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message 1: by Anna (Bananas!) (last edited Nov 15, 2012 04:36PM) (new)

Anna  (Bananas!) | 758 comments I hesitate to put this topic under Movies, only because I'd like to talk about horror books and comics also. But I figure horror fans will come here regardless.

I just watched a trailer for a new Evil Dead movie due in 2013. First, how have I not heard about this until now?! It looks creepy!
So it's definitely not like the campy, crazy classics but I'm interested regardless. It has a similar realistic look and feel as the Texas Chainsaw Massacre remake IMO, which I loved.

WARNING! This is a redband trailer so beware. I cringed a couple times watching it myself but damn I'm excited to see it. (Side note, please no more tree rapes.)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ceBXUy...

For Evil Dead fans, what is your favorite of the series? I can't pick one myself, too hard. Have any of you gone on to watch countless awful Bruce Campbell movies (like me) because you're such a fan?

I got really, really into horror several years ago and now it's one of my favorite genres. This book is part of what got me started: Men, Women, and Chainsaws by Carol Clover. http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/37...

So, horror films...
What are your favorites?
Which ones did you hate, or are there any that were too intense or gory for you?
Any little-known gems you can recommend?
Does a horror film have to be rated R to be good?
Do you have a favorite horror sub-genre?
What zombie movies do you love?
Is Cabin in the Woods a true horror film?
What do you think about the upcoming Carrie remake?

Books and comics, same general questions.


message 2: by Kelly (new)

Kelly (xitomatl) I am also a horror freak. Love it. I will put up with the shittiest movies in the vain hope that something good will emerge.

Thanks for sharing the link for the trailer - I hadn't seen it yet but I'd been hearing about it for months. As a general rule I really shy away from any remakes, but since we're talking the same people here, I'm probably going to go an see it (and some of those moments were truly cringe-inducing, I can't imagine what else is in there).

My favourite of the Evil Dead series? Army of Darkness. I mean, it's just so ridiculous, plus has some of the most quotable lines ever ("It's a trick, get an axe" is an often used line in my house). But that's followed up closely by the first.

Oddly enough I'm not a huge horror novel fan. Mostly because there's so much crap, you have to wade through a lot of truly awful, obvious, eye-roll inducing garbage to get to anything good. Even some of the supposed "greats" I just find so awful (Stephen King and Brian Keene - sorry, I just don't like them!). The writing itself I quite often find bad as well - poor characters, stupid plots, and no love of the craft for writing in the words. Just because it's horror doesn't mean you can't have beauty in the words, am I right?

Having said that John Dies at the End is probably my favourite horror book of all time. There are gems out there - they're just hard to find. What are you favourites Anna?

I heard Citadel is quite good - I've been reading some awesome reviews. I can't wait to see that one.

To answer your questions:
What are your favorites? I'm a big fan of the horror comedy because the two compliment each other so well. Shaun of the Dead, Ginger Snaps (brilliant), and any of the old Universal Horror Monsters (Dracula, The Wolf Man, etc.). I'm also a BIG fan of Halloween. Michael Meyers is definitely my favourite psycho-serial-killer. Blood Feast is also a favourite because it is truly awful and unintentionally hilarious. It also has the honour of being the first slasher movie ever made (my boyfriend quite rightly said "it makes Plan 9 From Outer Space look like Citizen Kane").

Which ones did you hate, or are there any that were too intense or gory for you?I'm not a fan of torture-porn. I want some semblance of story. The remake of the House of Wax was fucking awful too (pretty close to torture porn, and completely unlike the original).

Any little-known gems you can recommend? Ginger Snaps, which was a Canadian movie and is absolutely brilliant. It doesn't seem to be very widely known south of the border. There's three of them, but watch the first, it's the best.

Does a horror film have to be rated R to be good? Absolutely not - true horror is in the mind, not blood and guts.

Do you have a favorite horror sub-genre? Definitely comedy horror, but I like a good sci-fi horror too.

What zombie movies do you love? Night of the Living Dead (original), Shaun of the Dead, and Dawn of the Dead (the original damnit!). Those are my favourite three.

Is Cabin Fever a true horror film? Totally is. Why wouldn't it be?

What do you think about the upcoming Carrie remake? I love Chloe Graze Moretz... although like I said I'm not big on remakes. I'm on the fence. I definitely won't rush out to see it.


message 3: by Anna (Bananas!) (last edited Nov 12, 2012 12:22AM) (new)

Anna  (Bananas!) | 758 comments Kelly wrote: "I am also a horror freak. Love it. I will put up with the shittiest movies in the vain hope that something good will emerge."

Yeah, I knew there must be at least one other horror fan in the group! :)

If I'm being honest...Army of Darkness is my favorite too. I love the tagline on the movie poster - Trapped in time. Surrounded by Evil. Low on gas.
And it's so quotable:
"I needed a horse blanket. Thanks."
"THIS is my boomstick. It retails for..."
"Shop smart, shop S-Mart."
"You're leading Jack and Shit. And Jack left town five minutes ago."
"Klaatu barada na-*cough, cough*. There, I said it."

My concern on the Evil Dead remake trailer is that they may have shown all the best creepy moments, but I guess we'll see.

