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message 351: by MadgeUK (new)

MadgeUK | 5213 comments Another news item making the headlines in the UK today is the decision of the Boy Scouts Association to allow atheists to join their ranks - a sign of the times:-

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/relig...

Is this happening in the US Scouts too?


message 352: by Linda2 (last edited Dec 03, 2012 08:26PM) (new)

Linda2 | 3749 comments MadgeUK wrote: "I thought y'all might like to see these photos of Kate playing hockey yesterday at her old school, maybe the last time she will be so active for awhile:-

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/art...-..."


In 4" heels?


message 353: by MadgeUK (new)

MadgeUK | 5213 comments On astro turf:)


message 354: by Lily (new)

Lily (joy1) | 2631 comments MadgeUK wrote: "I thought y'all might like to see these photos of Kate playing hockey yesterday at her old school, maybe the last time she will be so active for awhile:-

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/art...-..."


Fun links! Thx! We had been seeing those heels on the astro turf here last week, including videos, but these were more extensive. I enjoyed the family album baby pictures.

Knowing what we do now, she reminded me of still skiing at less than two months before delivery. So sorry that Kate's months ahead, at least the next few weeks, may be more difficult. I see the afternoon newspaper speculations about her condition being more frequent with a multiple birth pregnancy. (What a media frenzy!)


message 355: by Linda2 (new)

Linda2 | 3749 comments One of Murdoch's rags? I don't have the same live links, probably because they update the pages several times a day, but I found a book-length article on her every breath:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/artic...

History is repeating itslf. This woman will never have a private moment the rest of her life, and I'm sure if she were homely, the story would be different. We don't get such articles on Princess Anne; in fact, I didn't know she had remarried until I looked her up on Wikipedia recently.

I'm planningf to send the Daily Mail a blow-by-blow account of my two knee replacemnts, with photos, for their paper.


message 356: by Linda2 (new)

Linda2 | 3749 comments Found their official website:

http://www.royal.gov.uk/


message 357: by MadgeUK (new)

MadgeUK | 5213 comments I use the Daily Mail for such links Rochelle because their photographs are very good and more numerous than in other papers.


message 358: by MadgeUK (new)

MadgeUK | 5213 comments Children in Paraguay have created an orchestra from a landfill site!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fXynrs...


message 359: by Linda2 (new)

Linda2 | 3749 comments MadgeUK wrote: "I use the Daily Mail for such links Rochelle because their photographs are very good and more numerous than in other papers."

OK.:-)


message 360: by Robin P, Moderator (new)

Robin P | 2670 comments Mod
For all the Dickens fans, I went Christmas shopping and instead bought for myself on sale at the local Barnes & Noble store, a 5 pack of DVDs with BBC versions of Pickwick Papers (the version Madge recommended a while back), David Copperfield (with Maggie Smith and a young Daniel Radcliffe), Dombey and Son (which I've never read or seen), Old Curiosity Shop (a different version from the two I watched while we read that) and amazingly Barnaby Rudge! The last is a reprint from 1960 and is black and white. While reading it our group commented on why that book is so much less popular and less frequently staged than others. I'm very curious to see it, I just have to fit this 24 hours of Dickens in with my marathon review of Season 1 & 2 of Downton Abbey!


message 361: by Hedi (new)

Hedi | 1079 comments Robin, those are really nice. I have this Charles Dickens collection, too. There is also a volume 1 with Oliver Twist, Martin Chuzzlewit, Bleak House, Hard Times, Great Expectations and Our Mutual Friend. I have not watched everything yet, and there are newer BBC adaptations out there, as a lot of these are series from the early 80s or even older, but I love e.g. David Copperfield with Maggie Smith as Miss Betsy. I watched the Old Curiosity Shop and Barnaby Rudge in parallel with our readings and am already looking forward to Martin Chuzzlewit.


message 362: by Denise (new)

Denise (dulcinea3) | 269 comments I don't have the BBC Dickens collections, but I do have their Jane Austen and George Eliot collections. I do remember Maggie Smith as Aunt Betsey, and she was marvelous (as always)!


message 363: by Lynnm (new)

Lynnm | 3025 comments Robin wrote: "For all the Dickens fans, I went Christmas shopping and instead bought for myself on sale at the local Barnes & Noble store, a 5 pack of DVDs with BBC versions of Pickwick Papers (the version Madge..."

