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message 2: by Karen (new)

Karen Ugh! Sounds like a thoroughly revolting, definite must-miss! Thanks for the warning!

message 3: by Therese (new)

Therese  Thank you for reviewing this book, so i don't get tempted to read it.

message 4: by Japunkt (new)

Japunkt Ugh, the boob thing. I think I may need to downgrade my rating. I just couldn't get past how there was a secret government agency and an exposé blog and absolutely nothing was done with them.

message 5: by Eva (new)

Eva Yes! Thank you for that review! Agree with all your points! Just couldn't understand why this book received so many enthusiastic reviews, especially with such blatant misogyny.

message 6: by Darcie (last edited Jul 01, 2016 09:33AM) (new)

Darcie I want to thank you for commenting on the misogyny apparent in this book! No one in it, especially the author, truly respects women or sees them as "valuable" as men outside of appearance. The only real descriptions of women are of appearances, and frankly, I find all the little comments that show how little respect he gives women everywhere so frustrating. There are things I like about the concept but the execution is making it difficult to get to, and decide how to rate it.

Did you notice how the only guy that truly gets along with a woman (Matt and Jocelyn) is assumed gay? Or how Matt's moody and that makes him like the girls he hangs out with?

What I can't stand is all the comments on foreheads. I seriously can't believe that he actually included how a character thinks about how women with large foreheads who don't do enough to cover them up aren't worth listening to, or women with decent foreheads and "nice tits" are worth having around, MULTIPLE times.

And the obsession with nipples and sexual violence is too much.

I really wonder if all of this was in the original (I'm sure it is, because it doesn't read as solely the characters thoughts, but of the writers, because of all the small, subtle comments that equate to women being only good for their looks, and how easily and casually men can be perpetrators of sexual violence). Sometimes, it's easy to see how much is the author and how much is the characters, but honestly, I'm not seeing much difference beside some characters thinking about certain things more. I could *maaaybe* see him having this town filled with misogynists because the main ' villan' is a woman, but...that's a huge stretch, in my opinion. I think he doesn't really notice exactly how misogynistic this book is.

I still have a bit more than 100 pages to go, but I just needed to vent about these issues, and I'm glad you noticed them, too. Like you said, I'm surprised it got so many great reviews early on, and even more surprised compared to the books I'd been reading written by guys with great women narrators and characters (notably Head Full of Ghosts (amazing) and I'm Thinking of Ending Things(though I didn't like it)).

message 7: by Carey (new)

Carey Thanks Darcie fr your response. The high ratings for this book are really perplexing. I did notice all of the points you mentioned about women. The forehead thing was so weird! Maybe the author was trying to be humorous? It was just weird though. Also, I did read Head Full of Ghosts and enjoyed it. I have I'm Thinking of Ending Things but have not gotten to it yet. I'm also a fan of Bird Box by Josh Mallerman for having a great female protagonist.

message 8: by Carrie (new)

Carrie I think your review is fantastic, but just wished you would have added a spoiler alert to it. :(

message 9: by Jamie (new)

Jamie (ReadsinTrees) Dacyczyn I quit after chapter I'm extra glad I did.

message 10: by Bria (new)

Bria Absolutely awesome review. Its so sad and somewhat comical that this author actually thought this plotline would make a great novel. Not going to read this one...

message 11: by Rhomany (new)

Rhomany The archaic views of women and their oppression through sexuality was used as a metaphor to show how little had really changed in 300 years. It foreshadowed the end with our final view of the man finally becoming the witch, and the actions of the townsfolk, not the actual 'witch' being the real evil. Witch hunts in all respects are inherently mysogynictic; when was the last time guy was burnt at the stage for witchcraft? What exactly dif you expect? I thought he did exceptionally well to show how easily things we now think of as horrific, abuse of eomen snf childrrn included, so easily slide back into reality once our status quo shifts.
It's all about perception. And the true horror of Black Spring was that they all thought this entirely 'normal' given the situation.

message 12: by Eva (new)