Slasher pics and torture porn aren't my favorite but I do watch them. I just cringe a lot.
Ghost stories are what freak me out and keep me awake after I watch them. The Ring really creeped me out.
I love pyschological horror best, like The Shining. All time best horror movie in my opinion.
I love funny horror movies too! Shaun of the Dead is just great. We saw Black Sheep (oh god) and Tucker and Dale VS Evil recently. Enjoyed them both. I've had a couple people recommend Ahhh! Zombies, so I'm going to check that out. I have seen Ginger Snaps actually, when I worked at Blockbuster and watched EVERYthing. It was pretty good. I haven't seen Blood Feast, but it sounds like I should check it out.
LOL, did you not like the remake of DAwn of the Dead? I loved it. TX Chainsaw Massacre too. I'm always interested in remakes, because I want to see what they'll do with it. Not saying they're all good though.
Cabin Fever was not scary at all for me. I loved it, but it was almost more sci-fi the way they were controlling the whole horror set up. It seems like a total love letter to horror movies though. I loved the Sigourney cameo at the end. And the Evil Dead-ish hand was awesome!

I haven't read a lot of horror novels either but I'd like to read. I tried a couple Stephen King books and was promptly bored to tears. He's overrated. I liked Season of Passage, which is a sci-fi horror novel, and The Listeners, which was very chilling, both by Christopher Pike. Ruins by Scott Smith was good. I Am Legend by Richard Matheson was great. Drawing Blood and Exquisite Corpse by Poppi Z Brite were...unforgettable. Likewise on Under the Skin by Michael Faber. Warm Bodies was good but could be considered comedy/romance as much as horror. There's a movie coming out though and it looks good!
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11...

I will definitely read John Dies at the End. The synopsis sounds great!

I'm interested in horror comics but haven't loved the two I've read so far, No Place Like Home and Grim Leaper.


message 4: by Kelly (new)

Kelly (xitomatl) Anna (Bananas!) wrote: "LOL, did you not like the remake of DAwn of the Dead? "

I can't say I didn't like it, but I didn't love it. If there's nothing else on TV and the Space channel is playing it, I'll watch it. But I also like Sarah Polley and Ving Rhames.

The problem with any remake of any Romero movie is that the people remaking it seem to see the surface of the movie (zombies, crazy killings, etc.) but they don't see the underlying themes that Romero so brilliantly inserts. Dawn of the Dead was about zombies, but it was also about consumerism. Night of the Living dead was about zombies, but it was also about racism. Day of the Dead has a highly political theme, etc. They're all about the humanity involved though, monsters vs. humans (and who is the real monster) and anybody who remakes his movies just doesn't seem to get this.

Have you seen The Crazies Anna? Romero's original, not the remake (which was almost painful to watch in my opinion considering the excellent play and script of the original, chock full of Romero's statements on humanity).

Also, there's something to be said about less gore in any original movie - more of it was left off screen, and that is always ultimately scarier than seeing a bunch of gore.

One thing I will say for a remake - Rob Zombie's Halloween - it was interesting how he delved into Michael's past more and we actually saw him progressing as a child. That kid that played young Michael was very damned creepy. The whole thing humanized Michael more. But, the original story wasn't about humanizing Michael, it was about making him an evil force of nature. So was it good? It was certainly interesting, I'll give it that.

You're right about The Cabin In The Woods (here we are both saying Cabin Fever - which I haven't seen - and we mean The Cabin In The Woods, hah!), there is a strong sci-fi element to it, there's also a good amount of black comedy. Perhaps it's the first sci-com-horror film out there? But it was definitely a love letter to all things horror, and that I loved. All the little nods to horror movies past made it so fun to watch. I love things like that, it makes you feel like you're in on the joke.

I Am Legend is one of my favourite books. I've always considered it more sci-fi than horror, but it is one of those books that blurs the line quite a bit between the two. As a side note, The Last Man On Earth is the only movie adaption worth watching. Omega Man was so stupid, and I Am Legend with Will Smith was just ridiculous. Especially the end - OH GOD THE END.

I've stayed away from Warm Bodies because I'm really picky about my zombies are. I'm a very staunch supporter of the classic Romero zombie, so even fast super-human zombies I don't like, let alone if they start being sentient. That's just not what zombies are supposed to be damnit! You take that away from them, and they're just not scary.

It's like making the vampires in Twilight sparkle and be all lame. Don't even get me started on Twilight though. You got a couple of days? ;)

I like the old horror comics from the 30s-50s. The Vault of Horror, Tales from the Crypt, etc. The stuff before the Comics Code came out (very fascinating history there by the way!). I haven't read any new horror comics but I'm sure there must be something good out there. Let's make it our mission Anna to find some good ones!

I should say, my favourite horror writer is Poe. Gotta love Poe. I've read all his stories several times, and if you want to talk about psychological horror - the man defined it (not to mention invented the modern day detective genre - another of my favourites!!). I could sing the praises of Poe from the roof top all day if given half the chance.

You mentioned The Shining - which I also loved. I think it's very interesting that Stephen King hated the movie adaption considering what we both think of King (pedestrian is the word that comes to mind when anybody says his name).


message 5: by Anna (Bananas!) (last edited Nov 12, 2012 01:36PM) (new)

Anna  (Bananas!) | 758 comments Kelly wrote: "If there's nothing else on TV...
The problem with any remake of any Romero movie is that the people remaking it seem to see the surface of the movie (zombies, crazy killings, etc.) but they don't see the underlying themes that Romero so brilliantly inserts. Dawn of the Dead was about zombies, but it was also about consumerism. Night of the Living dead was about zombies, but it was also about racism. Day of the Dead has a highly political theme, etc. They're all about the humanity involved though, monsters vs. humans (and who is the real monster) and anybody who remakes his movies just doesn't seem to get this."


