Angel Vanstark's Reviews > The Symposium
The Symposium
by Plato
by Plato
I am outraged after reading this. First, the approach that was taken (multiple layers of theory of mind) opposed the main topic, love. How the fuck do you expect to talk about love if you don't even have the balls to honor it enough at a close degree. Why the hell am I, as the reader, supposed to believe what comes from the grapevine; Plato and his crew were sketchy mother fuckers. The second and third issue I had with this piece of literature are more pertinent to culture and how the academic world ran with this. Love was conversed about while everyone was DRUNK; other than lowered inhibitions, drunk people don't really come up with the most coherent ideas. Yes, some of the definitions and concepts presented are very applicable into a larger context, but academics forget that this was a prototype conversation about love. How can so many people blindly follow this shit religiously? Are you really that emotionally unaware? Yes, the conversations were somewhat elegant, but why the fuck do you take it for fact and allow this to influence so much of our cultural systems now? I don't understand why people have taken this as one of the last needed steps towards making sense of love. It's ludicrous! People should begin to realize that this is a very small starting point. There should be an expansion in the terms of affection to aid humanity in being able to describe the level of their emotional attachment. By accepting the Symposium as a done deal, you have limited your emotional understanding of the very complex realms of your self. In English there are very few words to describe the level of affection one has towards another (like, admire, yearn, lust, and love); it's no wonder people in our following generations have so much fucking trouble understanding why breakups hurt so fucking god damn always. People do not understand the depth or the magnitude of their emotions, and it is evident in the limited language that we have to be able to admit it. I have even found myself using stupid made up shit like, "I like like you." What the fuck is that? If you expand the language, you will more likely be able to help people understand their emotions, and therefore help them manage their emotions. Furthermore, isn't it convenient that, like in the use of the bible, people pick and chose the parts of the symposium that they want to talk about. The text was about half-naked, drunk men getting together to talk about love; that's pretty gay if you ask me (I'm using gay with the proper definition of a man who has emotional, physical, and spiritual attraction to the same sex). Then they go on to talk about gay relationships (I won't tell between who for those of you who haven't read this), and they even talk about a story in which that was an accepted norm. It's ridiculous that people use this text to bestow their wishful desires onto themselves, and yet they ignore an entire part of the community just because of cultural context. Why aren't the fucking academics advocating for gay marriage with this literature? Why is society favoring a couple of lines in the bible that are fallaciously revamped out of historical context in order to oppress people of non-heterosexual identity? I write this review in hopes that others begin to reflect on what the fuck they pick and choose; people deserve to know MORE about love. The Symposium was a cute start; now, let's get the party going a bit more. I think its long over due.
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Aug 19, 2013 01:45AM
You, Sir, are a nincompoop.
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i studied this book in school in greece and i have to say that you didnt understand anything. this is not just a fiction that you just read. its philosophy and by that i mean that you should stop and ask yourself a few things before you continue reading this book like any other book. i dont know how good or bad the translation was but i had to translate every single passage of this book from ancient greek to modern learn them by heart and take the examinations. i was 15 and i understood this book way better than you did. sorry to tell you this but obviously you are so overwhelmed by your own opinions that you didnt really read what Plato and Socrates had to say. also this books was written 2500 years ago BC and dont forget that things were different back then and Greece believed in all kinds of things.
Sakura wrote: "i studied this book in school in greece and i have to say that you didnt understand anything. this is not just a fiction that you just read. its philosophy and by that i mean that you should stop a..."I'm well aware of the context it was written in, and I spent about 4 months reading and rereading this text in particular. I take months to reflect on text. I apply it to my daily life, and then I reflect on it again. I hope that you understood that my review isn't a comment on the text itself. It was written well. From a rhetorical standpoint, it was absolutely fascinating. My negative feedback on this literary work is more concerned with the social implications and ramifications that this text brought to society, or better yet, the cloud of mystique that people don't let go of. So you translated it, whoopdie-do! (and that is not to devalue your experience in any way. I wrote this response after coming out of homelessness. I wrote it during a long period of coming out of an abusive relationship. I wrote this review during a time in my life where love had to be breathed at each moment in order for me to survive. That's why I still stand by my review. I wrote it when I allowed myself to become emotionally weak enough to analyze love at its most fundamental level. After reading your comment, I'm almost inspired to write my own book on love. A reflection that will show people what another step looks in answering the following: What is love? Either way, I appreciate your insight, and I will read a couple more versions of this literary work.
I don't know how one can review a piece of literature/philosophy/etc based on, not the merit of the text itself, but on its impact.
Steven wrote: "I don't know how one can review a piece of literature/philosophy/etc based on, not the merit of the text itself, but on its impact."I see what you're trying to say, but I also wrote why the text doesn't live up to its merit either. Refer to lines like, "...the approach that was taken (multiple layers of theory of mind) opposed the main topic, love."
Again, I don't merely review books on one fundamental level. I review it on multiple levels of thinking and then decide on where I stand. I would be happy to hear what you have to add though. I might have missed something, and I would be more than happy to listen to why you think it's so awesome and fantastic! :D
Coming from an eastern point of view I agree with you harmony is created by joining our logic and emotions as complementary pairs not opposing forces
Coming from an eastern point of view I agree with you harmony is created by joining our logic and emotions as complementary pairs not opposing forces
Sakura wrote: "i dont know how good or bad the translation was but i had to translate every single passage of this book from ancient greek to modern learn them by heart and take the examinations."By any chance have you read Ione? Your comment reminds me of that: he could recite Homer from cover to cover, but didn't much delved into understanding it. He memorized and recited. Socrates had a field day with him...I don't suppose you'd appreciate that.
"i studied this book in school in greece and i have to say that you didnt understand anything."
For someone equipped with such an impressive education, you seem to have missed English 1A. Your grammar is atrocious. Also, you insist on how well you understand it as opposed to this user without offering any counterargument. Except for pointing out information that is painfully obvious:
"its philosophy..." No shit, Sherlock.
"also this books was written 2500 years ago BC and dont forget that things were different back then..." You mean...people were different 2,000 + years ago? Like...as in...they didn't have cars and Twitter? This is so interesting! Please, tell us more.
Next time you drop by someone else's review space to, uninvitedly, trumpet your academic curriculum, be sure to provide arguments as to how, or in how many ways your understanding is superior to some other lest you make yourself sound like a snobbish, pretentious child. The summarization of your comment would be: "I know more than you!" And please, use that Shift key for capitalization; learn the difference between plurals and singulars, basic grammar, etc. You're painful to read.
It's impossible to take you remotely seriously.
