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message 1: by Becca (new)

Becca (Becca_Canote) | 101 comments It's a fun show this time. No, seriously, you should try to listen. We talk with Dave Gross, Lead Writer at Overhaul Games, and James L. Sutter a co-creator of the Pathfinder Roleplaying Game and the Fiction Editor for Paizo Publishing. They share some great insights on the relationship of role-playing games to fantasy novels as well as just about the craft of writing itself.

http://www.swordandlaser.com/home/201...

Also, Veronica peer pressures Tom into drinking. Enjoy!


message 2: by Nick (new)

Nick (Whyzen) | 1291 comments Hey, if getting signed copies of a author's work is revenge for pushing really hard to get a book read in this book club then I've got to do this more often. :-)

You guys really make me feel guilty for not having the time to read the last several months with the club. I'm going to have to find a way to chisel in a read soon.


message 3: by Karly (new)

Karly (karlyko) | 79 comments I really like Dirty Streets of Heaven. I'm a big Raymond Chandler/Philip Marlowe fan and immediately liked the pace and humor of the book. I've never read any Tad Williams before, but I understand how people enamored of his epic fantasies can be caught off guard by this one.

It kind of reminds me of Glen Cook's series, very dark epic fantasy, Black Company, and his series Garret PI (a fantasy detective). I know people who embrace the Black Company and his other epic fantasy series but not Garret PI and vice versa, and I know people who love both.


message 4: by Tamahome (new)

Tamahome | 5078 comments World builder porn?




message 5: by John (john) (new)

John (john) (DowdyKitchenMan) | 119 comments "William Gibson Lorem Ipsum" -- QOTW


message 6: by Kris (new)

Kris (KVolk) | 797 comments I will have to read this book as I like Tad Williams and I like Noir...


message 7: by Timm (new)

Timm Woods (Kexizzoc) | 43 comments I really like how Tom phrased his enjoyment of "The Dirty Streets of Heaven". I felt the exact way about Cloud Atlas; having read so many of the genres that were being played on made it a really fun read.


message 8: by Mark (new)

Mark (Mndrew) | 31 comments Whoo-hooo! Author shout-out to my favorite series - "Guardians of the Flame"! :D


message 9: by terpkristin (new)

terpkristin | 3497 comments I really loved this interview, it was a great episode. I do feel a little need to defend myself on my feelings of the current book pick...I have read a bit of urban fantasy, not as much (if any) pure noir type stuff. Bobby Dollar didn't work for me as urban fantasy, not as much as Dresden or Conor Grey. I also was not entertained by the "inner monologue" and tongue-in-cheek stuff; if that's indicative of noir, then I guess that genre isn't for me. :) that said, I'm glad I tried it, now I know (cue G.I. Joe music).

I thought it was interesting that one if the guys found it easier to write before work, and V thought she'd get more word count on a day off...I'm struggling with NaNoWriMo (though my word count online needs updating). I think part of the reason I'm not getting into it is that I consider creative endeavors a release from my normal day job stuff. But right now, I'm not working (recovering from major back surgery), so I have nothing but free time...all of my normal creative pursuits seem to be stagnating as I do. It's funny how different things work for different people.


message 10: by David Sven (new)

David Sven (Gorro) | 1582 comments terpkristin wrote: "I do feel a little need to defend myself on my feelings of the current book pick..."

Can't help the way you feel about something. If you don't like it...you don't like it. It's ok to be the only person driving the right way down a one way street.
The book doesn't appeal to me either and pretty much for the same reasons as you have stated in all your posts. I really want to like the genre but I just haven't found the right book yet. Unless you count elements of King's Dark Tower. If Dark Tower had corny humour thrown in would it count as urban fantasy?


message 11: by Tassie Dave, S&L Historian (new)

Tassie Dave | 1949 comments Mod
Great choice in wine Veronica :-)

and I thought only us Tasmanians drank Tassie wine. ;-)


message 12: by Sandi (new)

Sandi (Sandikal) | 1212 comments I agree with you Terpkristin. I'm really struggling with this book. I do like The Dresden Files and some more traditional noir novels. Altered Carbon is a really good example of a noir science fiction novel. I loved that book. I don't think it's the noir that's bugging me. It's the over-explanation and the repetitive explanations. I really think I only need to be told once that time is different on the Outside and in Heaven.


message 13: by David Sven (new)

David Sven (Gorro) | 1582 comments Great episode guys. I have to agree with Tom re DSOH, its a genre preference thing for me. I'm not into noire at all. I didn't even like the video game LA Noire.


message 14: by Rob, Roberator (new)

Rob (robzak) | 4660 comments Mod
I haven't read any purely Noir stuff, but I love most of the Urban Fantasy I've read. I was pretty meh on the book. It was more of a letdown for me because it seemed to be so hyped before I read it too.

The writing seemed quite good to me. I can tell that Mr. Williams is a talented author. It made me more interested in reading some of his traditional fantasy books. I just was underwhelmed by the humor and some of the plot points.

I'm not sure if that means I don't like Noir as Tom seems to indicate, or if it's simply Mr. Williams execution of it in this case.

