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Tierra Encantada | 76 comments Mod
Why does Ekwefi prize her daughter so highly? In chapter nine the notion of the ogbanje is treated at length. What attitudes toward children does it reflect? Note how it balances against the "throwing away' of twins. Does Achebe seem to validte the belief in agbanje


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Isaiah Armijo | 28 comments Ekwefi prizes her daughter as she does because after not being able to bear children for so long had her depressed and sad. After Ezinma had lived past six years the Ogbanje had finally decided to stay living on the Earth. It states this on page 80 " but she had lived so long that perhaps she had decided to stay". In return for Ezinma (an Ogbanje)staying Ekwefi does everything she can for her. Even giving her eggs which are delicacy to the Ibo, and even hiding the fact that she eats eggs from Okonkwo her husband. The women would try not to get too attached to the children until they know for sure that it wasn't an ogbanje. Achebe validates the belief in ogbanje by describing Ezinma's story about finding her iyi-uwa as something the entire tribe becomes concerned about. Achebe seems to validate this by writing about Ezinma's iyi-uwa and how the whole tribe was concerned for her in chapter 9.


Xavier Benni | 26 comments I agree with Isaiah, she does prize her daughter because she is the first one to stay for a long period of time. She stated that she had began to not love her children because they would not live. She even named one of her children "do as you please" because of the fact that they would not live. Finally when Ezinma was born and lived for a couple years her love for her child returned, and this love for the child was so great because she had not had the chance to love her children. Achebe does validate the belief of Ogbanjes when they find Ezinma's Iyi-uwa in the dirt and stop the cycle of the dreaded, Ogbanje.


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Molly Malone | 27 comments Isaiah wrote "Ekwefi prizes her daughter as she does because after not being able to bear children for so long had her depressed and sad."

Isaiah's point is exactly right. Ekwefi did prize her children really highly, because of the fact that all of her children had died at a young age. Ezinma was her only child. She treated Ezinma with much love, and she even fead her eggs. To them eggs where a great delicacy, they did not allow children to eat them because "Such food tempted them to steal." Ekwefi still fed Ezinma eggs because Ekwefi had given birth to ten children and only one (Ezinma) had survived. Her children were believed to be cursed by Ogbanje, an evil spirt. Achebe does validate the idea of Ogbanjes. Achebe validates the idea when he writes about them finding Ezinma's Iyi-uwa. They went on a search for Ezinmas Iyi-uwa and they find it in the dirt underneath a palm tree and dig it up and they end up stoping the cycle of her Ogbanje.


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Zane Flannery | 27 comments Isaiah wrote: "Ekwefi prizes her daughter as she does because after not being able to bear children for so long had her depressed and sad. After Ezinma had lived past six years the Ogbanje had finally decided to ..."

I agree with with Isiah and would like to add that Achebe validated the obanje idea with all of the children being born then dying over and over, but he doesn't really give a way to not agree with it. he coveres every possibility. if a child doesn't stop being born after a priest does a ritual, they just stay that the priests ritual was only to discourage the spirit and it wasn't discouraged or was very brave. Ekwifi prized her daughter so much because Enzima was her only child that had survived. Ekwifi was considered an obanje herself until they took away the stone that allowed her to be born again over and over.


Marianne Lara | 26 comments Molly wrote: "Isaiah wrote "Ekwefi prizes her daughter as she does because after not being able to bear children for so long had her depressed and sad."

Isaiah's point is exactly right. Ekwefi did prize her ch..."


I agree with Isaiah and Molly. Ekwefi prizes Enzima very much. Before Enzinma, all her children had died during an early age, and after a while she had lost hope of ever having a child that would survive. Okonkwo had actually conatacted a medicine man, and the medicine man said she had an ogbanje But then Enzinma was born and was the only child of hers to survive past infancy. After Enzinma had survived a couple years, Ekwefi began to regain hope. when survived past age six, love came back into her life. She loved Enzinma, and gave her things like eggs, which were considered a delicacy. They didn't give eggs to children very often because it would motivate them to steal. Okonkwo had warned Ekwefi not to feed Enzinma eggs, she still did though. She was probably also very fond of Enzinma becuase she was a good child, Ekwefi often called Enzinma "Ezigbo" page 41 which meant "the good one". Achebe validates the belief of ogbanje when the medicine man goes to look for Enzinmas "Iyi-uwa". An "Iyi-uwa" is like "a bond with the world of ogbanje" page 80. Enzinmas was a smooth pebble in a dirty rag. Everyone in the tribe had gathered around when it was being dug up in worry for Enzinma.


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Isaiah is right i completely agree with him. Ekwefi absolutely adores her daughter Ezinma because out of all her children Ezinma was the only one who seemed to stay. The rest died one after another and she had lost all hope, she became a depressed bitter women until Ezinma came and she was determined to love her and give her the most she could."At last Ezinma was born and although ailing she seemed determined to live. At first Ekwefi accepted her as she had accepted others-with listless resignation. But when she lived on to her fourth, fifth and sixth years, love returned once more to her mother and which love, anxiety. She determined to nurse her child to health.." Ekwefi was convinced that Ezinma was the only thing that gave meaning to her life after all her suffering and losses (Pg 80). I think this reflects the idea of children being evil and unpredictable. I think Achebe does validate the idea of ogbanje, the text supporting this is found on page 77-85. Through out these pages Achebe seems to explain and tell the story of Ezinma's Obanje in a way that makes obanje seem very realistic, he uses such detail to explain events he is validating the idea of obanje. For example when Achebe describes some of the cures or ways to get rid of obanje "He brought out a sharp razor and began to mutilate the child. Then he took it away to bury it in the Evil Forest, holding it by the ankle and dragging it on the ground behind him. After such a treatment it would think twice before coming again, unless it was one of the stubborn ones.."


Benhanna | 27 comments Zane wrote: "Isaiah wrote: "Ekwefi prizes her daughter as she does because after not being able to bear children for so long had her depressed and sad. After Ezinma had lived past six years the Ogbanje had fina..."
I agree with zane about how Achebe dose validate that idea. and with Xavier about the reason Ekwefi Prizes Ezinma is that she is the first child to live so long and that Ekwefi hopes that Ezinma will stay. I think that children are vary inpatient and are valued highly ."Naighbors sat around ,waching . The pit was now so deep that they no longer saw the digger"pg.84.


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Sarai Cisneros | 27 comments I agree with Isaiah and Vanessa. Ekwefi priced her daughter because she was the first on to stay a long period of time. She didn't want to begin to have love for her children because they would last a little period of time and leave her. She would even name her children something like do as you please or some names like that because her children didn't last long before they died. She had come and since she had lived so long they thought she would decide to stay. Ekwefi believed that deep inside her Ezinma would come to stay. It says so in page 80.


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Tristan Sena | 26 comments Ekwefi prizes her daughter because she is her only child that has lived past three. her other 9 children died at infancy. her children were believed to be cursed by an Ogbanje which is a spirit that takes over a child and they die over and over until they decide to stay. Achebe validates the Ogbanje when almost the whole village was there trying to help find the Iya-uwa which was her "bond with the world of Ogbanje"(p.80).


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Mona Chavarria | 29 comments Ekwefis daughter is her prized person because she has lost so many children and this is one of her last daughters. Ekwefi is so scared of losing any other child. She is also jealous because her husbands other wives have had many children that are healthy.


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