like anyone in that book you're a lot more accepting than I am. But then I hated Holden Caulfield and therefore hated catcher in the rye (or maybe I just didn't get how it was meant to be a revolutionary book for adolescence) so it probably all comes down to expectations at the end of the day.

It's all the little things that slowly build up and make me hate her, and most of the Cullens aside from Emmett and sometimes Rosalie. (When she's not being bent around to suit the plot.) She's just not someone I care to read about, and frankly it's characters like her that have turned me off from the first person genre. It's far easier to hate a character when you're in their head all the time and can find nothing of value.

Because she's a freaking Mary Sue. And Mary Sues are no fun. Just be grateful she's not a slut like Zoey Redbird.


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I don't think The Catcher in the Rye ages very well, meaning that I don't think future generations will necessarily relate to it because times are different.

I don't hate the books. In fact, the story is actually a pretty decent idea. I just feel the execution of the story made it hard for me to empathize with her.
Add in typographical errors, grammatical errors, and exaggerations and I was exhausted by the time I had finished with the books.
It really could have been a great story with a bit of care and distance.

My sentiments exactly. If she kept to vampire canon, wrote in third person in a similar style to Harry potter (in that the reader is not omniscient, but rather views things from on Bella's shoulder, so to speak) yet had the idea of rational vampires etc etc, it could have been a masterpiece.
The third person bit would take away another thing that annoys me, where she removes narration from Bella to Jacob. She should have done that from the start, not at the end of the third novel. It's the same issue I have with the house of night books. Establish your narrator early. If you want a split narration, alternate from the beginning.


I wonder if she actually is really ordinary or is that just how she perceives herself?
Maybe Bella is a bit like Bridget Jones from The Bridget Jones Diaries in that regard. She always described herself as overweight and is obsessed with it but it is also clear that the other characters don't see her that way at all.

Still, somehow, Stephine managed to weave an interesting story, despite how it's written. I'm still trying to figure out how she did it.


I wonder if she actually is really ordinary or is that ju..."
I think it's fair to say she just has painfully low self esteem for most of the series, and doesn't realize that she's actually quite pretty until quite a ways into it. Especially since when she does actually describe how she looks in detail, most of the things she cites as flaws aren't usually perceived as such. Which is fair, it's not uncommon for otherwise pretty young women in this day and age to have their perceptions of their own body warped by those around them and the media. Society puts a lot of pressure on girls to conform to a certain image in order to fit it's idealized concept of beauty, and leaves many with tattered self esteem if they deviate even slightly.
Canonically she's not drop dead gorgeous until after the transformation, but I'd have considered her pretty even before it - rather than plain. As for why everyone fawns over her, I chalk that mostly up to wish fulfillment on Meyer's part. (At least in regards to the amount of non-platonic fawning that goes on. Not in regards to the general friendliness of the town.)
I just didn't like how she was so pathetic and obsessive over Edward. She had other friends that were willing to give her a new chance even though she was a total brat to them and didn't pay any attention to them for a year and just blew them off again once she had those hallucinations with Edward in them. She had Jacob and still jumped off a cliff just to see Edward in her imagination and didn't even think for a second about how worried he or Charlie would have been. Keep in mind this was when she believed Edward didn't even want her anymore and was simply being pathetic and didn't appreciate the people around her. She was just so blind and oblivious to the people who cared about her most and only wanted what she couldn't have. She blew Jacob off until he started avoiding her and she suddenly became super interested in what he was doing. Coincidence? I don't think so.

IMHO.

I think the reason that so many people hate Bella is she is more realistic than the Buffy fantasy creature we've been programmed to like.
Personally, I think Bella's a step in the right direction.

Siobhan wrote: "Coincidentally, I don't have to love any characters to love a book."
Kind of for me. I have to love them by the end of the book--I don't have to love them right off the bat because that would be asking too much. But my first requirement for characters is that they have to be interesting. Characters, in my opinion, is the most important element to telling a story. You could literally get every other aspect of storytelling right--plot, pacing, prose, etc.--but if you screw up the characterization, to me that could possibly ruin the novel. If I'm not interested in the characters, I don't care about them. And if I don't care about them, I don't care about the plot either, because the characters are the one driving the plot. And so on.
Kind of for me. I have to love them by the end of the book--I don't have to love them right off the bat because that would be asking too much. But my first requirement for characters is that they have to be interesting. Characters, in my opinion, is the most important element to telling a story. You could literally get every other aspect of storytelling right--plot, pacing, prose, etc.--but if you screw up the characterization, to me that could possibly ruin the novel. If I'm not interested in the characters, I don't care about them. And if I don't care about them, I don't care about the plot either, because the characters are the one driving the plot. And so on.

