Tim’s review of 23 Minutes In Hell: One Man's Story About What He Saw, Heard, and Felt in That Place of Torment > Likes and Comments

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message 1: by Jean (last edited Jul 05, 2009 09:43PM) (new)

Jean Brown Wow Tim,

I found your post to be fascinating. I think that you articulated yourself very well and have expressed how many people feel. I have felt this way about God too in the past. Now I have come to a different understanding. The bible says that God is love. That he wants a relationship with each one of us. But that He gives each of us free will. The whole point of our journey here on earth is to love God and love others. We are free to have a relationship with Him or not. If not then He honors that choice and we are not with Him for eternity. Since He created us to be eternal beings we have to go somewhere. Wherever He is not, is going to be an ugly place just by virtue of who is there. The bible makes it very clear that God wants none to perish, He loves us all. He is a big God and gets what He wants and I believe that the majority of us won't go to Hell. But He does give us free will so some will choose to be away from Him.

Additionally, you are right, we shouldn't base our salvation on avoiding punishment. We should base it on wanting a relationship with Him. We know what that looks like through the life and teachings of Jesus Christ. He took the punishment for all of us so that we can have a relationship with a pure and holy God. It is a free gift from Him. It is our choice whether to accept it. God reminds us of Hell so that we have a full picture of our options and the resulting consequences. My best to you on your journey, God has certainly given you a gift for carefully articulating your thoughts.


message 2: by Tim (new)

Tim Jean wrote: "Wow Tim,

I found your post to be fascinating. I think that you articulated yourself very well and have expressed how many people feel. I have felt this way about God too in the past. Now I ha..."


Jean, thanks for your comments.Good luck on your journey as well.


Books Ring Mah Bell Quite possibly one of my favorite reviews ever! Well done.


message 4: by Tim (new)

Tim Books Ring My Bell wrote: "Quite possibly one of my favorite reviews ever! Well done."

Thank you very much! I have reviewed his other book, and it's equally shitty.


message 5: by Gala (new)

Gala Did you read this book because "his conversion" no I dont think you read the book.


message 6: by Tim (new)

Tim Gala wrote: "Did you read this book because "his conversion" no I dont think you read the book."

Was that a sentence you just tried to write? No, I don't think so. How could I have reviewed his book if I did not read it? What about my OPINION disagrees with your opinion?
My guess is that you cannot offer a constructive thought, so you post something idiotic and feel somehow that I are better than the person whose OPINION you are attempting to refute. Grow up, get a life and realize that it's ok if you disagree with some random dudes review on a crappy book written by a another dude with serious mental issues who also happens to be an opportunist.

However, since you somehow concluded that I wrote a review off of a book that you seem to think I never read, allow me to make an ill-informed opinion of you:
You are living under the delusion that an invisible sky fairy will destroy all who refuse to believe in him, yet still have the audacity to call this "holy" bully, good, pure, righteous and perfect. Have fun with that and good luck!


message 7: by Gala (new)

Gala Wow! You are hostile. This is not that serious. I am new to goodreads so I did not intend to ask that question to everyone. The person I was talking to know and understand the question. I have no intention of making anyone feel or think in a certain way. Please calm yourself down.


message 8: by Don Incognito (new)

Don Incognito It may be true that this book is no good from a literary standpoint, but the author probably isn't a trained writer and despite being one myself (if not a published one), I'm not offended by people who don't know how to write.

As for the reviewer, I appreciate his thoughtful and critical review, but if anyone here thinks he's approaching the book (or opposing reviews) from a hostile standpoint and wonder why he is...well, if I'm not mistaken(?), his avatar is a picture of Aleister Crowley, so go figure.


message 9: by Tim (new)

Tim Don Incognito wrote: "It may be true that this book is no good from a literary standpoint, but the author probably isn't a trained writer and despite being one myself (if not a published one), I'm not offended by people..."

Indeed, my avatar is uncle Al, but the hostility arises when I do take the time to read a book, offer a review, then am accused of not even reading it.
So, I apologize if I was hostile, but it seemed that instead of Gala attempting to debate the points that I raised, the review was dismissed.
Debate can be a great way to expose others to ideas that they may not have considered, or just to obtain information on a point of view that conflicts with their opinions.

My review was just an opinion, just like everyone's reviews on this site. I am hostile against lies, deceit and willful ignorance; additionally, I am not above considering that I am all of these things, and much worse, however I am trying to be as honest as I can within the framework of my own experiences and research.

I will not defend Crowley, as the review in no way involved him or his ideas. As to my avatar, I think it looks nice.

Thanks for the comment!


message 10: by Gala (new)

Gala If I debate with you about this matter you may accuse me of trying to convert you and I do not want to convert you to think like I do. I am glad that you are sure about what you believe. I am glad to believe the way that I do. Their is no reason to debate.


message 11: by Charlotte (new)

Charlotte Man, I hated The Core. Worst sci-fi disaster movie ever made, easily surpassing 2012.
Your review was sadly accurate.


message 12: by Gala (new)

Gala I just finished reading "Destined To Reign" by Joseph Prince. I have different views on this book now. I have different views on church, and the way I have been taught. I am glad that the church I attend, and the pastor is not proud to admit that he was wrong on some issues and now teaching differently to get it right.


message 13: by Karen (new)

Karen I'd support you with a "Hell, yeah!" but that seems like too much of a pun here, so I'll go with kudos. That was very well said.


message 14: by Andrew (new)

Andrew I think that you are very wrong when you say that god punishes people with hell. He'll has always been for the devil. If you want to read a differing view on hell, read The Great Divorce.


message 15: by Andrew (new)

Andrew I think that you are very wrong when you say that god punishes people with hell. He'll has always been for the devil. If you want to read a differing view on hell, read The Great Divorce.


message 16: by Kyle (new)

Kyle Liedtke Tim, I am not looking to attack you, rather to ask: You said the Muslim version of hell is much worse. Would you care to give details of it? You have me curious.


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