The Dawn of the Dead remake is on TV ALL the time it seems. I see your point on Romero. I did miss the funny consumerism commentary of the original. They played that down more in the remake but it was still there.

I haven't seen Crazies but I didn't know there even was an original, and it sounds GOOD!

I actually liked the Halloween remake, but I confess I was never into the originals because MM was such a blank slate.

Ah ha ha, you are so right. I meant Cabin in the Woods, not Cabin Fever, not that it mattered to our brains apparently. :) I'll correct it in the original post. And yes, you feel like you're in on the joke, knowing all these great (and not so great) horror films that they reference. The Hellraiser guy was super creepy. Speaking of Cabin Fever, it wasn't bad, pretty gory.

It's funny you mention Warm Bodies with Twilight. There's a blurb on the cover comparing it to Twilight, which I thought was somewhat inaccurate. I actually really liked the twist that the zombies in WB start to become human again. They get smarter, almost like the zombies in Land of the Dead. (See how I threw in a Romero reference to try to sway you.)

I Am Legend the story is so good. So disturbing. The vampire (is that what they even are?) talking to him through his door, and then later when he's in the truck and one of them is latched onto the vehicle, I was freaking out!
I was extremely disappointed in the Will Smith version and haven't seen the others. They all get saved at the end, right, can't quite remember. I just HATED the zombie/vampire CGI creatures. They were not scary at all. Someone else recommended Last Man on Earth - wait maybe it was you, on another movie thread... I haven't read any other Matheson stories yet. Did you like others?

Oh, the Descent. I loved that horror movie. I was told the 2nd one is good also.

What's the comics code? Is that the code in the 20s or 30s that made filmmakers remove all the fun nudity, gore, and sex from movies? Lame.

Deal on finding good horror comics. I'm going to grill my comic shop owners on Wed. On a mission now!

Yes, very funny on The Shining. :) I didn't care much for the miniseries they did that was supposed to be closer to the original book. King - meh.

Poe! I love him. I've read several stories but I have a huge book that I still have the majority to read. I actually started a short horror story last weekend that I'll be posting on GR soon. My boyfriend said I should read the Pit and the Pendulum as it's semi-related. And I know I read it years ago, but I don't recall how the story starts. All I remember is, well, the pit and the pendulum.


message 6: by Melissa (last edited Nov 13, 2012 02:19PM) (new)

Melissa (Desiderata11) As far as The Evil Dead goes, I’m not a huge fan. I’ve seen a little of them, enjoyed the humor, and even played one of the video games on the Xbox, but I don’t really have a favorite.

Anytime I hear the word remake, I cringe. I think the fact that the original creators of the Evil Dead franchise are going to be involved with the remake will bode well for the film.

Favorite horror films – The Descent (great score, too), Spider Forest (more psychological than horror), A Tale of Two Sisters, Invasion of the Body Snatchers (version with Donald Sutherland; masquerading as a sci-fi/alien invasion, when it’s really a horror film), Alien, Black Christmas, The Birds (technically not the best ex. of a horror film; I just find it entertaining, and I like a lot of Hitchcock’s work), Poltergeist, The Ghost and the Darkness (based on true events); I also like monster movie horror/campy flicks like Tremors and The Host (foreign). I think these two are somewhat mis-categorized as horror (especially the latter – it’s more of a drama with elements of comedy, so…a dramedy with a monster.)

Which ones did you hate, or are there any that were too intense or gory for you?
You mentioned Cabin Fever (even though you meant Cabin in the Woods), so I have to admit that Cabin Fever was one of the dumbest movies I have ever seen. I hated that movie for a number of reasons. Likewise, I’m not a fan of torture or glorification of evil in horror films (which a lot of them do, but some just kind of go above and beyond), and I strongly, intensely disliked the remake of The House at the End of the Street (I like there to be at least a little humanity to characters in horror films, but these people were all horrible, horrible people). I also tend to strongly dislike and/or hate torture-porn and films which try to be clever in showing characters die in horrible and unique ways (the first Final Destination film is one of the few exceptions).

Any little-known gems you can recommend? Hmm. I don’t know. Probably the aforementioned two (A Tale of Two Sisters and Spider Forest). A Tale of Two Sisters isn’t scary. I’d compare the differences between this horror film and other horror films to the difference between a regular Western and a Spaghetti Western, the latter of which basks in slow, drawn out scenes made to build character, tone, and story. This is what A Tale of Two Sisters does. I’ve seen it a ton of times, and I still remember how much I enjoyed it the first time. As for Spider Forest, I’ve heard someone describe it as a beautiful nightmare, and I totally agree. The cinematography is gorgeous, as is some of the music, and I just loved the pacing of the film and the slow reveal. Again, as with AToTS, it’s not scary.

There’s also a vampire horror film from the 80s called Near Dark. I wouldn’t say it’s completely unknown, but it’s pretty well done. I also love how Jenette Goldstein (plays Vasquez in Aliens; this actress has been in very few roles but she is a total chameleon and does excellent in everything she’s done) plays her role. It’s one of the more unusual vampire movies that I’ve seen, but I'm not too keen on the romance. Oh, and I love, love, love A Trilogy of Terror. It has one story based off of a Richard Matheson short (this is one of the very few cases where the movie did the story better), which is about this fetish doll that the main character buys. Karen Black stars in all three short tales, but the one about the doll is particularly awesome.

