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message 1: by Hope (new)

Hope (littlehope) | 82 comments Am I the only one who thinks it's about time that a Tad Williams be picked?

What Tad Williams book do you think would be the best book(s) to start out with/be a good pick for the podcast?


message 2: by Kris (new)

Kris (KVolk) | 797 comments I agree totally and I think a certain female host agreed to that many moons ago. I would vote for the Dragonbone Chair.


message 3: by [deleted user] (new)

Thats an excellent idea, I have been thinking about him recently have heard a few recommendations from Patrick Rothfuss and other people, I would be up for a Tad pick.

I would like to read his new book Dirty Streets Of Heaven, or one of his fantasy books The Dragon Bone Chair.


message 4: by Matthew (new)

Matthew (masupert) | 209 comments I hope Tad's other earlier books are not nearly as long and brutal as the Otherland series. Those were fantastic, but they were incredibly tough to get through at points.


message 5: by Hope (new)

Hope (littlehope) | 82 comments Matthew wrote: "I hope Tad's other earlier books are not nearly as long and brutal as the Otherland series. Those were fantastic, but they were incredibly tough to get through at points."

His new book The Dirty Streets of Heaven
is not as long as his others I think... I think he said something along those lines in the podcast he was interviewed in....


message 6: by terpkristin (new)

terpkristin | 3636 comments Yeah, there has been a small contingent here thinking that...well, practically forever. Doubly so since he was a guest on the podcast! He's come up for a vote (and lost) twice...so I can only hope that a dictatorial pick will end up selecting Tad Williams at some point. I've never read any of his stuff and would love the excuse to jump him ahead in my queue.


message 7: by Leavey (new)

Leavey | 83 comments Yes! And since he's got a new book out it would be the perfect time to. So I'd vote for The Dirty Streets of Heaven or one of his standalones. The first books of his series, are a lot of set up and character introduction and you only get to the real meat of the story in the later parts. (I have to admit I've read Memory, Sorrow and Thorn at least 4 times, and I've always skipped The Dragonbone Chair and never missed it)
Also if you CAN choose a Standalone, why not?


message 8: by Rob, Roberator (new)

Rob (robzak) | 5140 comments Mod
The Dirty Streets of Heaven is on my list too.

Plus I've never read Tad Williams, so I'd be up for that.

I really want to see how his take on Angels compares to the Remy Chandler books I read.


message 9: by Hope (new)

Hope (littlehope) | 82 comments I suppose since i did start the thread, I should say what I'd vote for. My picks would be The Dirty Streets of Heaven or The War of the Flowers. Though I would be happy to read any of his works. :)


message 10: by Rik (new)

Rik | 768 comments I've only read his Green Angel Tower and Otherland series. While both were very good in parts they also felt overly long and padded with things happening for no apparent reason other than to make the books longer.

Do his stand alone's read more smoothly?


message 11: by AndrewP (new)

AndrewP (AndrewCa) | 2144 comments The Dirty Streets of Heaven is book one of what will be a 3 or 4 book series. Because of the way his books are really just very long stories, and not separate books as such, I will wait until he has finished before starting.
One of his stand alone's would be a better choice I think.


message 12: by Christina (new)

Christina | 2 comments If I had to choose, I'd probably pick The War of the Flowers or Tailchaser's Song. You can't go wrong with a stand alone novel.


message 13: by Rick (new)

Rick | 2118 comments Dirty Streets is excellent (about 50% in). I'd be interested in discovering other stuff of his as a selection but please, no series novels unless they are pretty self-contained. I liked Assassin's Apprentice, but the pacing was relaxed in part due to the fact that the story seems to be intended to be told over three volumes. Without more volumes it's incomplete. On the other hand, Leviathan's Wake worked because it's a pretty complete story.


message 14: by Leavey (new)

Leavey | 83 comments For those who are interested but haven't heard yet, there will be an animated film of Tailchaser's Song.
http://www.tadwilliams.com/2012/08/ta...


