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The Sea Priestess by Dion Fortune
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NB: Should you choose to read this book, I do not recommend the Kindle version pictured here (published June 1st 2003 by Weiser Books). The publisher put almost no effort into producing this, which is a shame and disrespectful to the author. Judging by the outcome, I assume a manuscript was scanned and then word-recognition software was used to translate it. The formatting is a muddle and it's full of typos, some of which are so mutilated that I struggled to figure out what the words should have been: Imagine if the auto-correct function on your phone wrote a book for you; it's like that.

*Warning: Plot Spoilers Ahead!*

The Sea Priestess is a novel about Pagan spirituality, ritual magic, and the archetypal Goddess representing the "divine feminine", whose passions reveal themselves through the ever hypnotic Moon and the Sea in her infinite mystery.
And I saw in my imagination all the life that is behind the sea, and it seemed to me that there was intelligence behind it; a mind not unlike our own, but vaster, and vastly simpler. The life of elemental nature differed from our life in degree, but not in kind. It had the same kind of corporate being as a hive or a herd, which is not embodied, but overshadowed.
It is a lively and engaging read that made me feel a bit dizzy by the end with all the atmospheric goings on. I say "lively" and, while that is true, it's also full of long passages of philosophical musings that not everyone will like. As I am a bit given to musing myself, I enjoyed it, but I would add that how you feel about The Sea Priestess will largely depend on your world view and whether you take it seriously as a spiritual text. I read it as fiction but the author meant for it to be much more than that.

Dion Fortune's (1890-1946) novels were a medium through which she shared her spiritual beliefs and practices. She was a highly successful Jungian analyst, an occultist, a priestess of a pagan religion which worshiped the "old gods" as the embodiment of nature's elemental forces, and a ceremonial magician. If you don't know much about her, it's worth perusing her Wikipedia page: Fortune is recognised as one of the most significant occultists and ceremonial magicians of the early 20th century. The Fraternity she founded survived her and in later decades spawned a variety of related groups based upon her teachings. Her novels in particular proved an influence on later occult and modern Pagan groups such as Wicca.

I learnt of Dion Fortune because I read a lot of Phil Rickman novels, which frequently involve the pagan elements and rituals of pre-Christian Britain, many of which seem to have carried on into modern times. Fortune, unlike Rickman, was writing truth (as she defined it) masked as fiction, I found some of the beliefs and practices sinister and disturbing. If you have ever seen the old 1973 cult film The Wicker Man, you will have a good idea of what I mean.

Our hapless protagonist, Wilfred, feels himself to be a bit of a loser. He lives in a small English town in Somerset, near the coast, where he looks after his mother and sister in the family home, his father having died some years earlier. Wilfred runs an estate agency and, in turn, is run by his mother and sister. At the novel's opening, he is a self-described mother's boy who quarrels endlessly with his pushy sibling. Watching him change to embrace his manhood and its attendant virility as the novel progresses is satisfying in some ways and disturbing in others. (There is a phase in Wilfred's development in which he becomes, for a while, an obnoxious drunk and a bit of a lout; but he overcomes this by the end of the novel.)

Wilfred's catalyst for change comes in the form of a beautiful and mysterious woman who goes by the name of Vivien Le Fay Morgan. A long-term client of Wilfred's real estate firm, the two meet after many years of doing business solely through letters. Wilfred, to his surprise, finds a young, vibrant, and magnetic female instead of the ninety-year-old granny he should, by rights, have encountered. He is immediately drawn to her as representing everything his life lacks: beauty, sex, vitality, strength, courage, and unconventionality. To be sure, Wilfred had been waiting for something or someone like Vivien his whole life, never having been content to go along with the mindless herd, whom he sees as beneath him. One also feels that he needs to give himself in subjugation to an object of worship, and Vivien is more than happy to receive his veneration. Wilfred's faith in Vivien nurtures the Sea Priestess image that they both hold of her, which calls to them from their remote shared past and from the "fourth dimension" which is accessible to them only in dreams and visions.