Eva Rhomany wrote: "The archaic views of women and their oppression through sexuality was used as a metaphor to show how little had really changed in 300 years. It foreshadowed the end with our final view of the man f..."
Sure, I agree with you up to a certain point: the author wants to drive home how much we are all beasts underneath a thin layer of civilization and how the town's folk handling of the situation isn't any better than that of their ancestors. But the misogyny in the book stems from the author's protrayal of the female characters and not from using a witch (hunt) as a plot device.
There is not one positive female character in the book and none of them go beyond being mere stereotypes or even caricatures. Could he have shown the "archaic views of women and their oppression" as well by writing proper female characters? Of course! Why did they have to be either fat and dumb or just mere sex objects or a bland housewife with no personality of her own? (And apparently none of them managed to raise boys that respect women.)
So, no I'm not buying the misogyny as a metaphor trick. In fact I think this would have only worked by including a proper female character.

message 13: by Carey (new)

Carey Eva wrote: "Rhomany wrote: "The archaic views of women and their oppression through sexuality was used as a metaphor to show how little had really changed in 300 years. It foreshadowed the end with our final v..."

Agreed. This wasn't satire or irony. It read as straight up misogyny.

message 14: by Pineapple (new)

Pineapple If you want to experience the extra special level of misogyny then listen to the audiobook! Who knew that someone out there assumed that all women sound like spoof valley girls?!?

message 15: by Spinwallah (new)

Spinwallah brilliant review. ghastly book

message 16: by Jamie (new)

Jamie so glad someone else noticed the blatant misogyny... i am on chapter 7 and was hoping it would get better but that is obviously not the case. from the middle aged man thinking about his teenaged son's "pert" girlfriend to the new yorker wife whose brains were fried from tanning .... so gross. did you also notice the frequent use of autism as derogatory? at least twice when i was less than 1/4 through the book. not picking this back up.

message 17: by kat (new)

kat Thanks for the warning...!

message 18: by CS (new)

CS When I finished reading this book I was just baffled and immediately looked for people who were making sense. So many people recommended this to me and it was just, awful, so I'm glad there are so many people who honestly read the same book as me, and thought "what the hell"

message 19: by Andrew (new)

Andrew Sydlik Yikes! Thanks for the review. I was considering reading this since it's being read for the Bloody Good Horror Book club, and has gotten great reviews, but I think I'll pass. I don't expect horror to include super-nuanced characterization or to be totally devoid of sexism (not things the genre is known for), but it sounds like this book is pretty egregious.

message 20: by Jesse (new)

Jesse Awful review. Great book.

message 21: by Tracy (new)

Tracy Gripped from the first line

message 22: by Dale (new)

Dale Zawada I feel you missed the point with certain aspects.

message 23: by Erin (new)

Erin Weigel I found this book to be deeply layered--questioning the complex nature of humanity and evil. It also had a lot of gender and sexuality commentary in the mix as well. Depending on how you interpret it, it could seem blatantly misogynistic or as I read it, there are no clear cut victims or "good" people in the whole book. They're all monsters in their own way. I completely understand where you're coming from, but I got something different out of it, in spite of the (what I presume to be the...) intentionally misogynistic overtones.

I challenge you to approach it from multiple perspectives, also from an historical and cultural standpoint. Remember the original cultural context of book is a small town in The Netherlands. I think some of the exaggerated dark humor of the Dutch may be easily lost in translation, so the message gets lost. I've lived as an immigrant in NL for the past number of years, so perhaps the weirdness of the culture rubbed off on how I read this. ;)

My challenge and question to any other feminist readers out there (myself as a feminist included!) who may find themselves being quickly offended or tired of this book: How would you approach this content differently if perhaps it had been written by a woman?

Thanks for the lovely, thoughtful review by the way. It also helped me see it from a different viewpoint! Now I want to get to the bottom of his intentions in writing this. My perspective might change. :) Cheers...

message 24: by Carey (new)

Carey Erin, I really appreciate this thoughtful and kind response. I've wondered how much of this story was lost in translation. I wouldn't have even picked it up if I didn't think the concept sounded great.

message 25: by Melissa (new)

Melissa Thank you for your review. Someone wrote they were 20 minutes into it and were always freaked out, so I looked. I love to be scared. But not horrified. I'll be skipping this one entirely.

message 26: by Paul (new)

Paul Harding Reviewer misses the point. Characters (including the voice) don't have to be perfect, they are characters. Your Righteous outrage is better placed in real life. Misogyny doesn't stop existing if you ban it from fiction, try not to make the old mistake of blaming unpleasant characters on the author and wishing they were gone. "I wish that the shark in Jaws had been nicer!"