Here is also a link to a trailer for a short that the company, wich is producing the Tailchaiser Movie, made:
http://www.tadwilliams.com/2011/11/ta...
Can't say anything to that one, because I live in carpetia and can't watch it.


message 15: by Tamahome (new)

Tamahome | 5096 comments Both Felicia Day and Patrick Rothfuss liked Dirty Streets of Heaven:

http://www.goodreads.com/review/show/...
http://www.goodreads.com/review/show/...


message 16: by Ryan (new)

Ryan Curtis (Kingtriton92) | 62 comments Dragon Bone Chair, Shadow March or War of the Flowers would all be good choices.


message 17: by Rick (last edited Sep 17, 2012 11:09AM) (new)

Rick | 2118 comments Finished Dirty Streets last night, haven't done a review. Good book, 3.5 to 4 stars for me (I don't rate very much 5 stars). It's not for people who like tons of magic or magical places but the world building is very good and we get a feel for Bobby. Bobby does visit Heaven, but he's mostly on Earth for the novel and he's mostly kind of human for it, i.e. he doesn't do a Dresden and pull out lots of magic himself.

It's the start of a series but is mostly self-contained with just enough open ends for more books (two are planned). The immediate issues in the book are resolved so you don't get the annoying cliffhanger feeling but not everything is neatly tied up and closed off which makes it feel more realistic. It's more like Leviathan Wakes than Assassin's Apprentice in this sense and could be an S&L selection without people feeling that they need to read the next book to be satisfied.

Recommended.


message 18: by Linguana (last edited Sep 18, 2012 01:03AM) (new)

Linguana | 137 comments Darren wrote: "I was trying to find an ebook of Tailchaser's Song this week. No such beast, alas."

I'm also reading that one now.
My favorites are still the Otherland books but picking a 4000-page story is maybe not such a good idea.

The new one - The Dirty Streets of Heaven - may be a good choice. Or The War of the Flowers which is also a standalone.

Either way, I agree. Tad Williams is adorable (I've met him at the Frankfurt book fair once) and writes long, long, long (and beautiful) books. He should be a pick.


message 19: by Tamahome (new)

Tamahome | 5096 comments He was just interviewed on The Agony Column. He talked about the Tailchaser adaption, a possible prequel to the Otherland series, and derivative fantasy:

http://agonycolumn.com/agony/news/201...


message 20: by Rob, Roberator (new)

Rob (robzak) | 5140 comments Mod
Wired just posted a new interview


message 21: by Ian (new)

Ian Roberts | 143 comments Please god not the Dragonbone Chair! I remember liking it when it came out, but re read it a few years ago and it really hasn't aged well. Its very derivative fantasy fare and about 3 times longer than it needs to be. After reading more modern fantasy like GRRM/Joe Abercrombie it feels very dated and dull in comparison.

Would be up for trying his other books though


message 22: by Kristina (new)

Kristina | 587 comments Tamahome wrote: "Both Felicia Day and Patrick Rothfuss liked Dirty Streets of Heaven:

http://www.goodreads.com/review/show/...
http://www.goodreads.com/review/show/..."


K I know nothing of Tad Williams, but based on those reviews I'm placing my vote towards this book becoming a pick!


message 23: by Rob, Roberator (new)

Rob (robzak) | 5140 comments Mod
I read it..I think it's overhyped. Not a bad book by far..but it was a let down for me.

You can read my full review if you're so inclined.


message 24: by Tassie Dave, S&L Historian (last edited Oct 02, 2012 10:12PM) (new)

Tassie Dave | 2240 comments Mod
Kristina wrote: "I know nothing of Tad Williams, but based on those reviews I'm placing my vote towards this book becoming a pick! "

It's already in the calendar as the November S&L book. (See November 2nd)
http://www.swordandlaser.com/calendar/

November and December S&L Books are already locked in.
November: The Dirty Streets of Heaven by Tad Williams and
December: The Hobbit by J.R.R. Tolkien


message 25: by Rob, Roberator (new)

Rob (robzak) | 5140 comments Mod
Hmm. They must have just added November yesterday or something, cuz I swear I checked that Monday.

I wish they had announced it sooner, I would have waited. Oh well, more time to work books off my backlog.


message 26: by Margit (new)

Margit (Seitherin) | 14 comments Darren wrote: "I was trying to find an ebook of Tailchaser's Song this week. No such beast, alas.


*edit* Apparently there's one for the nook, but not for the kindle. Not at all sure what's up with that, but I o..."


