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The Symposium by Plato
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Recommended for: People confused by Love
Read on July 26, 2014

OPRAH: Good evening and welcome to What's the Most Spiritual Book of All Time? For people who missed last week's exciting semi-final round, The Sermon on the Mount beat The Bhagavad Gita 4-1 while Jonathan Livingston Seagull unexpectedly lost 3-2 to outsider The Symposium. Let's all welcome our finalists!

[Applause. Enter JESUS CHRIST and SOCRATES, both wearing tuxedos. They shake hands. More applause.]

OPRAH: And now let me introduce our jury. I'm thrilled to have with us living legend Paul McCartney, world-famous novelist E.L. James, the beautiful and talented Lindsay Lohan, controversial scientist Richard Dawkins and ever-popular hockey mom Sarah Palin!

[The crowd goes wild, with some people clapping and others booing. It's impossible to make out a word anyone says.]

OPRAH: Thank you, thank you, thank you. I'm just going to remind you of the rules before we start. Each member of the jury gives us a short speech, and then we count up the votes to see who our lucky winner is. Over to you, Paul!

MCCARTNEY: Thank you, Oprah. Well, I look at our two finalists, and you know what I'm thinking? I'm thinking they won that special place they have in our hearts because they told us about Love. And I remember back in 1966 when John gave that interview where he said - no offense intended - "we're more popular than Jesus". [JESUS holds up a hand to show he's cool.] They gave John a hard time about that, but all he wanted to say was that even though Jesus had shown us the power of Love, maybe, at that exact moment in history, we could do a better job of bringing it to the people and telling them all how amazing Love is. Because it is amazing, isn't it? [He takes out a guitar.]Perhaps some of you remember this song we wrote.
There's nothing you can do that can't be done
Nothing you can sing that can't be sung
Nothing you can say but you can learn how to play the game
It's easy

Nothing you can make that can't be made
No one you can save that can't be saved
Nothing you can do but you can learn how to be you in time
It's easy

All you need is love--
OPRAH: That's wonderful, Paul, but who are you voting for?

MCCARTNEY: Oh, er... well, if John were here, I think he'd want me to vote for The Symposium. He was always had a thing for Socrates. George too. Yes, Socrates it is.

[Applause. The scoreboard shows 1-0. SOCRATES looks a little embarrassed, while JESUS curiously examines MCCARTNEY's guitar.]

OPRAH: That's terrific, Paul, beautiful, beautiful song. Really takes me back. So Socrates is in the lead, but it's early days yet. Your turn, Erika!

JAMES: Good evening, and I'm thrilled to be here. Now, I'm sure some of you have read the Fifty Shades books, and I believe a lot of people misunderstand them. It's easy just to think about the sex and the glitz and the limos and the handcuffs and the blindfolds and the whips and the--

OPRAH: I'm not quite sure what you're trying to say here, Erika.

JAMES: Just let me finish, Oprah. What most people don't realize is that these books aren't about sex, they're about Love. They're a spiritual journey, where Ana has to help Christian - have you ever wondered why he's called Christian? - find himself and discover the difference between empty eroticism and the redeeming power of--

OPRAH: I'm afraid I'm going to have to cut you off there, Erika. You'll have to tell us now who you're voting for.

JAMES: Well, Jesus, of course. Really, Fifty Shades is an allegory, a modern version of Dante's--

OPRAH: That's incredibly interesting, Erika, and I wish we had more time to talk about it. But now the score's 1-1, and we're moving on to our third member of the jury. Your turn, Lindsay!

LOHAN: Thank you everyone, and I'd particularly like to thank my parole officer for allowing me to join you tonight. She said it'd be good for me. [Laughter, applause]. So, yeah, Love. To me, love's about trying to find my soulmate. I bet there's plenty of you people who feel the same way I do, there's someone out there who's, like, the other half of me and I have to find that person to be complete. You know? And it's really hard to guess who that person is, maybe it's a guy, like, you know, maybe Justin or Ashton or Zac or Ryan, and we were once this person who was half a man and half a woman and we got split apart, or maybe it's a woman, like maybe Sam or--

OPRAH: Lindsay, that's such a moving thought, but we've got to watch the clock. Who are you voting for?