Also, came across what I want to say was an Australian flick called Black Water (not to be mistaken for the Asian horror film called Dark Water or the American remake with the same title). This one accomplishes what Primeval totally failed at: creating a tense horror film with the main characters pitted against a killer crocodile. Think Jaws, but in Australia and with a croc. Very cool.


message 7: by Melissa (last edited Nov 12, 2012 03:57PM) (new)

Melissa (Desiderata11) Does a horror film have to be rated R to be good? I think the downfall of the vast majority of horror films is that they try too hard to reach that R-rating by putting in insert-amount-of-gore or insert-amount-of-curse-words and/or nudity, while others, like the unrated Diabolique or the PG-rated Poltergeist, Jaws, and Invasion of the Body Snatchers accomplish so much without that hard-R rating.

Do you have a favorite horror sub-genre?
I like monster movies, but there are very few good ones, and I guess I tend to enjoy more psychological horror. There’s this one foreign film called The Experiment. It’s based on true events, in which participants in an experiment would play jail guards and prisoners. In real life, things got out of hand, and it had to be shut down. The movie goes beyond what happened and kind of plays the what-if card. What if the experiment had gone on? I think it was an interesting film, and I like horror films that get me thinking. I also love the Twilight Zone show, which tends to be more horror/psychological thriller than anything else.

What zombie movies do you love? I’m probably more of a fan of the older Resident Evil games than I am of any zombie movie. I’m always a little disappointed. I thought 28 Days Later was alright (plus, it’s scored by John Murphy). Other than this one, I’d probably say the b&w Night of the Living Dead.

Is Cabin Fever [inserts Cabin in the Woods] a true horror film? Because Joss Whedon’s name was involved, I wanted to see it but haven’t gotten around to it yet. So, I can’t say.

What do you think about the upcoming Carrie remake? I haven’t given much thought to it, to be honest. I’m not too fond of remakes, because of past experiences. I think Hollywood is running out of fresh ideas, especially where horror films are concerned and after the gamut of remakes that have been dished out in the last years (My Bloody Valentine – who knew Jensen Ackles’ acting could be that bad – Friday the 13th, A Nightmare on Elm Street, etc.), I’m ready for something new. And I don’t know if anyone knows this, but there was a movie very similar to Carrie made in ’78 called The Initiation of Sarah, but that one’s not as much a horror film as Carrie. I don’t know if the remake will do as well as Carrie or the ’78 film which was so similar (and which also had a really bad remake of it not so long back).

And my favorite horror book, though it’s a short one would have to be I Am Legend. It’s a totally different take on vampirism. It’s about isolation at its worst and loneliness at its cruelest and humanity at its last, and its startling and sad and horrible all at once. I’m not big on reading horror, but that one really stood out. I’ve also read some things by Lovecraft which weren’t half bad.

Urg. That was unbelievably long! Did anybody even sit through all that? Sorry. I didn’t intend to go on and on.


message 8: by Kelly (new)

Kelly (xitomatl) Anna (Bananas!) wrote: "I Am Legend the story is so good. So disturbing. The vampire (is that what they even are?) talking to him through his door..."

They're not strictly vampires but they're kind of vampiric. They're likened to vampires most often, but they're closer to zombies in the way that most zombie fiction is based on it being viral or some kind of sickness. Matheson's monsters in I Am Legend are kind of a weird form all their own, and that's what I liked about it.

Amen to the CG monsters in the Will Smith version though - whatever idiot came up with that should be banned from filmmaking for life. It was so cheap and awful looking.

You're thinking of the Hays code in terms of the censorship of movies - the Comics Code is very similar and came out of the same concept - we have to censor what people see because of the children, or whatever. There's a particularly good documentary that highlights the subject quite well called Comic Book Confidential that I highly recommend any comics fan watch. It was made in 1988 so there's been quite a bit new that's happened in the world of comics since then, but it's a great primer for anybody interested in comics history.

If you can't get your hands on a copy (although I believe it's available on Netflix!), you can read about the Comic code here. It was abandoned in 2010 I believe. Amazing how a censorship body lasted that long - but then again, look at the MPAA (complete sideline, but if you want to see a great documentary, also on Netflix, about the MPAA and censorship I recommend This Film Is Not Yet Rated - it's fantastic).

Nora wrote: " I also tend to strongly dislike and/or hate torture-porn and films which try to be clever in showing characters die in horrible and unique ways (the first Final Destination film is the one of the few exceptions)."

I just have to say YES to this. I love the original Final Destination, quite clever, especially with the death sequences (I also love Rube Goldberg machines, so that might explain that).

Nora wrote: "I thought 28 Days Later was alright (...)"

Not zombies! It's closer to the Crazies. Even Danny Boyle said so ;). But, having said that, this is also one of my favourites. Apparently they're planning ANOTHER one (28 months later I would imagine...).

I totally stuck with you the whole way Nora ;).

Anna - tell me if your comic book shop turns up anything good!


message 9: by Anna (Bananas!) (last edited Nov 13, 2012 12:53PM) (new)

Anna  (Bananas!) | 758 comments Nora,
I LOVE Alien and Poltergeist. The Experiment was great, especially since it was based on a real event. Tremors is so fun, and A Tale of Two Sisters was creepy. The House at the End of the Street wasn't too bad until the end, when the parents go all crazy. It was just cheesy.

I thought 28 Days Later, the movie and the score, were fantastic. Definitely not a zombie movie, more like a rage virus. It's one of my favorites. I also love Danny Boyle's Sunshine, although that's sci-fi.

Hooray, another I Am Legend fan. :) I have a book of Lovecraft, haven't read it yet, but everyone says Mountain of Madness (or something like that) is great.


Kelly, I liked that about Legend too, that the monsters in the story were undefined and unique.