The relationship between the two, while fascinating on a spiritual level, ends up being frustrating for Wilfred. In short, Vivien will not only not marry Wilfred, she will not even have sex with him. Frankly, I found this prudish and ridiculous and not what one would expect from a pagan priestess. She is willing to "sacrifice" him, or at least use his life force to her own ends, to feed him well, and to put him up for the weekends in her refurbished fortress by the sea; but hands off, little man! The priestess is a cold fish who does not sully herself on the physical plane! Poor Wilfred. He really is kind of a loser in life. Nevertheless, he persists, and the two become intimate emotionally and spiritually, if not physically.
There is a curious power in silence when you think alike without word spoken and each knows the other's thoughts. As long as nothing is said, the thing you are thinking remains in another dimension and is magical, but as soon as you speak it, you lose it. It is the old story of the jewels bought in the goblin market, which you must only look at by moonlight or you find them to be a handful of dead leaves.
Over the weeks that follow, as Wilfred paints sea murals over the interior walls of the temple he has redesigned and refurbished for his goddess, from the remains of an old fort, the two spend many hours together, basically getting high on the elements. They spend evenings staring into fires made of particular woods that bring about visions. They stand on slippery rocks at the edge of the sea, beneath the full Moon, and let the sea water lap at their ankles. They are able to confirm through a series of visions manifested during ceremonial magic that they have been together in a previous life, she as the Sea Priestess and he as her sacrificial victim. Once this knowledge is certain and Vivien feels that Wifred is ready, all that is left for them is the playing out of an ancient ritual, in which Wilfred loses not his earthly life but certainly his reason for living. The Rite of Isis completed, Vivien leaves him cold, and he never sees her again.

Don't worry though. Things turn out okay for Wilfred in the end. He marries a lovely and perfectly decent young lady and moves her out to the old farm down by the abandoned temple (at her insistence), where she begins to speak to the Moon and turn herself into a priestess, just as Vivien had been.

There are some really ludicrous ideas in this book, as you may have gleaned. Taken as fantasy, it was fun; but then, I am not into the woman-as-goddess mysticism, as a spiritual belief system or even as a useful metaphor. Also, several of the plot elements and their implications just irked me. Firstly, why do people who believe themselves to be reincarnated insist on being some character of legend or, at the very least, an important figure in history? In this case, Vivien is meant to be Morgan Le Fay (but of course!). One wonders if Dion Fortune thought herself to be a reincarnation of someone fabulous and legendary. Probably yes.

Regarding that "Probably yes": Gareth Knight is one of the world's foremost authorities on ritual magic, the Western Mystery Tradition and Qabalistic symbolism. He trained in Dion Fortune's Society of the Inner Light, and has spent a lifetime rediscovering and teaching the principles of magic as a spiritual discipline and method of self-realisation. (Source) I read this blog essay he wrote about The Sea Priestess. One of the comments which follows says:
I truly believe that Dion Fortune was a reincarnation of Morgan Le Fay , I am sure they were from the same soul group and even Dion's style for red dresses long cloaks all reflecting her past soul connection to Glastonbury and this area of the Earth. I wonder if Dion realized that she was in affect channeling her her soul origins, and her origins as a high priestess of Isis. Even the land she lived on in Glastonbury is the same land that Morgan Le fay lived on, as she was able to awaken the land and work with and its magical properties. Its a shame that as I walk past that land now it seems sad, like it holds many secrets, also that it has many tales to tell .
I don't know whether Fortune believed herself to have been the mythical Morgan Le Fay, but it appears that at least some of her fans believe it.

Secondly, the sacrificing of oneself to these elemental pagan gods really creeped me out. The earlier scenes describing men who were drowned in caves as offerings to the sea goddess were disturbing enough. (Oh but they are blessed because they will pass into the temples of the gods, under the sea, and live happily forevermore!). Talking men into killing themselves by promising them good fortune in the realms of the dead reminds me of Islamic suicide bombers who are told they will be blessed with virgins in heaven. It's deeply perverse and profoundly wicked.

