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message 1: by Karis (new)

Karis Love your review, Allison! <3


message 2: by Allison (new)

Allison Tebo Karis wrote: "Love your review, Allison! <3"

Thanks, Karis! It suddenly popped into my head - haha.


message 3: by m a r y l i z (new)

m a r y l i z Your review is PERFECT!! I love it so much, haha!


message 4: by Mary (last edited Jan 31, 2019 08:31AM) (new)

Mary Awesome review. :D

I CALLED IT!!! The blurb sounded like so much fun - which is another thing, cause the humor wasn't well-executed - but when I thought about it, i could tell it sounded super feminist. And I knew it would bug you. ;)

I am ALL for girls branching out and being themselves and doing what they love - whatever that might be - but can we PLEASE avoid the tired cliches and restrictive molds on BOTH extremes of the scale?? It doesn't have to be one of two things - girls have more to choose from, and they can be unique, not in one of two certain molds. You can be a strong female and still be feminine! (Honestly, that's the only way.) And femininity does not equal embroidery and ruffled dresses.


message 5: by Allison (new)

Allison Tebo m a r y l i z wrote: "Your review is PERFECT!! I love it so much, haha!"

LOL - thank you!


message 6: by Allison (new)

Allison Tebo Mary wrote: "Awesome review. :D

I CALLED IT!!! The blurb sounded like so much fun - which is another thing, cause the humor wasn't well-executed - but when I thought about it, i could tell it sounded super fem..."


Haha - thank you!

YOU CALLED IT. Right on the money, honey. Again, you know me. :P

*bangs fist* Preach. We've only see this trope a billion times - please, we get the point.

If girls want to caterwaul about something, why not caterwaul about the fact that there are so very few layered REAL girl characters out there - all we have are tropes that keep banging the same old drum over and over.

And this was a fantasy world, so it's not like the authoress had to be historically accurate or portray a restrictive society.

And I hate to break those to you folks, but I wear dress - have an inclination for kickboxing. I love to embroider and I love to play war games. I wear dresses and skirts because I love them, and I also used to climb trees.

Where is my representation? Haha!


message 7: by Mary (new)

Mary Allison wrote: "Mary wrote: "Awesome review. :D

I CALLED IT!!! The blurb sounded like so much fun - which is another thing, cause the humor wasn't well-executed - but when I thought about it, i could tell it soun..."


XD Thanks, heehee!!

Yessss!!!

YESSSSS!!! This character archetype is a really tired old shell or facade of a character, not really a character at all. It's for the purpose of sending an overused message, and it doesn't succeed in being truly inspiring to young girls - because what they need to look up to are female characters who are unique and individual and human. Not just the same old fake cookie-cutter cardboard cutout.

YES!!! Each of us is different and unique! There's no one else with that specific combination that is you. Both my sisters and I have the same thing going on - a totally unique, individual combination of things that are seen as girly and not girly at all.

My older sister likes to look cute and to dress up sometimes, but she wears a practical police uniform and a gun every night to work as a police officer. She trains Brazilian jiu-jitsu with fierce, warlike dedication, and she also achieved a high level of skill in classical violin. I love engaging in amateur research in both medieval weaponry and historical fashion, both of which I adore. I have many, many other loves that are both typically girly and totally not, and the same is true of my sisters and most girls i know. I've been acquainted with multiple girls who are proud of their ability to climb trees wearing skirts, faster than someone in trousers. I and many of my friends love to swordfight with the boys - and beat them. And on and on - so many seemingly opposing things.

A few girls prefer only a few girly things, and some girls prefer mostly VERY girly things - but they should be allowed to choose whatever they want - and most girls i know are a mix. Girly-ness is not the point. It doesn't matter whether things are girly. Girls should be able to choose what THEY love, without being looked down upon for liking sewing OR liking weapons.

Yes, exactly!!


message 8: by Katie (new)

Katie  Hanna I agree with both of y'all--the thing that makes me the MOST angry is simply the fact that REAL WOMEN are so rarely represented in stories and it's just these few cardboard archetypes over and over and over and overrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr. No nuance. No variety.

I recently watched a great YouTube video that made me think of our discussions on this subject . . . because the video was talking about how we write women characters from archetypes and not from life; and there are so few female archetypes to begin with that it gets super boring super fast.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZLVwE...


message 9: by Katie (new)

Katie  Hanna [Also, Alli, your piratical dialogue made me laugh :D]


message 10: by Mary (last edited Jan 31, 2019 09:28AM) (new)

Mary It's great to hear that you agree, Katie! It's so FRUSTRATING. And sad. Exactly. And I think many of the feminists are just as guilty of that. What we need is human, real, individual characters.