Hays Code, that's it. I'll have to look up the comics code, sounds interesting. Wow, abandoned in 2010?? I'm surprised it was so recent.

Will let you know if I get any good recommendations at the comic shop. I did buy The Green Woman by Peter Straub recently, which is about a serial killer, apparently from his books which I've never read. I bought it mainly for the absolutely beautiful art but I'm excited to read it too!


message 10: by Anna (Bananas!) (last edited Nov 14, 2012 08:15PM) (new)

Anna  (Bananas!) | 758 comments I got some recommendations from Ruby at the comic shop today.

Dark Horse apparently is a big horror publisher. Don't know a lot about them myself. Their website says: "Dark Horse Comics is the third-largest comics publisher in the U.S., known for such titles as Star Wars, Buffy & Hellboy."
http://www.darkhorse.com/

I picked up Dark Horse Presents, Issue 15, which is an anthology. Ruby tells me horror lends itself well to short story collections, so you'll see a lot of them. The art and stories in this one look varied. She also recommended another anthology called Ghosts, which is a new release.

I bought single issues of two new series.
- Criminal Macabre from Dark Horse Comics, which looks to be about werewolves. I thought the cover was funny. A billboard says "Change You Can Believe In 2012" with a werewolf pointing out from it, similar to the old Uncle Sam posters.
- Lot 13, published by DC comics; the tagline for that is "Suburbia's never been so terrifying." The art looks great.

Side note, Kelly, she mentioned the comics code offhand and I was like, I've heard of that!LOL
She explained it a bit more.


message 11: by JaeRavenClaw (new)

JaeRavenClaw (AngelousPeacock) | 30 comments I am a huge horror fan and I love talking about all aspects of it. I love horror comics, books, movies (definitely), manga, and blogs.

Evil Dead is probably going to be the horror movie to beat next year. I seriously can't wait for it. I'm sure that it will be ten times better whatever Paranormal Activity is going to do.

So on that note.......
What are your favorites?
I will always watch Repo! The Genetic Opera or Audition. Those two are definitely my faves in horror. The Loved Ones is a great horror movie too, just to name something more recent.

Which ones did you hate, or are there any that were too intense or gory for you?
I actually didn't finish Otis and I skipped over Saw 4 and 5. I have a huge thing about watching people getting electrocuted. I don't like it and I don't watch it. As far as hate, I can honestly say that a lot of the Troma films (Stuff Stephanie in the Incinerator, Class of Nuke Em High) can be pretty bad, but they're funny most of the time, so watch at your own risk.

Any little-known gems you can recommend?
If you want to get away from American horror, try Attack the Block. It's an English film dealing with aliens, but you have to watch it. The aliens are black dog-like creatures with glowing teeth that will eat you in a second. The cast is great and the story is pretty compelling.

Does a horror film have to be rated R to be good?
Not at all. The only thing about horror movies is that most are either rated R or not at all. Brain Dead (2007) actually has a PG rating and I really enjoyed it. The Korean horror, Yoga (or Yoga Institute) isn't rated, but I thought it was an enjoyable movie. All About Evil isn't rated either, but as a comedy/horror, it's good.

Do you have a favorite horror sub-genre?
Comedy I love, Shaun of the Dead, Tucker and Dale vs Evil, Army of Darkness, Idle Hands, I don't think that you can really go wrong watching any of these.

What zombie movies do you love?
I'm not a zombie movie fan, but I will go see World War Z. The trailer was cray cray.

Is Cabin in the Woods a true horror film?
It is. Cabin takes the most common horror movie cliches and puts them in one movie, but although it's funny in some parts, it keeps you guessing about what's really going on and makes it worth it in the end.

What do you think about the upcoming Carrie remake?
I never watched the original Carrie, but I've read the book many times and I can only hope that they do it justice. I'll wait for you guys to tell me how it is.


message 12: by Anna (Bananas!) (last edited Nov 15, 2012 04:35PM) (new)

Anna  (Bananas!) | 758 comments Janelle, glad to see you're excited about Evil Dead also. I can't wait!

I kept hearing about Attack the Block but no one ever mentioned the dog-like creatures. NOW I'm interested.

World War Z trailer?? Must go look it up. BYE!


message 13: by Kelly (new)

Kelly (xitomatl) I was so disappointed by the World War Z trailer. They took a fantastic idea and great book, and changed it into something (by the looks of it) quite ridiculous.

Phooey.

I'll still see it anyway, but I KNOW I'll be disappointed.

Not to any fault of Max Brooks by the way, he had nothing to do with the movie. The movie has been kind of a nightmare to make and I think that's probably a lot of the cause of its problems. Brooks did say at his talk at Calgary Expo that if this movie does well though, they want to make it into a trilogy.


message 14: by Stefani - SpelingExpirt, White Rabbit (new)

Stefani - SpelingExpirt (Speling_Expirt) | 307 comments Mod
I was so excited for World War Z until I saw the trailer. They can run? WTF!? I know that makes them scarier but them not being able to run is such a huge part of the books.

The only thing that excited me about the trailer was the entire first half in the traffic jam and where you see them all running across the square with red gravel because it was filmed in Glasgow, which is where I live, and apart from adding yellow traffic lights it's like they haven't even tried to hide that it's Glasgow. The big fancy building you see on the bottom part of the square is our city council chamber. I spent the entire first part of the trailer freaking out and rambling about how it was Glasgow and it looked awesome.