Barnaby Rudge! Lucky you. I've been looking for the film on Netflix or youtube, and no luck.


message 364: by Lynnm (new)

Lynnm | 3025 comments I thought you all might like this article in Salon.com. Talking about the classics, and how people today read the classics with happy endings rather than the tragic endings.

http://www.salon.com/2012/12/01/tyran...

(Thanks to one of the members in the Green Group for finding this.)

I like both, but I have to say that I prefer the happy endings. I do like my Dickens and Austen. And have to read one of Gaskell's novels now after I watched the BBC series for North and South (just loved it!).

Again, I love the tragedies too, but I find myself reading the happy endings more.


message 365: by Linda2 (last edited Dec 09, 2012 02:20PM) (new)

Linda2 | 3749 comments Lynnm wrote: "I thought you all might like this article in Salon.com. Talking about the classics, and how people today read the classics with happy endings rather than the tragic endings.

http://www.salon.com/..."


I read the artcle, then copied the URL with the intention of showing it to this group. Duh.
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Have you ever read a familiar novel with a sad ending, hoping each time you read it that this time it would end differently?


message 366: by Lynnm (new)

Lynnm | 3025 comments Rochelle wrote: "Have you ever read a familiar novel with a sad ending, hoping each time you've read it that this time it would end differently?
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Yes, indeed. :-)

The most obvious, Romeo & Juliet. Little Women, I always want Jo and Laurie to get together. Jane Eyre, I don't want Mr. Rochester all a mess at the end. Wuthering Heights, Catherine not to die, and she and Heathcliff get together (even though he is a bad bad bad person). Anna to tell everyone to go sit on it, instead of jumping in front of that train. And many more.


message 367: by Linda2 (new)

Linda2 | 3749 comments MadgeUK wrote: "I don't do any cooking these days but I will be putting my 3 trees up soon as I love to see Xmas decorations and lights during the dark, SAD inducing, winter months."

Has your ankle healed? Can be such a sticky wicket.


message 368: by msleighm (new)

msleighm Deborah wrote: "I finished my degree through an online program. I have to say I learned more through that than I had in a traditional program. Not only did I learn from my professors, but also from the students ..."

Hi Deborah, may I ask what online program you used? Since I'm mostly housebound I'm looking at options to get my brain going again.
Regards.


message 369: by Lily (new)

Lily (joy1) | 2631 comments http://travel.nytimes.com/2012/12/16/...

Fun article on literary Manhattan.


message 370: by Kim (new)

Kim (kimmr) | 317 comments I've just woken up to the news about the events in Connecticut. My thoughts are with all of those affected. Words can't express how I feel.


message 371: by Lily (new)

Lily (joy1) | 2631 comments Kim wrote: "I've just woken up to the news about the events in Connecticut. My thoughts are with all of those affected. Words can't express how I feel."

For me, anger is one. Followed closely by sadness.


message 372: by Denise (last edited Dec 14, 2012 03:50PM) (new)

Denise (dulcinea3) | 269 comments My heart goes out to the families who lost children and other loved ones, and also for the poor little children who had to live through such a terrifying experience.


message 373: by Deborah, Moderator (new)

Deborah (deborahkliegl) | 4617 comments Mod
Leigh wrote: "Deborah wrote: "I finished my degree through an online program. I have to say I learned more through that than I had in a traditional program. Not only did I learn from my professors, but also fr..."

I used university of Phoenix because it was one of the few available online. I found I could immediately use my studies at work and work for my studies.

Re the school shooting, it was especially hard for me today. My parents moved us to that town when I was in 6th grade because it was such a sleepy safe town. I've spent most of the day in tears wondering about the neighborhood kids who might be involved, and just knowing how that little sleepy town will never be the same.


message 374: by Lynnm (new)

Lynnm | 3025 comments It is unspeakable what happened yesterday. There are no words to describe how everyone feels.


message 375: by Deborah, Moderator (new)

Deborah (deborahkliegl) | 4617 comments Mod
It takes a really sick individual to do something like this, but how much sicker to do it at Christmas time. I kept thinking about the surviving kids. Instead of dreaming of Santa and holiday surprises, they may be having nightmares. It's like my brain cannot comprehend what has happened.


message 376: by Captain Sir Roddy, R.N. (Ret.), Founder (last edited Dec 15, 2012 08:29AM) (new)

Captain Sir Roddy, R.N. (Ret.) (captain_sir_roddy) | 1494 comments Mod
Deborah wrote: "It takes a really sick individual to do something like this, but how much sicker to do it at Christmas time. I kept thinking about the surviving kids. Instead of dreaming of Santa and holiday sur..."