And you could explain Edward's absences as an illness, something recurrent without being terminal. That way she can fantasise about how he must be skipping school for vampire-specific reasons when actually he must rest that day, or he's part home-schooled, or he's getting meds.
It could be a new Life of Pi for teenagers.

I think the other reason was that her character had the potential to be so much more. She was introduced to us as a teenage girl with experience beyond her years. She made the decision to move to forks so that her mum can pursue a life with her new boyfriend. I got the impression that she was quite intelligent and somewhat independent. To go from that kind of logic to potentially getting people killed whilst trying to be a martyr (third wife hand cutter scene) really doesn't sit well with my initial impressions of her. A lot of what is claimed about her character seems to be contradicted by her actions in the book.


I agree I liked Bella until I saw the movies. Kristen Stewart did not play her as a strong smart young woman and that was the way I pictured Bella when I read the books.


Interesting, in what ways do you think she's strong? Genuinely intrigued!

Certain sacrifices, like the one in the first book when she was going to save her mother. She knew she would probably going to die but she did it anyway... But that's just my take on it, obviously so many people hate her so that's not how everyone see's her.

But most of all, for me, she seemed and acted like a regular teenager but the story made her seem like she was an old soul, so different from the other teens, as if every single other teen is super confident and dumb with no depth. There are many daughters, especially if they're not spoilt rich kids, who help their mother or father out. Many who like to read. Many female teen who lack confidence. Many female teens are interested in finding love and wanting something and it's not all about sex or lust.
Maybe it made normal teens who could relate to Bella to feel better about themselves.
It just seem weird to make Bella seem like a rarity and every other teen is dense.
Jordan wrote: "Personally, I think she is one of the strongest female leads I have read of, people just have different angles."
That's true, everyone has different angles. Though I do have to disagree that Bella is one of the strongest female leads in literature. I won't try to argue that she's weak, but there are TONS of strong female leads.
Katsa from Graceling is pretty awesome.
All the major female characters from Percy Jackson and Heroes of Olympus (mainly Annabeth Chase, Thalia Grace, Zoe Nightshade, Hazel Levesque, Reyna, Hylla) are strong.
All of the major female characters from Harry Potter (mainly Hermione Granger, Molly Weasley and Ginny Weasley) are strong.
Liesel Meminger from The Book Thief is strong.
I'm currently reading Divergent and Tris is great as well.
Lyra Belacqua from The Golden Compass.
Sadie Kane from the Kane Chronicles.
Alina Starkov from Shadow and Bone.
Alanna from Alanna: the First Adventure.
Sophie Newman from The Alchemyst.
And that's only a few from YA! Lord of the Rings has Eowyn, Game of Thrones has Arya and Catelyn Stark, and maybe even Daenerys Targaryen. Elizabeth Bennett from Pride and Prejudice. The list goes on, really...
That's true, everyone has different angles. Though I do have to disagree that Bella is one of the strongest female leads in literature. I won't try to argue that she's weak, but there are TONS of strong female leads.
Katsa from Graceling is pretty awesome.
All the major female characters from Percy Jackson and Heroes of Olympus (mainly Annabeth Chase, Thalia Grace, Zoe Nightshade, Hazel Levesque, Reyna, Hylla) are strong.
All of the major female characters from Harry Potter (mainly Hermione Granger, Molly Weasley and Ginny Weasley) are strong.
Liesel Meminger from The Book Thief is strong.
I'm currently reading Divergent and Tris is great as well.
Lyra Belacqua from The Golden Compass.
Sadie Kane from the Kane Chronicles.
Alina Starkov from Shadow and Bone.
Alanna from Alanna: the First Adventure.
Sophie Newman from The Alchemyst.
And that's only a few from YA! Lord of the Rings has Eowyn, Game of Thrones has Arya and Catelyn Stark, and maybe even Daenerys Targaryen. Elizabeth Bennett from Pride and Prejudice. The list goes on, really...