It was only after that bit that I calmed down enough to notice the zombies could run. Bleurgh.


message 15: by Kelly (new)

Kelly (xitomatl) A friend if mine was on set for the parts in Glasgow! It's actually the city I want to visit most in this world, so while I haven't been myself I recognized a lot from pictures I've seen.

Having said that, they were supposed to make it into Philadelphia, which has a lot of similar architecture, so I can see why they filmed it in Glasgow.

When will people learn that fast zombies aren't scary? What makes zombies scary is the mindless horde aspect damnit.


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Kelly wrote: "A friend if mine was on set for the parts in Glasgow! It's actually the city I want to visit most in this world, so while I haven't been myself I recognized a lot from pictures I've seen.

Having ..."


You want to visit Glasgow? I think I can honestly say I've never met anyone that wants to visit here more than anywhere else! I didn't bother going to visit the set until my Nanny came through to see me and I took her along, despite being 67 she's so cool. She recently visited the set of a Nicole Kidman/Colin Firth film every day because they were filming in the house she spent summers in as a child in our home town of North Berwick.

I did consider auditioning to be a zombie but the auditions were on a Saturday and I was working all day. Sad face.

The only time I've found fast zombies to be scarier than slow ones was when I watched Dead Set because it was the first time I'd seen them. My reaction was 'Oh crap I couldn't outrun them. Noooooo.' After that I got over them quickly.


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Kelly (xitomatl) Stefani wrote: "You want to visit Glasgow? I think I can honestly say I've never met anyone that wants to visit here more than anywhere else!"

Do you know how many Scottish people say that to me? ;) On the other hand, I got a bug up my ass about it because all the Scottish people who didn't say that to me said "oh, you have to go to Glasgow, you'd love it." That led to research about the city, and here I find myself, desperate to visit Glasgow.

I also love those crazy Glaswegian accents ;).

Back to the topic at hand - I actually really enjoyed Dead Set, fast zombies and all. It was quite original.

See, I don't doubt that zombies would say, have the ability to move relatively quickly within the first 6 or so hours after death. But after that? You're looking at severe stiffening of the limbs and rigor. How could something ever move fast under those conditions?

It just doesn't make sense! I'm all for suspension of disbelief, but you can't throw all laws of nature out the window.


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Stefani - SpelingExpirt (Speling_Expirt) | 307 comments Mod
I enjoyed Dead Set, Davina McCall as a zombie was the highlight of the entire thing. I loved watching a show I'd had tout up with for years being satirised and zombiefied.

One of the things I enjoy most about the Walking Dead comics is Kirkman's refusal to make them run.

I think the best thing about slow zombies is that with fast ones you know you'd be on high alert all the time because you're expecting them to run at you but with slow ones you could almost relax while walking along and then BRAINS there's one appeared out of nowhere because it came out of that door so slowly you didn't see him and then you're dead.

I might think about zombie scenarios too much.


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Kelly (xitomatl) Stefani wrote: "I enjoyed Dead Set, Davina McCall as a zombie was the highlight of the entire thing. "

The only thing that really bugged me about Dead Set was the ending. It would have been so much better if they hadn't shown her to us at the end, but instead left it more up to us to decide what happened.

Thinking about zombie scenarios is fun. I think, to some extent, all of us have a bit of a death obsession, even if it's nothing more than a passing thought now and then. As far as we know, we're the only species that consciously knows its own demise is coming, it's a thing that weighs on our minds, no matter how lightly. So to be confronted with a scenario where death, literally, is around every corner and actively coming right for us, and imagining how we'd react to that and if we'd survive, gives us an outlet to think about it, however hypothetically. It even gives us the vain hope that somehow, we might even be able to cheat death.

Or at least, that's my reasoning.


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Stefani - SpelingExpirt (Speling_Expirt) | 307 comments Mod
That's incredible reasoning, I think you've pinpointed it exactly.

I think the ending was almost to be expected just because it was so Charlie Brooker and I spent half of it wondering when he was going to hit us with the social commentary on reality television, with zombies both watching and participating in it. Not that it's a criticism of him because he does write really true to the bone stuff but I was expecting it the entire time.


message 21: by Anna (Bananas!) (last edited Nov 17, 2012 04:19PM) (new)

Anna  (Bananas!) | 758 comments I disagree passionately about the only scary zombies being the slow-moving horde. A consciousless monster running full-speed at you, its only goal to tear you apart and eat you alive? Fuck yeah, I'm terrified!

I loved the World War Z trailer. Absolutely loved it. It was exciting. I haven't read the book so I can't say how it compares, but here's my impression of the trailer.

If you don't know what movie it is, you can't really tell it's a zombie flick at first. I like that, it's sneaky. Things quickly spit out of control. A policeman is slammed by a truck. People are running in the streets. A bar showing the rapidly decreasing population flashes. The army guns down people, which are still not obviously zombies yet, that are literally overturning a bus.
What really freaked me out was the end, how frantic the zombies are crawling over and up each other against that wall. They don't look remotely human anymore. They're an unstoppable force, nothing you could hold back. My mouth fell open and stayed that way for the next minute. The whole thing was chilling.

Also, Dead Set just got added to my Netflix.
And Kelly, what you said about death was dead-on, no pun intended. I'm certainly fascinated by it. I love cemetaries, horror movies, Halloween and Day of the Dead. The zombie and post-apocalyptic movies are all about our fear of death. Also, after turning 30 I have a new respect for how short life is, lol. Yes, I'm already bummed about dying.