Humans (or any creatures) being sacrificed to ancient gods is evil, in my opinion, and cannot be justified. But the sex rite that completes the story was somehow even worse, to my mind. By the end of the book, Wilfred and his lovely new wife, Molly (who is no siren like Vivien but a very sweet and capable girl) have offered themselves up to the Moon Goddess, who represents ALL goddesses. In Fortune's religion, all gods are one god, all goddesses are one goddess, and the masculine and feminine energies come together, physically and spiritually, in an eternal dance of give and take. These elemental gods and goddesses are ruled over, themselves, by the One, who is the great Initiator of all creation and whom, as I understand it, Dion Fortune believed to be Christ. Oddly, Fortune did consider herself to be a Christian, albeit a very unorthodox one, and considered both Christianity and the ancient Pagan religions of the West to be the right and proper traditions for the Anglo Saxon peoples. She believed it to be spiritually unhealthy and unwholesome to take on other races' and cultures' gods, saviors, rituals, and traditions.

Anyway, back to the sex rite. The upshot is that Molly offers herself sexually to her husband, Wilfred, after both of them have already offered themselves spiritually to the Moon Goddess. This takes their lovemaking to a whole new level, one in which they are no longer simply themselves but representative archetypes of All Men and All Women. In a shared vision, Molly and Wilfred make love in a pagan temple while the nature gods watch on with approval, and the elemental forces of the universe flow through them. This is supposed to be an awesome blessing from the gods, but it bothered me on a visceral level.

Why would anyone want to offer themselves, body and soul, to these supposedly sentient embodiments of Nature? For these beings are never depicted as sympathetic to and nurturing of our species. In fact, I kept recalling the opening paragraph of H.G. Wells's The War of the Worlds: Yet across the gulf of space, minds that are to our minds as ours are to those of the beasts that perish, intellects vast and cool and unsympathetic, regarded this earth with envious eyes, and slowly and surely drew their plans against us.

To be fair, I do not understand women who need to envision themselves as goddesses or as figures of myth and legend. I mean, I can understand enjoying the fantasy for as long as the book or film lasts,* but not embracing this as one's personal truth. Why isn't being a human being, a real woman in the real world, sufficient for us and for our men? I am absolutely sure that my husband would not want to take me to bed whilst imagining some crumbling old god leering over us and nodding approval. Peter Beagle** said, The grave's a fine and private place ... and, to us, so is a marriage bed. It's a microcosm made for two and inviting onlookers would be a corruption, turning the sacred profane.

Here's an excerpt from the sex rite:
(Molly speaks)
"Lo, I receive the gifts thou bringest me
Life and more life-in fullest ecstasy
I am the Moon, the Moon that draweth thee.
I am the waiting Earth that calleth thee.
Come unto me, Great Pan, come unto me!
Come unto me, Great Pan, come unto me!"


(Wilfred reflects while watching Molly)
I knew that she was exercising her ancient right and giving me the mating-call in the name of the moon, far truer to Nature than any convention of duty and modesty. And I knew why Morgan had said that on the inner planes the woman is positive and should take the initiative, for the Astral Plane is ruled by the moon and woman is her priestess; and when she comes in her ancient right, representing the moon, the moon-power is hers and she can fertilise the male with vitalising magnetic force. And the answering power awoke in me from the very deeps of my being, far deeper than the overflow of desire that comes from a physical pressure; for she called up from me the reserves of vital force and brought them into action-the reserves that the law of our nature guards against the great crises when we fight for life itself—the things that give the madman his strength and the poet his creative frenzy. Not until these things are called up by the call of the beloved can we be said to have mated to the depths of our being. They are not called forth when the man wooes the woman because he feels like it, but they are called forth when she comes to him in the name of Great Isis and bids him worship the goddess with her and through her.
Interestingly, Fortune herself seems to have been more like Vivien, who, as a priestess, did not indulge in sex. Fortune married once but was ... well, unfortunate. From what I can glean, sexual chemistry did not spark between Dion and her husband, and he sought partners elsewhere, which led to their divorcing. She seems to have been rather prudish sexually, which explains a lot about this book and her philosophies. Pagan priestess or not, Fortune was born in a time when bold female sexuality belonged only to whores. So perhaps she had to make something grand, cosmic, and sacrificial out of lovemaking, because she could not appreciate it in its (natural and human) right.