Huh, that sounds fascinating!! I want to watch it! Yes, exactly!!!

(And haha, I figured you would read these comments, and wondered if you'd join in, cause i was curious to hear your thoughts!) :D


message 11: by Allison (last edited Jan 31, 2019 09:28AM) (new)

Allison Tebo Mary wrote: "Allison wrote: "Mary wrote: "Awesome review. :D

I CALLED IT!!! The blurb sounded like so much fun - which is another thing, cause the humor wasn't well-executed - but when I thought about it, i co..."


I AGREE. Your first paragraph, VERY WELL PUT, MARY.

And those differences are what makes each of you a beautiful and unique PERSON!! <3

And yes, it's actually doing exactly what they say they're not doing (being hard on girls) by mocking someone for liking embroidery or dresses!


message 12: by Allison (new)

Allison Tebo Katie wrote: "[Also, Alli, your piratical dialogue made me laugh :D]"

LOL - thank you! :P


message 13: by Allison (last edited Jan 31, 2019 09:30AM) (new)

Allison Tebo Katie wrote: "I agree with both of y'all--the thing that makes me the MOST angry is simply the fact that REAL WOMEN are so rarely represented in stories and it's just these few cardboard archetypes over and over..."

I know - it's so annoying and it's TRUE!! The majority of books and movies write female characters based off tropes, not real people.

Oh, I can't wait to watch the video!


message 14: by Katie (new)

Katie  Hanna Mary wrote: "It's great to hear that you agree, Katie! It's so FRUSTRATING. And sad. Exactly. And I think many of the feminists are just as guilty of that. What we need is human, real, individual characters.

..."


Yes. Absolutely. If you write a "strong female character" who's ACTUALLY just a male character archetype magically turned female, then that's, like, lazy writing. (As the video says, much more eloquently ;-) )

And this is not to say there aren't women who behave in very masculine ways in real life, but the key there is REAL LIFE, not archetypes. Writers need to start paying attention the girls they actually know, and to all the lovely variety they bring.


message 15: by Katie (new)

Katie  Hanna Allison wrote: "Katie wrote: "I agree with both of y'all--the thing that makes me the MOST angry is simply the fact that REAL WOMEN are so rarely represented in stories and it's just these few cardboard archetypes..."

I think you'll enjoy it very much :D


message 16: by Mary (new)

Mary Allison wrote: "Mary wrote: "Allison wrote: "Mary wrote: "Awesome review. :D

I CALLED IT!!! The blurb sounded like so much fun - which is another thing, cause the humor wasn't well-executed - but when I thought a..."


Thank you, my dear! :))).

Yes, exactly!!! I agree with both your points, completely! Being free to choose, and not be looked down upon for whatever that choice is, is the point.


message 17: by Mary (new)

Mary Katie wrote: "Mary wrote: "It's great to hear that you agree, Katie! It's so FRUSTRATING. And sad. Exactly. And I think many of the feminists are just as guilty of that. What we need is human, real, individual c..."

YES YES YES!!!! We don't want females who are strong in a manly way. At least, I don't. (I know some people disagree.) It's each girl's unique, womanly strength that counts, not fitting into a male mold. That looks different for every girl. But it doesn't look exactly like a guy, for most girls, and certainly not for all girls.

Yes, well said! For some girls, it looks more like what people think of as masculine. Like my sister vs. me - she's very feminine, but in some ways she's much more masculine than I am, in the way she thinks, or what she enjoys. But it's important that it's natural for each girl, not something put on that doesn't fit. Like you said, there's variety. There's not one proper way to be female, and both sides who say that are wrong.

I can't wait to watch it, too!


message 18: by Katie (new)

Katie  Hanna Mary wrote: "Katie wrote: "Mary wrote: "It's great to hear that you agree, Katie! It's so FRUSTRATING. And sad. Exactly. And I think many of the feminists are just as guilty of that. What we need is human, real..."

I'll be honest: I have a terrible time distinguishing between masculine behavior & feminine behavior in real life. Because the men and women I know don't seem to fit any reliably discernible patterns, at least, not to my brain. There's just . . . there's just . . . so much variety . . . *collapses at the effort of categorizing it all and mumbles senseless gibberish*

But I sure as heck know what a male ARCHETYPE is, and I don't think female characters should be compelled to fit into that box!!! I don't think male characters should be compelled to fit in there, either. ;-)


message 19: by Allison (new)

Allison Tebo While males and females do have fundamental masculine and female traits / reactions, etc - there is still a WORLD of variety within those fundamental traits for both men and women.