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Are any of y'all watching American Horror Story? It's an ongoing tv series on FX. I just finished the second episode of the first season a few days ago. I believe the second season, Asylum, is running now, and I'm trying to catch up since I'm enjoying it so far. I'm surprised at how morbid and eerie it is for a show on basic cable. I like the opening, and there's quite a few characters that are psychotically creepy.


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Kelly (xitomatl) Kay Lotus wrote: "Are any of y'all watching American Horror Story? "

YES!

If you're just in the second episode of the first season and you think that is morbid, just you wait.

It's one of my favourite shows that has ever been produced. Fantastic story, totally FUBAR, and crazy good acting. The new episode is on tonight, and I schedule my whole Wednesdays around watching it.

I also really like that they're making it a serial. The first season is completely separate from the second - they are reusing a lot of the same actors, but the story/characters/setting are completely different.

It's probably the only show that routinely makes me cringe. My man refuses to watch it, not because it's bad, but because he finds it too disturbing.


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JaeRavenClaw (AngelousPeacock) | 30 comments Kay Lotus wrote: "Are any of y'all watching American Horror Story? It's an ongoing tv series on FX. I just finished the second episode of the first season a few days ago. I believe the second season, Asylum, is runn..."

Oh yes sir! AHS is my show right now and I'm loving it! I missed the first season, but catching up on Netflix. I'm already ready for the third season, but I'm dying to figure out just what is going on in Asylum, with Mary Eunice, Kit, Dr. Therdson, and I can not wait for Dr. Arden to get his.

@Kelly---- My husband isn't watching it now either. We can get the episodes on Hulu if we miss it on FX, but he's more Sons of Anarchy than anything else right now. Lol.


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Fiona Titchenell | 6 comments Favorite horror movies: Too long a list, but Scream, Cabin in the Woods, and Misery come to mind.
Ones I didn't like: The Thing. I need more character differentiation in a "whom can you trust?" scenario. And My Bloody Valentine, because the twist ending cheats by changing which side of the fence the pickaxe is on. Ruins the whole movie for me.
Little known gem: Vacancy. I love how intelligent both the good guys and the bad guys get to be in that one.
Favorite subgenera: Nope. Anything well done.
Favorite zombie movie: Tough call, but I'd probably pick a comedy. Shaun of the Dead or Zombieland.
Does a good horror movie have to be rated R?: Yes, but with exceptions. I saw Arachnophobia for the first time recently and found it quite effective.
Is Cabin in the Woods a real horror movie?: Yes. Lots of great horror is self-analytical. Again, Scream.
Carrie remake: I would have called it a bad idea in theory, but I can't wait to see it for one reasoned: Chloe Moretz. More apprehensive about Evil Dead remake, but all signs point to it being done with great care, so we shall see. Most apprehensive of all about the World War Z movie, since the trailers look nothing like the book, which I adore, but I'm trying to go in with an open mind to at least enjoy it as an unrelated, unusually high budget zombie movie.

And I also like Cabin Fever. Just had to say :)


message 26: by Anna (Bananas!) (last edited Dec 16, 2012 01:44AM) (new)

Anna  (Bananas!) | 758 comments Just finished this horror trade and I LOVED it! It has a nice twist at the end that I didn't see coming (but others might).
Don't be scared by the low overall ratings for this one. Several reviewers mention it being confusing and it is. It jumps around all over the place, from the Vietnam War to NYC to Belfast and back and forth through time. But by the end it comes together for the most part and I found the final result very satisfying.
Plus, the art imo is just gorgeous.

The Green Woman by Peter Straub and Michael Easton. Art by John Bolton.
http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/83...


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Anna  (Bananas!) | 758 comments Willow, Pontypool was great! Such a unique idea, wasn't it? Hellraiser-great horror movies. How could I forget those? The original Last House on the Left was really disturbing, so realistic.

I haven't seen the first Human Centipede yet. Dont think I can...go there.

Hmm, have not see My Boyfriend's Back. One to check out.


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Stefani - SpelingExpirt (Speling_Expirt) | 307 comments Mod
Oh Teeth... This film almost convinced me I needed to be institutionalised!

I was watching tv late one night in the common room (Hogwarts) by myself when the advert for this came on. When I was in my best friend's bedroom the next day telling her all about it, including describing how the title had been designed, her and my other friends were convinced that no film company would be insane enough to make a film like that and as I had been known to fall asleep watching tv in the common room they had me completely convinced I dreamed the whole thing. I had never worried for my sanity more than at that moment.


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Anna  (Bananas!) | 758 comments Stefani wrote: "Oh Teeth... This film almost convinced me I needed to be institutionalised!"

This post cracked me up! :D
It's a very strange movie.

Speaking of strange, has anyone seen Audition or Dumpling?


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JaeRavenClaw (AngelousPeacock) | 30 comments @Anna-----

Both Audition and Dumplings are awesome movies. I love foreign horror and Audition is one of my favorites. I encourage all horror fans to watch those two movies plus Three Extremes.


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Kelly (xitomatl) Anna (Bananas!) wrote: "Willow, Pontypool was great! "

YES. I loved Pontypool. I am quite keen to read the book actually, and had I known it was a book first, I would have read it then seen the movie. Language as a virus is a fascinating idea, and probably the only time I've ever seen it treated as such in fiction.

Also, I have a deep love of Bruce McDonald. That man made one movie in particular that was very influential when I was a teenager.


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Anna  (Bananas!) | 758 comments Janelle, I liked Audition too. A little slow in the first half but pretty disturbing once the story got going.
Will Dumplings gross me out?
What is Three Extremes about?


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Anna  (Bananas!) | 758 comments Pontypool is a book too? I've gotta read that. It was fascinating, so original, and very creepy every time the symptoms started showing.