I do plan on checking out books 2/3 when they are out in paperback (or simply borrowing from the library). I'll be curious if I like one of those better.


message 15: by Veronica, Supreme Sword (new)

Veronica Belmont (veronicabelmont) | 1429 comments Mod
Tassie Dave wrote: "Great choice in wine Veronica :-)

and I thought only us Tasmanians drank Tassie wine. ;-)"


THAT'S WHAT TASSIE MEANS?!

It's all so clear to me now...


message 16: by Tamahome (new)

Tamahome | 5078 comments I thought it was tassels.


message 17: by Dharmakirti (last edited Nov 16, 2012 12:43PM) (new)

Dharmakirti | 942 comments If you like noir, I suggest checking out Disciple of the Dog by R. Scott Bakker. It's one of my favorites. I would also suggest Drive by James Sallis (the film version of Drive is also quite good). Actually, pretty much everything by James Sallis is worth reading.

I would also suggest checking out Dog to Dog: A Conversation with Scott Bakker and James Sallis (from Dec. 2010) on the Mulholland Books website.


message 18: by William (new)

William | 23 comments So this show was great, I just started playing pathfinder myself with a few friends and now I have a few more books to add to my to read list!


message 19: by David Sven (new)

David Sven (Gorro) | 1582 comments Veronica wrote: "Tassie Dave wrote: "Great choice in wine Veronica :-)

and I thought only us Tasmanians drank Tassie wine. ;-)"

THAT'S WHAT TASSIE MEANS?!

It's all so clear to me now..."



Tassie Devil

Tassie Dave is actually code for Tassie Devil


message 20: by Rob, Roberator (new)

Rob (robzak) | 4660 comments Mod
William wrote: "So this show was great, I just started playing pathfinder myself with a few friends and now I have a few more books to add to my to read list!"

We play D&D 3.5 but are playing modules made for pathfinder.


message 21: by Becca (last edited Nov 16, 2012 02:43PM) (new)

Becca (Becca_Canote) | 101 comments David Sven wrote: "Tassie Dave is actually code for Tassie Devil "

So many pieces just fell into place.


message 22: by David Sven (new)

David Sven (Gorro) | 1582 comments Us Aussies are full of layers...I won't say what of.


message 23: by Rob, Roberator (new)

Rob (robzak) | 4660 comments Mod
David Sven wrote: "Us Aussies are full of layers...I won't say what of."

Guacamole?


message 24: by David Sven (new)

David Sven (Gorro) | 1582 comments Rob wrote: "David Sven wrote: "Us Aussies are full of layers...I won't say what of."

Guacamole?"


Only after a plate full of Nachos


message 25: by Martin (new)

Martin (Martinc36au) | 73 comments I have a dilemma after listening to this. I have heard a number of writers, Joss Whedon most recently, state the "writers have to write" and that if you can not write, then, by definition, you are not a writer.

I of course used this as an excuse to not write anything.

Now we have successful writers refuting this stance which weakens my position somewhat and may actually mean I have to risk finding out if I can actually write anything worth while.


message 26: by William (new)

William | 23 comments Rob wrote: "William wrote: "So this show was great, I just started playing pathfinder myself with a few friends and now I have a few more books to add to my to read list!"

We play D&D 3.5 but are playing modu..."

That's awesome, is it easy to convert characters for use to pathfinder from 3.5? I have a friend who plays 3.5 and was complaining about pathfinder.


message 27: by Rob, Roberator (new)

Rob (robzak) | 4660 comments Mod
What I meant was that we play modules written for pathfinder, but use the 3.5 rules instead.


message 28: by Tyler (new)

Tyler Lutz (tylerlutz) | 233 comments Rob wrote: "What I meant was that we play modules written for pathfinder, but use the 3.5 rules instead."

Some friends and I just started a module called The Godsmouth Heresy. Have you tried that one?


message 29: by Rob, Roberator (new)

Rob (robzak) | 4660 comments Mod
No. We've been playing a series of books set in Korvosa

I'm not sure what the module names are though.


message 30: by Tyler (new)

Tyler Lutz (tylerlutz) | 233 comments Rob wrote: "No. We've been playing a series of books set in Korvosa

I'm not sure what the module names are though."


Did you get one of those Adventure Path books?


message 31: by Rob, Roberator (new)

Rob (robzak) | 4660 comments Mod
That sounds like that might be right. I'm not the DM, and he doesn't exactly let us browse the books he's using.

The first book we did involved a plague. We don't play often or accomplish a lot with each session so progress has been slow, but fun.


message 32: by Tyler (new)

Tyler Lutz (tylerlutz) | 233 comments Rob wrote: "That sounds like that might be right. I'm not the DM, and he doesn't exactly let us browse the books he's using.

The first book we did involved a plague. We don't play often or accomplish a lot wi..."


I'm DM-ing for the first time and I now realize how much preparation one must do in order to have an entertaining game. Pathfinder has made it a fun experience though.


message 33: by Rob, Roberator (new)

Rob (robzak) | 4660 comments Mod
Cool. Good luck.


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