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message 1: by Alex (new)

Alex Interesting pairing there, with Metamorphosis. Disempowerment? "You are being screwed over by forces beyond your control or understanding"?


message 2: by Tom (last edited Sep 16, 2016 01:38PM) (new)

Tom Quinn Alex wrote: "Interesting pairing there, with Metamorphosis. Disempowerment? "You are being screwed over by forces beyond your control or understanding"?"

I'm pretty sure it was intended as a mini-unit on Absurdism. Much of our reading list for that class was just throwing famous books at us in case they showed up on the AP exam at the end of the year.

Also, this book led to the eye-opening highlight of the whole year when a classmate gleefully marched in one day and declared -- "'Scheisskopf' means 'Shit-head!'"


message 3: by Steve (new)

Steve Great tribute to a wonderful book, Tom! But I wonder if next time you might prefer to read its sequel, Catch 23? (Sorry)


message 4: by Tom (new)

Tom Quinn Steve wrote: "Great tribute to a wonderful book, Tom! But I wonder if next time you might prefer to read its sequel, Catch 23? (Sorry)"

The series really takes off in the fourth installment, C4TCH, featuring Vin Diesel.


message 5: by Steve (new)

Steve Hahahaha! You get 4 ha's for that one.


message 6: by Phrodrick (new)

Phrodrick I think my record with this book is 4 times back to back. Nice to know I am not alone in my response to it.
FWIW as a teacher you are considered a first line bureaucrat. Not only am I also in public service, but I had a degree in it.
And yes there are still passages I can recite from memory. - An feel the need for


message 7: by Paul (new)

Paul Dembina The new TV series has prompted me to go for my (mere) 3rd reading


message 8: by Phrodrick (new)

Phrodrick there is a tv series?


message 9: by Paul (new)

Paul Dembina Catch-22 review – George Clooney's dizzying, daring triumph

https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-ra...


message 10: by Paul (new)

Paul Dembina Not sure if that link is OK or not


message 11: by Phrodrick (new)

Phrodrick Aa its a Hulu movie, no idea if an when I will get to see this version. FWIW I very much liked the first movie.

speaking of which
I get why there is such a focus on bureaucracy. I wonder how it is that folks seem to miss that the villain of the piece is Milo Minder binder, who is not so much evil as he is lost to the profit drive. The Bureaucrats may be inept, but the commercial world is blindly corrupt, and corrupting.


message 12: by Cheryl (new)

Cheryl I'm missing something. *How* does this book keep you out of trouble?


message 13: by Tyler (new)

Tyler V. I adore it too. I’ve read it maybe 2 or 3 times since high school. The hardest part is picking which part is my favorite.


message 14: by Phrodrick (new)

Phrodrick Steve wrote: "Great tribute to a wonderful book, Tom! But I wonder if next time you might prefer to read its sequel, Catch 23? (Sorry)"

There is a squeal, of sorts:
Closing Time

I do not remember it as being esp good. J. Heller has a number of other titles. None caught fire the way Catch 22 did. Perhaps justly so. I have read most of his stuff, but I suspect only because I liked C22.
Some one has written a Catch 23, about it I know nothing more.


message 15: by Tom (new)

Tom Quinn Paul wrote: "The new TV series has prompted me to go for my (mere) 3rd reading"

Indeed, that's why I revisited this again this year. I have very mixed feelings about Hulu's miniseries (I'm halfway through at the moment). They seem to have gotten the broad strokes of the themes right, but enough was changed from the book to bother me. It's a decent adaptation, and as a standalone work it's good, but not especially nuanced.


message 16: by Tom (new)

Tom Quinn Cheryl wrote: "I'm missing something. *How* does this book keep you out of trouble?"

Mostly by keeping me skeptical enough to think before I act. Usually. Sometimes.


message 17: by Tom (new)

Tom Quinn Phrodrick wrote: "Closing Time I do not remember as all that good. J. Heller wrote several other books and play - much of which I have read. Mostly because I liked C22. I do not think any of them made it big and maybe they should not. "

I agree - Closing Time was a disappointing follow-up. I've also read Picture This and plan on reading his other books but none of them pack the punch of Catch-22.


message 18: by Phrodrick (new)

Phrodrick All this has me wondering if all here present have seen the 1970 version.
I am not sure another one is needed, but the scenes of the bombers are amazing, and I suspect lifted into the new version based on some of what I have seen the the trailer.

In 1970 computer animation could not do what actual pilots did with real WW II bombers. As I recall director Mike Nichols assembled one the the largest Air Forces on the planet to make the movie.
Consider screen play by Buck Henry anda cast from Alan Arkin to Bob Newhart, and Art Garfunckle Again, I am not sure what this version can do better.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hd3X_...

Please stay for the full 5 minutes the crash landing is superb flying



Umm ok again from the trailers, this cast looks younger.


message 19: by Cheryl (new)

Cheryl Thank you Tom. I can see that the book would help you with that. Sometimes.


message 20: by Tom (new)

Tom Quinn Phrodrick wrote: "All this has me wondering if all here present have seen the 1970 version.
I am not sure another one is needed, but the scenes of the bombers are amazing, and I suspect lifted into the new version b..."


I did, around 10 years ago. I remember it as faithful to the plot, but pretty low-energy.


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