I'm actually working on some short stories for Cynthia, Poppy, and Ella that I'm really excited about, because, even though they are kind of classic character, I'm getting to delve into their minds and motivations (and secret fears for Cynthia!) more.


message 20: by Mary (new)

Mary Yes, definitely.

It's about ways of thinking as well as acting, but some males and females naturally break the mold of typical ways most people of their gender think and behave. But even for what's "typical," there is no one average or usual mold, cause each person is so unique.

AHHHHHHHH, I'm so excited for them TOO!!!! Can't wait!!! I told you to write Poppy's, but I don't think I knew about Ella's and Cynthia's, and I CAN'T WAIT!!! Delving deep is so fun to write and read. Can't wait to get to know Cynthia better in that way.

Yes, each of your girls is so different, even though they're all feminine. I'm so much like Poppy, but I have traits of Ella and Cynthia (e.g. the compassion of Ella, or the practicality, smarts, and medical/scientific mind of Cynthia). And you know I like reading about characters i can identify with, though of course i enjoy them just as much overall when I don't.


message 21: by Allison (new)

Allison Tebo Mary wrote: "Yes, definitely.

It's about ways of thinking as well as acting, but some males and females naturally break the mold of typical ways most people of their gender think and behave. But even for what..."


*nods*

YES, YOU were the inspiration for Poppy's story!!! <3

They're a bit different from the regular stories (perhaps a tad more serious) but I'm excited!

I definitely see those in you, my dear. <3 Ah, yes - it's rare for me to identify with characters - but I do I identity, perhaps a tad more with mine - probably the most with Colin - haha.


message 22: by Katie (new)

Katie  Hanna Allison wrote: "While males and females do have fundamental masculine and female traits / reactions, etc - there is still a WORLD of variety within those fundamental traits for both men and women.

I'm actually w..."


I'm really excited about those stories, Alli!!!! I love each of your female characters and how unique & complex they are <3

I honestly DON'T KNOW how feminine [or not!] my own female characters are, so I'm real curious to see you guys' reaction to them ;-) ;-) I have a feeling you'll like them, though!

(Except my villain-ess. You won't like HER. Nobody likes her. She's terrible. :-P)


message 23: by Allison (new)

Allison Tebo Katie wrote: "Allison wrote: "While males and females do have fundamental masculine and female traits / reactions, etc - there is still a WORLD of variety within those fundamental traits for both men and women. ..."

Aww, thank you, Katie!! <3

I have a feeling I will, too!!! *claps hands*

HAHA - but maybe we love to hate her??


message 24: by Katie (new)

Katie  Hanna @Alli--Lol!!! I bet you'll love to hate her! She's very hate-able *grins*


message 25: by Allison (new)

Allison Tebo @Katie - HEHE!! *rubs hands together*


message 26: by Mary (new)

Mary Allison wrote: "Mary wrote: "Yes, definitely.

It's about ways of thinking as well as acting, but some males and females naturally break the mold of typical ways most people of their gender think and behave. But ..."


Awww!! :))) <3 Well, YOU made up her backstory, but it was so compelling that I wanted to read it as a fleshed-out tale of its own!

I don't mind that they're more serious!! I actually think that's really cool. :D

Thank you. :))) Hahaha, YES, you're a lot like Colin, and I love you both for it! But with Burndee's magical baking skills. ;)


message 27: by Mary (new)

Mary Katie wrote: "Allison wrote: "While males and females do have fundamental masculine and female traits / reactions, etc - there is still a WORLD of variety within those fundamental traits for both men and women. ..."

I'm so curious to read them, too!! Probably when I'm less sensitive and can handle intensity again, which isn't soon. But someday! I love everything I've seen and heard about your writing! And your fabulous excerpts. :D (Except perhaps the monsters in the Wild West one, heehee!)

Oh, that's a given about your villainess. :) But even if I hate feelings, I really appreciate and admire and like the writing and character of the ones that cause such passion, haha!


message 28: by Katie (new)

Katie  Hanna Mary wrote: "Katie wrote: "Allison wrote: "While males and females do have fundamental masculine and female traits / reactions, etc - there is still a WORLD of variety within those fundamental traits for both m..."

*hugs* I can't wait for you to read them! Although I WILL wait patiently, of course. ;-)


message 29: by Mary (new)

Mary Katie wrote: "Mary wrote: "Katie wrote: "Allison wrote: "While males and females do have fundamental masculine and female traits / reactions, etc - there is still a WORLD of variety within those fundamental trai..."

:)))


message 30: by Allison (new)

Allison Tebo Mary wrote: "Allison wrote: "Mary wrote: "Yes, definitely.

It's about ways of thinking as well as acting, but some males and females naturally break the mold of typical ways most people of their gender think ..."


Aww, thank you!! <3


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