What did you think of the end? I found it odd. I didn't know whether to take it seriously.

Which Bruce movie was influential?


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Kelly (xitomatl) Anna (Bananas!) wrote: "What did you think of the end? I found it odd. I didn't know whether to take it seriously."

I loved the ending. I especially loved Grant's speech about repeating a word until it didn't have meaning. I used to do that all the time as a kid, and still catch myself doing it every now and then - have you ever done it? Lost all meaning of a word? It's a total trip.

(view spoiler)

I mean it's such an... absurd isn't the right word, but whacked out idea to begin with, my belief was already suspended so I totally went along with it.

Anna (Bananas!) wrote: "Which Bruce movie was influential? "

Hard Core Logo. Still one of my favourite movies of all time.

Also, Bruce McDonald is a perfect example of how Canadian cinema doesn't have to suck. A lot of it just does (and you can throw Don McKellar into the not sucking category as well).


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JaeRavenClaw (AngelousPeacock) | 30 comments @Anna --

I don think either Dumplings or Three Extremes will gross you out. Three Extremes is where Dumplings started, it's a collection of horror shorts, so it doesn't go into as much detail as Dumplings. Where the dumplings come from might gross you out a bit though. I won't spoil it for you if you decide to watch either movie. Take a chance, check them out! :)


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Anna  (Bananas!) | 758 comments Janelle, a silly friend kind of spoiled Dumplings for me, I think. He blurted out the whole plot! Okay, he typed it out but once I started reading, my eyes kept going.
I will check out Three Extremes regardless. I have heard it's very good.


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Anna  (Bananas!) | 758 comments Kelly wrote: "I especially loved Grant's speech about repeating a word until it didn't have meaning. I used to do that all the time as a kid, and still catch myself doing it every now and then - have you ever done it? Lost all meaning of a word? It's a total trip."

All the time! It's such a strange feeling when the word starts to lose all meaning. It just becomes a pointless sound. ...God, that movie was so good. It fascinated me.

So the ending, (view spoiler)

Yes, my heart SANK. It really affected me.

Will look up Hard Core Logo. I want to know more about it now. I don't know much about Canadian cinema honestly.


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Kelly (xitomatl) Hard Core Logo is a fake documentary about a punk band trying to get back together. There was a Hard Core Logo 2 made a few years ago - make sure you're watching the original (with Hugh Dillon and Callum Keith Rennie). It's not a movie that will make you feel good - you've been warned!

If I'm correct - Quentin Tarantino financed it being re-released on DVD with his own money because he loved it so much.


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Anna  (Bananas!) | 758 comments So, has anyone else seen the new Evil Dead movie yet? Thoughts?

I enjoyed it. Not particularly scary but I did cringe from the gore a few times. I liked the characters and it was pretty good overall. The duct tape usage was amusing. :)

The scene where David tries to bring his sister back to life was touching. Nice to see some emotion in a horror movie, even if it was accompanied by manipulative sad movie.


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Kelly (xitomatl) I haven't seen it yet - I've promised to see it with a friend and each of us is always out of town on the weekends this month. I'm crossing my fingers for the first weekend in May!

I've heard mixed reviews, but I have faith in Campbell and Raimi since they're both backed the movie!


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Anna  (Bananas!) | 758 comments I'm excited to hear your thoughts, Kelly! It's very slasher flic but there is some heart too. Not a slam dunk for me but still good.


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JaeRavenClaw (AngelousPeacock) | 30 comments I've seen several times and I love it absolutely. Raimi's original was genius, don't get me wrong, but this is pure horror. It is gory, bloody, and yes there is a chainsaw. I really thought it did well from beginning to end.


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Anna  (Bananas!) | 758 comments The chainsaw! My heart skipped a beat when it appeared. It was almost as good as a Bruce Campbell cameo. Almost. (She says bitterly)
I want to see it again now. The final showdown was pretty great. Who was that girl though?
One thing I was bummed about was how several of the best gory moments were in the trailer. Those would have been more disturbing if you didn't know they were coming.


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JaeRavenClaw (AngelousPeacock) | 30 comments @Anna---- the girl was a puzzle for me as we'll, but I figured she had to be just the last embodiment of the demon since Mia had been cleansed of it. I guess it just took the last form it knew before Mia. Thoughts?


message 45: by Anna (Bananas!) (last edited Apr 22, 2013 10:38PM) (new)

Anna  (Bananas!) | 758 comments I thought it might be the girl from the beginning of the movie. But it was confusing.
What did you think of the other characters?
I was most interested in the nurse (too bad she died so quickly) and the nerdy friend. I don't remember character names but I love that actor Lou Taylor Pucci. His character took a beating! The girlfriend was dull but she went out well. :)


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JaeRavenClaw (AngelousPeacock) | 30 comments @Anna----- quite frankly I was not impressed with Shiloh Fernandez (David), yes Lou Taylor Pucci (Eric) really did it for me. He took the most hits and didn't cry like a little girl like David with that nail gun/crowbar scene. Olivia (Jessica Lucas) and Natalie (Elizabeth Blackmore) were more the bitchy fillers until they went crazy. Mia (Jane Levy) was a beast all throughout the movie. I just kept thinking that David was just a wimp when it came to a lot of things, but he loved that duct tape. Lol.


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Anna  (Bananas!) | 758 comments The only thing I was impressed with about David was his eyelashes. Man, they're pretty.
Yeah, the duct tape made me laugh. That's about the only humor they managed to squeeze in.


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