LOHAN: Well, duh, Socrates of course. It's all there in the Symposium. The Aristophanes speech. I must have read it a million times.

OPRAH: Lindsay, thank you so much, and I really hope you find your soulmate one day. You just need to keep looking. So Socrates has taken a 2-1 lead and we're going over to our next speaker. Richard?

DAWKINS: Ah, yes. Now, I've been sitting here listening to all of you, and I've enjoyed your contributions, but I'm a scientist and I've got to think about things in a scientific way. When I think about love as a scientist, all I ultimately see is tropisms and feedback loops. An organism feels a lack of something - it could be as simple as an E. coli needing an essential nutrient - and it does what it can to get it. Love is just the concrete expression of that negative feedback loop. There's nothing--

OPRAH: This all sounds like Socrates's speech. I take it you're voting for him then?

DAWKINS: What? Oh, no, no, not at all. Jesus, every time. [He takes off his jacket, revealing a T-shirt that says ATHEISTS FOR JESUS.] I can't stand Platonic forms and all that mystical nonsense. Jesus, now there's a straightforward, plain-speaking person with solid humanist values. Just a shame he got mixed up with the religion business.

[Boos, catcalls, some scattered clapping. The scoreboard shows 2-2.]

OPRAH: Er - right. Always ready to surprise us, Richard! So it's up to Sarah to cast the deciding vote. Over to you, Sarah!

PALIN: Well Oprah, I'm afraid I'm not as imaginative as Richard. I'm just a regular small-town girl with regular small-town values, and I was brought up readin' the Sermon on the Mount. Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness' sake, blessed are ye when men shall revile you, smaller government, lower taxes, support Israel, no to--

OPRAH: Is that all in the Sermon on the Mount, Sarah?

PALIN: Maybe not in those exact words. But it's there. And you can bet your boots I'm not votin' for a liberal type who hangs around with a bunch of guys what're openly tryin' to get into his-

[JESUS and SOCRATES exchange puzzled glances.]

PALIN: Anyways. I'm votin' for Jesus.

OPRAH: Ah - thank you Sarah. Forthright as ever! So that's 3-2 to The Sermon on the Mount, but well done The Symposium, you were so close. And thank you everyone, particularly Socrates and Mr. Christ, for an amazing and deeply spiritual experience, it's been incredible meeting you all, thank you again, and we'll be back next week.

[Credits, theme music]
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message 1: by Fionnuala (new)

Fionnuala Fun!


Manny Thank you Fionnuala! If anyone wants to try and organize this competition, I'm willing to act as a consultant. I have relevant experience.


message 3: by Cheryl (last edited Jul 27, 2014 03:42PM) (new)

Cheryl AUDIENCE: LOL. You are, like, seriously brilliant, you know?


message 4: by Manny (last edited Jul 27, 2014 11:09PM) (new) - rated it 3 stars

Manny Aw, thank you Cheryl. But Plato should get all the credit. I've just updated him a bit.


message 5: by Kalliope (new)

Kalliope Good way to start the week... I should read the sermon now...

I had to scroll back up because I did not know who James was... I know the title of her book, but her name had just not stayed in my mind...

Brilliantly done, Manny.


Manny Thank you Kalliope... it's so nice to learn that there are still people who don't recognize E.L. James's name! And Not had no idea who Lindsay Lohan was. This is surely the last redoubt of European culture.


message 7: by Kalliope (new)

Kalliope Manny wrote: "Thank you Kalliope... it's so nice to learn that there are still people who don't recognize E.L. James's name! And Not had no idea who Lindsay Lohan was. This is surely the last redoubt of European..."

I also do not know who Lindsay Lohan is... at least with James I had heard of the book... Unfortunately I know who Palin is.

This could be a good book, in the school that (now I have learnt her name) James has started.

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Manny Kalliope, this is extremely impressive. Not to have heard of one out of E.L. James and Lindsay Lohan would already have been plenty, but both! I'm envious.