I still can't fully wrap my brain around this tragedy; which, unfortunately, has become an all too frequent occurrence in this country. We really need to start a national dialog associated with mental health and access to firearms. In the meantime, Deb, know that my thoughts are with you and all of Connecticut. Cheers! Chris


message 377: by Deborah, Moderator (new)

Deborah (deborahkliegl) | 4617 comments Mod
Christopher wrote: "Deborah wrote: "It takes a really sick individual to do something like this, but how much sicker to do it at Christmas time. I kept thinking about the surviving kids. Instead of dreaming of Santa..."

I agree completely with the need for a national dialog.


message 378: by Lynnm (new)

Lynnm | 3025 comments Deborah, I can't wrap my head around it either. So senseless. Those poor children and their parents. The President had it right when he said, "Our hearts are broken."

And I agree that there has to be a national debate, but sadly, no one in Washington has the courage to start the dialogue.

It is up to "we the people," who need to stop being the "silent majority" and speak up!


message 379: by Linda2 (new)

Linda2 | 3749 comments Obama doesn't have to worry about re-election. He's my choice to start.


message 380: by Linda2 (new)

Linda2 | 3749 comments I heard this reporter on NPR today:
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2...

"No less than 80 percent of the perpetrators in these 61 cases obtained their weapons legally"


message 381: by Deborah, Moderator (new)

Deborah (deborahkliegl) | 4617 comments Mod
Rochelle wrote: "I heard this reporter on NPR today:
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2...

"No less than 80 percent of the perpetrators in these 61 cases obtained..."


How scary is that? Plus these mass shootings have become quite commonplace. I think I heard more than a dozen on year here in the U.S. on average.


message 382: by Linda2 (new)

Linda2 | 3749 comments Deborah wrote: "Rochelle wrote: "I heard this reporter on NPR today:
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2...

"No less than 80 percent of the perpetrators in these ..."


Not scary enough to get better gun control. It shouldn't be legal to buy assault rifles.


message 383: by Deborah, Moderator (new)

Deborah (deborahkliegl) | 4617 comments Mod
Rochelle wrote: "Deborah wrote: "Rochelle wrote: "I heard this reporter on NPR today:
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2...

"No less than 80 percent of the perpet..."

I couldn't agree more.


message 384: by Linda2 (new)

Linda2 | 3749 comments Deborah wrote: "Rochelle wrote: "Deborah wrote: "Rochelle wrote: "I heard this reporter on NPR today:
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2...

"No less than 80 perc..."


And every Congressman -woman is afraid of angering the NRA. I know Madge will have trouble relating to this.


message 385: by Lily (last edited Dec 15, 2012 08:00PM) (new)

Lily (joy1) | 2631 comments So who is the NRA? Or perhaps the question should be: Who are the NRA?


message 386: by Captain Sir Roddy, R.N. (Ret.), Founder (last edited Dec 15, 2012 07:59PM) (new)

Captain Sir Roddy, R.N. (Ret.) (captain_sir_roddy) | 1494 comments Mod
T'wouldn't it be lovely to consign the NRA and Grover Norquist to some deserted island in the South Atlantic Ocean? Although I'd feel bad for the penguins and walruses.


message 387: by Cynthia (new)

Cynthia Dunn Christopher wrote: "T'wouldn't it be lovely to consign the NRA and Grover Norquist to some deserted island in the South Atlantic Ocean? Although I'd feel bad for the penguins and walruses."

Absolutely!


message 388: by Deborah, Moderator (new)

Deborah (deborahkliegl) | 4617 comments Mod
Christopher wrote: "T'wouldn't it be lovely to consign the NRA and Grover Norquist to some deserted island in the South Atlantic Ocean? Although I'd feel bad for the penguins and walruses."

I wonder how much the ticket would be if we all chipped in, or maybe we should just send them via pet kennel. It would, after all, be cheaper.


message 389: by Linda2 (last edited Dec 16, 2012 03:48AM) (new)

Linda2 | 3749 comments Lily wrote: "So who is the NRA? Or perhaps the question should be: Who are the NRA?"

I'm presuming you don't mean that literally. I just read tht they have 4.3 million members. There are some surprising facts in this article:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National...


