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message 1: by Cynthia (new)

Cynthia Another wonderful review Karen. Can't wait for her next installment though I still haven't read the first yet :(. I'm slowly getting through 'the plantagenets' which is a behemouth about English kingship (though I think it stops shrot of willy and kate). It's nice to read about it systematically sicne mostly I've pieced things together prior to this.


message 2: by ·Karen· (new)

·Karen· Thanks Cyn, good to hear from you. It's been a while(?)
I love oyur typos: shrot (Schrott) in German means rubbish, scrap. Tee hee.


message 3: by Teresa (last edited Aug 17, 2013 11:40AM) (new)

Teresa No-one to make Cromwell look better than the traditional image we have of him.

Do you mean worse?

Bring up part three!

Yes!

I see you liked the 1st one a star better than this one. I think I did too, though I gave them both 5.


message 4: by ·Karen· (new)

·Karen· No, I think I mean better. Our image of Cromwell is dastardly, ruthless, unscrupulous schemer, is it not? And in Wolf Hall, he came across as much nicer: partly because in comparison with Cranmer, he treated his wife much better, he was, generally quite nice to the ladies. And in this one he was the ruthless schemer, even if he played good cop to Riche. It seemed to me that there were no foils to him, no contrast, like Cranmer who made him appear the better man.

I missed the richness of all the subplotting and all the family stuff in WH. It was richer. Although here the police style interviews with the chosen victims were amazing.


message 5: by Teresa (new)

Teresa ·Karen· wrote: "No, I think I mean better. Our image of Cromwell is dastardly, ruthless, unscrupulous schemer, is it not? And in Wolf Hall, he came across as much nicer: partly because in comparison with Cranmer, ..."

Ah, yes of course, thanks for the explanation.


message 6: by Riku (new)

Riku Sayuj fewer women. that must make it that much worse. eek. (http://www.goodreads.com/review/show/...)


message 7: by Fionnuala (new)

Fionnuala I missed this, Karen, even though I had been curious about what your reaction to it would be. Yes, this book covered a much shorter time period, just one long and bloody hunting season, and, yes, the domestic scenes and the richness of the Wolsley/Cromwell relationship were conspicuous by their absence, and the absence of any similar scenes, but I admired Bring up the Bodies enormously for the skill with which Mantel dramatized this crucial episode in Cromwell's career. As you say he played the good cop but the ultimate sorcery was that he was really the nightmare cop.
Did you notice too that Mantel seemed to have been influenced here by the criticisms of Wolf Hall, especially the one about her use of 'he'. In this book, she adds his name more frequently. I was disappointed to see she had given in to the pressure as the way she handled the 'he' was one of the things I admired most about Wolf Hall. It was such a clever device to keep the reader on her toes and more importantly, to subtly turn a third person narrative into a first person narrative. Sorcery in deed.


message 8: by Elena (new)

Elena Yes, I like the manipulation of the narrative voice..not through yet, not used to Brit Lit...


message 9: by Mike (new)

Mike Warble Cromwell is a "go with the flow" cop. The underlying aspects of "good" and "evil"are just various lenses for survival.


message 10: by Lyn (new)

Lyn Elliott I'm not surprised she appears to be stuck on Volume 3. In a way I wouldn't be surprised if she can't finish it; it can't be good for her mental health to be so engaged in the mind of Cromwell for all these years.


message 11: by ·Karen· (new)

·Karen· Yes, Lyn, and I had a bit of a hunt round the internet. I think she got waylaid by work on the play and the TV series.


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