You must not have looked very hard. Here's a link to the ebook on amazon.com - http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B002...


message 27: by terpkristin (new)

terpkristin | 3636 comments Yay!!!!


message 28: by Tamahome (new)

Tamahome | 5096 comments Maybe an angel was hiding it.


message 29: by Hope (new)

Hope (littlehope) | 82 comments Tassie Dave wrote: "Kristina wrote: "I know nothing of Tad Williams, but based on those reviews I'm placing my vote towards this book becoming a pick! "

It's already in the calendar as the November S&L book. (See Nov..."


Thank you so much for posting this! Knowing me I never would have seen it...

I am going to see about ordering The Dirty Streets of Heaven from the library on Friday and I've been meaning to reread the hobbit. :)


message 30: by [deleted user] (new)

Tassie Dave wrote: "Kristina wrote: "I know nothing of Tad Williams, but based on those reviews I'm placing my vote towards this book becoming a pick! "

It's already in the calendar as the November S&L book. (See Nov..."


Cool, Thanks for posting that, will look forward to reading it.


message 31: by Hope (new)

Hope (littlehope) | 82 comments I just ordered The Dirty Streets of Heaven from the library! hopefully it will come in soon. :)


message 32: by Margit (new)

Margit (Seitherin) | 14 comments I did, but that didn't exist when I typed that. It's easy t..."

I wasn't being condescending, I was just pointing out the fact the book was available. I ordered it on August 15, 2011, which is a year before you say you looked for it, thus the comment. Since I don't know you or where you're from or which amazon you searched, I made the default assumption it was the same as mine.


message 33: by Alex (new)

Alex | 36 comments I gotta for for The Dirty Streets of Heaven, I'm finishing it up now and it's great! Also that would put me a book ahead!


message 34: by Kevin (new)

Kevin Ashby | 110 comments Just finished The Dirty Streets of Heaven and absolutely loved it.


message 35: by Tom, Supreme Laser (new)

Tom Merritt (tommerritt) | 1016 comments Mod
So... are y'all happy we picked Dirty Streets of Heaven?


message 36: by Rob, Roberator (new)

Rob (robzak) | 5140 comments Mod
Personally I was disappointed with it, and didn't feel it lived up to the hype. Not to mention I read it before it was a pick. Had I known ahead of time I would have waited. It wasn't bad, just nothing special.

Oh well, I have plenty of other things to read this month. Plus I loaned the book to a friend this month so they can try to read along.

I'm sure some people will like it though.


message 37: by terpkristin (new)

terpkristin | 3636 comments Tom wrote: "So... are y'all happy we picked Dirty Streets of Heaven?"

I'm happy to finally read a Tad Williams book, but would be interested to know if this is the same style of Tad Williams book that made V fall in love with his stuff.


message 38: by AndrewP (new)

AndrewP (AndrewCa) | 2144 comments At only 406 pages this is practically a novella by Tad Williams standards:)

@Terpkristin - from what people are saying, it doesn't sound much like his other works. But then again, the two series I have read from him were very different from each other too, so that's not a negative.


message 39: by Meghan (new)

Meghan (Bobette) | 30 comments Tom wrote: "So... are y'all happy we picked Dirty Streets of Heaven?"

There were some moments where I laughed very very hard. For the most part though, it didn't leave much of an impression. It was good, but I'm not sure it would be anything I loan out.


message 40: by Rick (last edited Oct 31, 2012 10:19AM) (new)

Rick | 2118 comments I read Dirty Streets a couple of months ago. It's in the same class for me as Leviathan Wakes... I liked it, I read it easily and didn't feel any struggle to read it but I wasn't blown away or compelled to read the next one RIGHT NAO. AS with LW, I'll read the next one, but when it's in paperback/at paperback prices for the ebook.

In Goodreads terms, they're both about 3.5 stars for me... above average, definitely worth the time and money but not quite hitting the outstanding category. Dirty Streets also has the same issue for me that Assassin's Apprentice had which is that it is the first book in a series and so sets some things up and feels paced as a series book vs a self-contained, this-is-all-you-get-folks book.

That said, I think Dirty Streets has a lot of things that make it a great book club choice - The spiritual world as Bobby knows it, the relative lack of magic flash bang stuff, etc.


message 41: by Kristina (new)

Kristina | 587 comments OMG I have a hold on it at the library, who lists it as due back on Oct 18... so who knows :(


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