I was surprised to hear Mrs. Lanza was a gun enthusiast. That's uncommon in this part of the country (Newtown is about 60 miles NE of me.) Fairfield County is wealthy and one of the "bedroom communities" of NYC. Legal guns are just not part of life here.


message 390: by ☯Emily (last edited Dec 16, 2012 05:44AM) (new)

☯Emily  Ginder What I find ironic is that Mrs. Lanza bought the guns for protection. I wish more people understood that owning guns doesn't really protect themselves or others. It gives one a false sense of security and endangers others.


message 391: by Linda2 (last edited Dec 16, 2012 06:57AM) (new)

Linda2 | 3749 comments ☯Emily wrote: "What I find ironic is that Mrs. Lanza bought the guns for protection. I wish more people understood that owning guns doesn't really protect themselves or others. It gives one a false sense of sec..."

She might have had mental issues too.

My friend in OK has always had a gun in the house, and we're so far apart that we can't even discuss it. Everything has become politicized, and we remain friends by not discussing politics.


message 392: by Cynthia (new)

Cynthia Dunn Rochelle wrote: "Lily wrote: "So who is the NRA? Or perhaps the question should be: Who are the NRA?"

I'm presuming you don't mean that literally. I just read tht they have 4.3 million members. There are some surp..."


According to the NY Times today, there are a lot of gun enthusiasts in Newtown and that you're always hearing gunshots. She didn't buy the guns for protection. Supposedly, she "loved guns."


message 393: by Deborah, Moderator (new)

Deborah (deborahkliegl) | 4617 comments Mod
I grew up in Newtown. There are some gun enthusiasts, and there are some that hunt. I would say there were "a lot".


message 394: by Cynthia (new)

Cynthia Dunn Deborah wrote: "I grew up in Newtown. There are some gun enthusiasts, and there are some that hunt. I would say there were "a lot"."

They made it sound as if there were so many shots at times, no one paid attention any more. It really surprised me as it's not especially rural. I've eaten at the Blue Colony Diner many times on my way up to MA.


message 395: by Lily (last edited Dec 17, 2012 01:03PM) (new)

Lily (joy1) | 2631 comments www.nytimes.com/2012/12/17/nyregion/i...

A story of some of the roles of those trained to support others through life -- and death -- transitions.

Another, this from Washington Post:

www.washingtonpost.com/national/st-ro...


message 396: by Lily (new)

Lily (joy1) | 2631 comments Cynthia wrote: "According to the NY Times today, there are a lot of gun enthusiasts in Newtown and that you're always hearing gunshots...."

Cynthia -- I presume the article to which you refer?

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/17/nyr...

(For those interested, but encounter a block, try Google with the title: "In Newtown Conn a Stiff Resistance to Gun Restrictions".)


message 397: by Cynthia (new)

Cynthia Dunn Lily wrote: "Cynthia wrote: "According to the NY Times today, there are a lot of gun enthusiasts in Newtown and that you're always hearing gunshots...."

Cynthia -- I presume the article to which you refer?

h..."


No, it was an article where people mentioned in passing that they hear gunshots and don't pay attention to them. It wasn't a whole article. Eh, what difference does it make? The whole thing is so awful and I just can't get it out of my mind. And now that they're showing photos of the kids, it's unbearable.
In polls taken, the people who want these weapons lead the people who don't and the politicians are too scared of the lobbyists. It's unbelievable what has happened to this country.


message 398: by Deborah, Moderator (new)

Deborah (deborahkliegl) | 4617 comments Mod
Cynthia wrote: "Deborah wrote: "I grew up in Newtown. There are some gun enthusiasts, and there are some that hunt. I would say there were "a lot"."

They made it sound as if there were so many shots at times, n..."


I wouldn't say that is true. You can sometimes here shots during hunting season as there are a lot of deer. But that's about it.


message 399: by Deborah, Moderator (new)

Deborah (deborahkliegl) | 4617 comments Mod
Cynthia wrote: "Lily wrote: "Cynthia wrote: "According to the NY Times today, there are a lot of gun enthusiasts in Newtown and that you're always hearing gunshots...."

Cynthia -- I presume the article to which y..."


What is even sadder is that the people who want more control are 51% of this nation. So basically a lobby and the minority are making the rules here.


message 400: by Denise (new)

Denise (dulcinea3) | 269 comments I read a comment to a news article (among all the nuts saying things like if the teachers had all been armed, this could have had a different outcome) that made a good point, I thought, and an answer to those shouting about the Second Amendment. The Second Amendment mentions a "well-regulated militia". Therefore, if we are to follow the Second Amendment, we need more regulations!


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