See, to me that's not strong. She lied to Alice and Jasper and ran away into what was so clearly, to me, a trap. She didn't call Florida, she didn't ask Edward for advice regardless ... to me that's selfishness, or a lack of proper thought process.
But I admire you for referencing something that built your impression of it, rather than shooting me down for asking.
And regards to other people's strong female character lists, these are some I've noticed (some YA, some older children, some adult. I'm not fussy):
Jenna from the Septimus Heap books
Remy from This Lullaby (Sarah Dessen)
Lena from Delirium
Lucy Pevensie from the Chronicles of Narnia (and my first role model)
But I like female characters who are able, and tenacious, but still have a vulnerability to them. That makes them perfect characters to me. Like, Remy in my list above, she acts tough, like she needs no one, she can hit someone on the head with a full fountain coke from a passing vehicle ... but her daddy wrote her a song when she was a kid and she uses it whenever she needs to cry. In her cupboard in her room where no one can get to her. She's one of my favourite literary characters.

In instances when everyone else around her is freaking out....she has the ability to remain calm and think decisively. You may not agree with her choices, but the most extraordinary thing about her imo is that most of the time...her first instinct is NEVER to run away from a dangerous situation. She faces them head on. Edward's often is, though. So is Jacob's. All of the men are always "We've got to get Bella to safety." and she is always saying "No, I won't go until I know so and so is safe."
I think her decision to cut herself to distract Victoria demonstrates strength. I think her decision to continue her pregnancy when she knew it might kill her demonstrates amazing strength. I think the steps that she took to ensure Renesme's safety if things didn't go as planned with the Volturi demonstrated strength.
Some other women in literature that I consider strong....
Both Anna and Kate from "My Sister's Keeper" by Jodi Picoult. These girls both show strength in how they face illness (cancer) and the possibility of death from that illness.
Hester Prynne from "The Scarlet Letter".
Anne Frank from "Diary of a Young Girl"
Celie from "The Color Purple"
The women from "The Joy Luck Club" by Amy Tan
Opal from "Because of Winn Dixie"


Now you are talking about abortion - because that is the only "choice" she could have made to protect everyone from the Volturi. Being pro-choice does not equal strength. It takes more strength to decide to keep the baby than it does to run off and "get rid of it." I don't agree with you there at all. I do agree she runs into some stupidity, but I do not feel like she should have chose abortion, against her beliefs, to protect the vampires. That is a personal decision. She stuck by her personal choice even though they were all trying to convince her to get rid of the baby.

And thanks for the preaching, I wouldn't have my child if I hadn't made a mistake and completely blinded myself to the choice of abortion. I had no idea what strength of mind any of it would take without your input.

That's true, everyone has different angles. Though I do have to disa..."
That's a good list. I haven't read them all, but I have read some. Is Divergent good? I have it, but I am reading a lot of books right now, so I don't want to start it yet, Should I soon though???

Yeah, I don't see the point in shooting someone down unless they are intentionally bashing the fans. I couldn't care less that people hate the book. What gets me is when they hate the fans. And I find it strong but I guess we all have different opinions.
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I so agree! I mean, I know I would be frickin scared just to be dating a vampire, LOL!

Technically, Jacob chose to keep Charlie in her life. She agreed that the Cullens could tell Charlie she was dead, and Jacob phased in front of Charlie so they could be in each other's lives, which isn't what Bella wanted.

To be fair, the witnesses were adults and didn't have to choose to side with Bella. Then on the other hand, speaking of it as if it was reality, I don't think murderous red eye vampires care about other people's lives, human or vampires, and Bella wouldn't have had as much support. The witnesses would have stayed to watch an execution, not to save her.
For all the danger and aggression that SM tried to paint vampires, especially ones with red eyes, most of them seemed out of character.
That's a good list. I haven't read them all, but I have read some. Is Divergent good? I have it, but I am reading a lot of books right now, so I don't want to start it yet, Should I soon though???
So far it's good! (I'm currently reading it.) I've heard that the sequel was disappointing though.
So far it's good! (I'm currently reading it.) I've heard that the sequel was disappointing though.
Jordan wrote: "I so agree! I mean, I know I would be frickin scared just to be dating a vampire, LOL!"
^Seconded! I have to admit I'd be pretty scared.
^Seconded! I have to admit I'd be pretty scared.
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