Samadrita Manny wrote: "Kalliope, this is extremely impressive. Not to have heard of one out of E.L. James and Lindsay Lohan would already have been plenty, but both! I'm envious."

I second that sentiment.


message 10: by Praj (new)

Praj I'm one of the unfortunate lesser mortals who have not only heard of moronic trio ( Palin, Lohan , James), but also think of them collaborating with McCartney playing the background score. What would Socrates think? Would he jump like a horny baboon on Oprah's couch?


Manny Praj: I don't see Socrates jumping on Oprah's couch for Palin, Lohan or James. Maybe for a younger and less heterosexual version of Dawkins?

Louisa: Thank you! but it is just the reflected brilliance of Plato, dimly glimpsed at a remove of two thousand odd years. I wish I could read the sarcastic, dirty-minded old bastard in the original...


message 12: by Fionnuala (new)

Fionnuala This scintillating symposium is still sitting, I see.

How about giving us the links to the exciting semi-final round, Manny?
I mostly don't receive reviews from people I'm 'following' unless I click on that option on my home page..which I'm lazy about doing..


Manny I'm afraid the semi-final round is still in the realm of Platonic forms. I will see if there's any way to bring it into the Cave so that we can get a better look at it.


message 14: by Maria (new)

Maria Fantastic Manny!


Manny Thank you Maria, this is so much fun! And I'm not even halfway through my collected Plato yet...


Stian I'm sick, and laughing hurts a lot right now, and this had me continually laughing. Not sure what to feel about that. But, just brilliant! Looking forward to more of these.


Manny Stian, a compliment that I particularly appreciate from a Norwegian! Thank you, and I hope you recover soon...


Stian Manny wrote: "Stian, a compliment that I particularly appreciate from a Norwegian! Thank you, and I hope you recover soon..."

As they say, laughter is the best medicine, so thank you! :)


message 19: by BikerDude (new)

BikerDude The most original review I've read. Fantastic. So, Manny has brains AND a wicked sense of humor? Is that fair?! I hate Manny...


Manny I think you're ascribing qualities to me which more properly belong to Plato. But it feels nice, so I'm certainly not going to try and stop you :)


message 21: by Rad (new)

Rad If there was ever a review that served as a sketch for a larger work, this is it! Truly funny.


Manny Thank you Rad! I've forwarded it to Oprah, but so far she has not returned my calls. I hope she isn't just planning to steal the idea and pass it off as her own.


Ivonne Rovira I'm ashamed to admit how much more I enjoyed this review than I ever enjoyed The Symposium. But Sarah Palin was a stitch, doncha know.


Manny I get the impression that the original dialogues are in fact really funny if you can understand them, but the translations I've seen don't focus on those aspects. I think people are too respectful towards Plato. I mean, a lot of it just seems to be off-color puns and discussions of how to cruise hot young guys.


Ivonne Rovira Manny wrote: "I get the impression that the original dialogues are in fact really funny if you can understand them, but the translations I've seen don't focus on those aspects. I think people are too respectful ..."

So, in short, a more philosophical version of a Tales of the City?


message 26: by Manny (last edited Jul 29, 2014 07:05AM) (new) - rated it 3 stars

Manny I get the impression that there's considerably less philosophy in Tales of the City. But yes, the translators I've seen do appear to be ignoring that side of Plato.

I wonder if any bookshops shelve him as LGBT?


message 27: by Cecily (new)

Cecily Manny wrote: "I get the impression that the original dialogues are in fact really funny if you can understand them, but the translations I've seen don't focus on those aspects..."

Time for a new translation!


Sookie I experienced translation fail since I missed the humor entirely that critique seem to rave.


Manny The translators keep telling you that it's funny, and looking at the content you can see it was almost certainly funny in the original, but in fact it's not funny. Funny that.

Well, I wanted to see if it was possible to do some kind of restoration job...


AlcoholBooksCinema Fantastic. Can't stop laughing. People at my work place are wondering what's wrong with me.


AlcoholBooksCinema By the way, Manny, do you know that the most powerful booze in the world is called Jesus Chirst. If you drink it you will rise only on the third day. (read it in a book)


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