*About the setting*

My favourite part of the book was the setting. The old abandoned fort sitting atop a promontory facing the vast and lonely sea is a romantic image. Wifred undertakes to repair and redesign the fort as a temple for his goddess, sculpting bridges and arches festooned with sea creatures, painting wild sea murals on interior walls, replacing bricks with wide panes of glass to open up a panoramic view of the sea, and creating gothic arches over the windows to soften the stark facade. The setting was based upon Brean Down, which is described as follows in Wikipedia: A promontory off the coast of Somerset, England, standing 318 feet (97 m) high and extending 1.5 miles (2 km) into the Bristol Channel at the eastern end of Bridgwater Bay between Weston-super-Mare and Burnham-on-Sea.

Made of Carboniferous Limestone, it is a continuation of the Mendip Hills. Two further continuations are the small islands of Steep Holm and Flat Holm. The cliffs on the northern and southern flanks of Brean Down have large quantities of fossils laid down in the marine deposits about 320–350 million years ago. The site has been occupied by humans since the late Bronze Age and includes the remains of a Romano-Celtic Temple. At the seaward end is Brean Down Fort which was built in 1865 and then re-armed in the Second World War.

Brean Down is now owned by the National Trust, and is rich in wildlife, history and archaeology. It is a Site of Special Scientific Interest due to both the geology and presence of nationally rare plants including the white rock-rose. It has also been scheduled as an ancient monument.


Brean Down FortImage Source

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* Admittedly, I kept grabbing hold of the rubbish bin lid and yelling "shield!" to my husband for weeks after seeing Wonder Woman. I blame Robin Wright for being so fabulous in that movie.

** As my GR friend, Richard, points out, Beagle is quoting Andrew Marvell's poem To His Coy Mistress but, honestly, I was thinking of Beagle and had forgot Marvell when I wrote this so I will leave it as is.
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message 1: by Warwick (new)

Warwick Ha. Fun review – you strike a nice balance of being sceptical, but also understanding, of the weird pagano-sexual mores here. (Incidentally, your point about how reincarnation always seems to involve big names reminded me of Arnold Rimmer from Red Dwarf: "Believe it or not, Lister, in a past incarnation, I was Alexander the Great…'s chief eunuch.")


T.D. Whittle Warwick wrote: "Believe it or not, Lister, in a past incarnation, I was Alexander the Great…'s chief eunuch."

Ha ha ha ha ha. Surely something to be proud of! Judging by my current life and preferences, I just assume I dispensed hot cross buns in the village square for a living, or sold my body to strangers so I could buy pies.

Thanks, Warwick. :)


message 3: by Jan (new)

Jan Rice About the time I joined Goodreads, I was trying to read James Hillman's Re-Visioning Psychology, which is all about the pagan gods and goddesses and -- maybe -- incorporating them into our lives. I really can't remember; I was not ready! Maybe I should give it another go with your review as inspiration, T.D.!


T.D. Whittle Jan wrote: "About the time I joined Goodreads, I was trying to read James Hillman's Re-Visioning Psychology, which is all about the pagan gods and goddesses and -- maybe -- incorporating them int..."

Thanks for the recommendation, Jan!

I have become rather obsessed with Dion Fortune. Her beliefs and practices do not reflect my own, but I find her fascinating. She was very much her own person and did not allow herself to be cowed by the social expectations of the time. She was also very smart and had a good sense of humor, and her books are well written.


message 5: by Jan (new)

Jan Rice T.D. wrote: "I have become rather obsessed with Dion Fortune. Her beliefs and practices do not reflect my own, but I find her fascinating. She was very much her own person and did not all..."

You can cross over to the other side through her books and keep us all informed! 😁


T.D. Whittle Jan wrote: "T.D. wrote: "I have become rather obsessed with Dion Fortune. Her beliefs and practices do not reflect my own, but I find her fascinating. She was very much her own person and did not all..."

You ..."


I am already working on making my dresses out of draperies (she really did this, apparently!) and spray-painting my sandals gold and silver. I guess I have to make the head dress from alu foil, which means I can just reshape the one I use to keep out the rays from the mother ship. If I make it, I will be in contact through your bedroom mirror. Try not to freak out when you see my magnificence glowing at you.


message 7: by Jan (new)

Jan Rice What a nice thought to turn in to! ~smile~ I'll try to be ready.


message 8: by Richard (new)

Richard T.D. wrote: "Peter Beagle said, The grave's a fine and private place ... and, to us, so is a marriage bed."

