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Things Fall Apart (The African Trilogy, #1)
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Having shown us an engagement ceremony. Achebe now depicts a funeral. We are being systematically introduced to the major rituals of Ibo life. How does the one-handed egwuegwu praise the dead men? Okonkwo has killed people before this. what makes this incident so serious, though it would be treated as a mere accident under our law?


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The one handed egwugwu carried a basket full of water as clearly stated on page 122 "This one had only one hand and it carried a basket full of water." During the funeral they had fired guns shots from all sides as part of the warrior salutes, when the last shot was fired Okonkwo accidentally killed the dead man's (Ezeudu's) 16 year old son who was dancing in the middle as a farewell to his father. Since the gun shooting was part of the ritual it would've been treated as a mere accident under our law but in their culture "It was a crime against the earth goddess to kill a clansman, and a man who committed it must flee from the land."


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Kathryn (kathycat) | 22 comments Vanessa wrote: "The one handed egwugwu carried a basket full of water as clearly stated on page 122 "This one had only one hand and it carried a basket full of water." During the funeral they had fired guns shots ..."

This is true. The egwugwu honored Ezeudu by carrying a basket full of water during his funeral as stated on page 122. Later in the night, Okonkwo's gun exploded during the salute to Ezeudu. The shrapnel had pierced the heart of the old mans 16 year old son. This was an abomination to the earth goddess, to kill a clansman. Okonkwo was banished.


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Sarai Cisneros | 27 comments What Vanessa and Kathryn said is the truth. This is said in pg.122. They honor Ezeudu and she carried a basket full of water during the funeral. During the funeral there was a part where they shoot guns. After it was over Okonkwo accidentally shoot his gun and shot and killed the man's 16 year old son. But because shooting was part of the ceremony they saw it as an accident. So what Okonkwo did was supposed to be seen as a crime but it was named an accident.


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Kristen | 24 comments Sarai wrote: "What Vanessa and Kathryn said is the truth. This is said in pg.122. They honor Ezeudu and she carried a basket full of water during the funeral. During the funeral there was a part where they shoot..."

I agree with Sarai, Kathryn, and Vanessa. The one handed egwugwu praises the dead men because " it carried a basket full of water"(page 122). This incident is different than the other times Okonkwo has killed people because he killed someone from his clan. This is really bad even if the killing was completely accidental.


Zane Flannery | 27 comments Kathryn wrote: "Vanessa wrote: "The one handed egwugwu carried a basket full of water as clearly stated on page 122 "This one had only one hand and it carried a basket full of water." During the funeral they had f..."

I agree and would like to add that they ware also swinging machetes around and being violent as part of the warrior's farewell. During the ceramony, many spirits visited. Some were violent and were detained, while others were gentel and walked up to the body, said their good bys, and left. Also there are two types of murder, male and female. The male offense is a purposeful kill to a man or women in the same clan as the killer. The penalty for a Male murder is banishment for life. The female murder is when an acidental kill occurs towards a man or women in the same clan as the murderer. The punishment for this is banishment for seven years. In our society today, this would be okay and the killer would not be punised, but in the story any kill is concidered evil and against the will of the earth godess including an accidental kill.


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Molly Malone | 27 comments Vanessa wrote "The one handed egwugwu carried a basket full of water as clearly stated on page 122 "This one had only one hand and it carried a basket full of water."

The egwugwu honred Ezeudu by carrying a basket full of water, during his funeral. As it says on pg 122 "But some of the egwugwu were quite harmless." "Exeude had been the oldest man in his village, and at his older, and four or five others in his own age group." The egwygwu as Achebe writes on pg 122 "This one had only one hand and it carried a basket full of water." Okonkwo was firing a gun as is custom just like all the other men and he accidentally shot Ezeudu's 16 year old son who was dancing in the middle of the circle as is custom to say farewell to his father. Since the gun shooting was a custom to it would not have been that bad but in their culture "It was a crime against the earth goddess to kill a clansman, and a man who committed it must flee from the land."


Xavier Benni | 26 comments Egwugwu carried a basket full of water during his funeral, as is said on page 122. Okownkwo had to flee the village because during the funeral okonkwo shot the dead man's 16 year old son during the ceremonial gun shooting. Because it was part of the ceremony it was an accident but it was against the law of the earth godess to kill a clansman and the man and his family who committed this crime must be banished from the village. This is why it is not treated as an accident.


Isaiah Armijo | 28 comments Kristen wrote: "Sarai wrote: "What Vanessa and Kathryn said is the truth. This is said in pg.122. They honor Ezeudu and she carried a basket full of water during the funeral. During the funeral there was a part wh..."

Im going to have to dis agree with you. Yes the one handed Egwugwu praises the dead but not for the reasons you are putting forth. The Egwugwu praise the dead by asking them to come back to be a better person, but in Ezuedu case he was a successful person, so they ask him to come the same way he came in his last life.( stated on pg. 123 on the last paragraph). As for the situation with the killing of Ezeudu's son I can see why it was so serious . First Okonkwo killed Ezeudu's son,and then flees the seen which kind of disrespects this "fearless worrier" and the tribe as well. Second it " was against the earth goddess to kill a clansman".


Marianne Lara | 26 comments Isaiah wrote: "Kristen wrote: "Sarai wrote: "What Vanessa and Kathryn said is the truth. This is said in pg.122. They honor Ezeudu and she carried a basket full of water during the funeral. During the funeral the..."

I agree with Isaiah, the one-handed Egwugwu did carry a basket of water, but im pretty sure it wasn't to praise the dead. I think maybe it symbolized something though. The Egwugwu praised the dead by saying what they have managed to achieve in life (long life, titles, etc.), and wish them to come back better than thier last life. As isaiah said, in Ezuedu's case, Ezuedu had already been succesful in his life so he wished him to come back the same as he had been before. What makes the incident so severe was that Okonkwo had spilled clansman blood. Which was a great offense to the earth goddess Ani. It was so severe he had to flee his village and not come back for seven years.


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Tristan Sena | 26 comments the one handed Egwugwu carried a basket full of water to honor Ezeudu. Okonkwo was firing a gun like all the other men and he misfired and shot the boy dancing in the middle of the circle to honor his father's death Okonkwo was banished for killing another clansmen which was a great offence even if by accident.


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Kai | 33 comments Zane wrote: "Kathryn wrote: "Vanessa wrote: "The one handed egwugwu carried a basket full of water as clearly stated on page 122 "This one had only one hand and it carried a basket full of water." During the fu..."

I agree with Zane. On page 122, it never states what the one handed egwugwu actually did to honor Ezeudu. In this culture, any kind of murder is a crime, although the punishments are different. Maybe they call the act of intentional murder "male", because men are more violent than women.


Benhanna | 27 comments Kai wrote: "Zane wrote: "Kathryn wrote: "Vanessa wrote: "The one handed egwugwu carried a basket full of water as clearly stated on page 122 "This one had only one hand and it carried a basket full of water." ..."

i disagree with kai its not any murder is when you kill some one from your own village and thats what he did. i think that it would be considered man slater in our law. i agree withTristan that the in honor the Egwugwu with only one hand carried a basket of water(pg122).


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Mona Chavarria | 29 comments I agree with Kai and Zane on page 122 they never do say what was said. They do state that "whenever one of these ancient men appeared in the crowd to dance unsteadily the funeral steps of the tribe younger men have way and the tumult subside" the way they showed respect was having the ones closest do the funeral tribe steps.


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