Peter Beagle was quoting Andrew Marvell's poem "To his Coy Mistress." The line is part of a famous couplet:

The grave’s a fine and private place,
But none, I think, do there embrace.

I make this comment not to be critical, but because it adds to the point that you were already making about physical love being either absent altogether or done in the wrong context.


T.D. Whittle Richard wrote: "T.D. wrote: "Peter Beagle said, The grave's a fine and private place ... and, to us, so is a marriage bed."

Peter Beagle was quoting Andrew Marvell's poem "To his Coy Mistress." The line is part o..."


Thank you, Richard! Silly of me. I have enjoyed Marvell's poems but I'd forgot that was from "To His Coy Mistress". I appreciate your comment and it does, indeed, add to my point.


未知生焉知死 CZ2128 Delta A little longer than I expected it to be, but superb and interesting review indeed. Unfortunately the author seems to be unknown to my country (S. Korea), and I see no (google) search results of a Korean translation of the novel. Here are some of my reactions while reading your review.

He is immediately drawn to her as representing everything his life lacks: beauty, sex, vitality, strength, courage, and unconventionality.

Not sure, but it sounds like an age old cliche that a (heterosexual cis) man can never be complete alone without a woman, which I think is a dubious idea if not plainly false.

She is willing to "sacrifice" him, or at least use his life force to her own ends, to feed him well, and to put him up for the weekends in her refurbished fortress by the sea

A predatory female...???


In short, Vivien will not only not marry Wilfred, she will not even have sex with him. LOL...

They spend evenings staring into fires made of particular woods that bring about visions

Melisandre from game of thrones?

I am not into the woman-as-goddess mysticism, as a spiritual belief system or even as a useful metaphor.

Neither am I.

Humans (or any creatures) being sacrificed to ancient gods is evil, in my opinion, and cannot be justified.

Evil? not sure... Anyway, humans are ideological species that make a great deal of sacrifices for ideological reasons. No other animals wage a war or sacrifice its life for religion, political cause, some cultural values etc. The only one of that sort in the Nature. So yes, they do often very weird (and possibly evil) things for ideas.


message 11: by T.D. (last edited Jul 03, 2018 07:08PM) (new) - rated it 4 stars

T.D. Whittle Moot wrote: "A little longer than I expected it to be, but superb and interesting review indeed. Unfortunately the author seems to be unknown to my country (S. Korea), and I see no (google) search results of a ..."

Hi, Moot. Thanks for reading, for your kind response, and for your very interesting comments. (I agree about the length. This is the longest review I have ever written because I kept thinking of things about Dion Fortune that I wanted to add.)

Not sure, but it sounds like an age old cliche that a (heterosexual cis) man can never be complete alone without a woman, which I think is a dubious idea if not plainly false.

I would say that depends on the person, really. To me, it's not so much a cliche as a fact of most humans that we want to pair bond. Wilfred is no different from most, and certainly, in my experience as a woman and a therapist, I have known many many many men and women who want the same. I don't think heterosexual and CIS-gendered comes into it, but simply the deeply human need for intimate companionship. Having said that, I totally agree that not all people require this, nor would they want it.

A predatory female...???

Indeed, she is a predatory female, and unashamedly so, but not in the usual sense. She has money and resources and, as a priestess, is set apart in service to her goddess; so she needs a particular type of male (one with the ability to act as priest to her priestess) in order to complete certain work she wants to do, in serving her goddess and thereby performing a service to the benefit of all humankind. She makes no excuses for being completely ruthless in her focus on carrying this out, as she sees the ends as being worth the means. However, in fairness, the priestess does leave Wilfred with skills and abilities he lacked, so that he is therefore able to do what she does, with his wife, once she abandons him. His new wife learns to be a priestess, on her own merits.

I am less judgy about the withholding of sex since I read the follow up book Moon Magic. Apparently, Vivien (who now goes by Lilith) really cannot have sex with her priests, physically, or the "magic goes out the window" (i.e. they become magically impotent). However, there is a kind of cosmic sexual engagement that occurs during their rituals. So, the sexual energy between the pair is used for the magic and cannot be used in the normal fashion.

This particular approach to ceremonial magic, from what I have read so far, is profoundly binary regarding gender and completely heterosexual, as it relies on the "magnetism" between male and female and assumes a "divine feminine" that belongs to all women and is represented by the moon and the sea. Likewise, it assumes a "divine masculine" that is represented by the sun and ... something else, I think, but can't remember what. These principles and energies can be "drawn down" into the priest and priestess during their ceremonies and used for magical ends.

There are magic cults that belong to homosexuals and, nowadays, non-CIS groups seeking enlightenment and empowerment through their own rites and rituals.

Melisandre from game of thrones?

I have never seen Game of Thrones, so I couldn't say.

Evil? not sure... Anyway, humans are ideological species that make a great deal of sacrifices for ideological reasons. No other animals wage a war or sacrifice its life for religion, political cause, some cultural values etc. The only one of that sort in the Nature. So yes, they do often very weird (and possibly evil) things for ideas.

Well, I say evil because I believe in evil. I have studied postmodern theory in some depth, as it was a large component of my Masters program. It's useful in many ways as a critique but not as a worldview (in my opinion). I remain steadfast in my belief in a principle of evil as well as a principle of good that go beyond the biological and environmental. That's just me. You may be completely different and, if atheist, would most certainly disagree.

I understand that humans make sacrifices and that we would not have a species if we did not and had not developed in a way that compels us to do so. I agree that this can be necessary and would hate to think where we would be without it.

My objection in this case is not the sacrifice but that it is a ritual offering to a god (or in this case, goddess). Dying defending your country, your home, your loved ones, etc. is a noble sacrifice. Dying by having your throat cut on an altar or because you have been bound to a rock in a sea cave, for no reason whatsoever except to placate some goddess's desire is just a terrible waste of a human life. And, yes, evil.

Clearly, I don't hold the same beliefs as Dion Fortune though. In the rituals she describes in her books, the goddess has apparently stopped demanding literal sacrifice of men's lives and is content to have their energy and vitality drawn off them to use to her own ends. In turn, she offers her blessing which comes later, in her own time. After these rites, both priest and priestess are left vigorous and revitalised (following a brief period of post-ceremonial exhaustion) much as couples feel after good sex. So their energy that is taken up by the goddess is returned to them manifestly amplified (which is not the case with the blood sacrifices of earlier times, where the reward had to be gained in the afterlife, or not at all).

I am not a Pagan and find some of these practices odious. (Others are lovely and harmless, as far as I can tell.) But I am interested in Dion Fortune and her books because she was a brilliant and fascinating woman.


message 12: by 未知生焉知死 (last edited Jul 06, 2018 05:40AM) (new)

未知生焉知死 CZ2128 Delta Thanks for your reply. Right now, I'd like to add my comment on just one thing.

"Well, I say evil because I believe in evil. I have studied postmodern theory in some depth, as it was a large component of my Masters program. It's useful in many ways as a critique but not as a worldview (in my opinion). I remain steadfast in my belief in a principle of evil as well as a principle of good that go beyond the biological and environmental. That's just me. You may be completely different and, if atheist, would most certainly disagree."

As you suspect, I'm an atheist. But not the sort of aggressive, militant (?) atheists, such as Richard Dawkins, who actively and positively try HARD to convince people that religious faith is pointless, nonsense, false and even likely harmful or evil in many cases. However, my view on the problem of Evil and Good seems to be close to yours (at least, not so much different) except that I believe while there are some fundamental, objective and universal ethical principles (i.e., the golden rule) which are valid across cultures and times, they are solely based on the evolutionary history of human species and biology such that we have no reason to posit some external entity who imposed those principles upon us, such as God in Abrahamic religions or the mandate of heaven in ancient Chinese thought.

Yes, Just my opinion.


message 13: by T.D. (last edited Jul 06, 2018 09:55PM) (new) - rated it 4 stars

T.D. Whittle Moot wrote: "However, my view on the problem of Evil and Good seems to be close to yours (at least, not so much different) except that I believe while there are some fundamental, objective and universal ethical principles (i.e., the golden rule) which are valid across cultures and times, they are solely based on the evolutionary history of human species and biology such that we have no reason to posit some external entity who imposed those principles upon us, such as God in Abrahamic religions or the mandate of heaven in ancient Chinese thought."

Yes, that is well said. :)


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