And the boob tower that so upset you, was a hallucination in the mind of a character who was mentally destroyed by his own actions. If it made you feel upset, then that is good writing, not bad, as the author is clearly trying to portray upsetting madness and despair.

message 27: by Carey (new)

Carey Thank you for a thoughtful discussion. However, I wouldn't say that I'm missing the point. No two people read the same book the same way. I'm not going to knock people who liked this book and there is a lot of dark fiction with reprehensible characters that I enjoy quite a bit. But the above review is what I got out of this book. Other people will get other things. And I usually agree that eliciting emotion (good and bad) is the mark of a good story. The Road, for example, horrified me, but it's a piece of excellent writing. This was... not The Road.

message 28: by Amy (new)

Amy I am glad I have not rec'd this to MY book club! (It would have been my third strike!) You are a martyr for finishing!

message 29: by Carey (new)

Carey Amy wrote: "I am glad I have not rec'd this to MY book club! (It would have been my third strike!) You are a martyr for finishing!"

I think part of my anger at this book is that the premise is *so* good. This is a book I bought and would have recommended to book club sight unseen and am also glad that I did not.

message 30: by Rebecca (new)

Rebecca Meadows I mean I feel like that was the point of the book, the witch hunts were misogynistic and in my opinion, the point of this was to show that people haven't changed and they still treated this woman and other women like absolute shit even after 350 years. And that it was the people that were evil, not the witch. As a feminist myself, I thought it had relevant social commentary.

message 31: by Afke (new)

Afke Wow kinda sad to read that they changed so much. I've read the book in Dutch and there it isn't mysogynistic.

message 32: by Carey (new)

Carey Afke wrote: "Wow kinda sad to read that they changed so much. I've read the book in Dutch and there it isn't mysogynistic."

Ooh I want to know how it's different! I also want to know the Dutch ending!!

message 33: by Scott (new)

Scott I'm sorry, but no. Nothing about it was mysogynistic.

message 34: by Patty (new)

Patty Schorsch I too didn't detect any misogyny in the book. At least I wasn't thinking that the author was objectifying or demeaning women. The people seemed real with real faults. The situation and towns reactions to events seemed like a realistic depiction of mob mentality. Especially as you stated, SPOILER
It turns out the witch wasn't the cause of evil. It seems the author is saying the exact opposite of misogyny. That society has wrongly accused women of being the source of evil. That the town has paid for that mistake for 400 years. And now it is all flipped on end and a man will now be that symbol.

message 35: by Hanako (new)

Hanako thanks for dissuading me, I think I'll skip this one!

message 36: by Betsy (new)

Betsy Barone I actually really enjoyed the book. And I do think the "moral" of the story was that the witch wasn't the evil imprisoning the townsfolk; the evil was the townsfolk. Just as it was 600 years prior when they tortured and killed the witch. I do see your point though.

message 37: by Carr (new)

Carr LOL

message 38: by Rachele (new)

Rachele I was wondering if I was the weird one for being bothered by all the boob business! Your review perfectly sums up my feelings about this book thusfar and makes me feel a little better about tossing it into the unfinished pile! Sucks, I wanted to like this book.

message 39: by Ananova (new)

Ananova This review is from the point of a "safe space", "anything I dislike is racist" - social justice warrior POV ...that was clear within your first few points...

Saying his favorite son isn't the gay say it in a way where you knew that's why the author didn't choose him as the favorite son. Give me a break...people like you go through life demanding that everyone walk on egg shells to spare your feelings...NEWS FLASH! This was a HORROR NOVEL...ABOUT A F#*%ing WITCH!!! Would you have felt better if the Witch ended up being a lesbian, and went on a killing rampage to only take revenge on all the straight white males in the town!? Go back to your fantasy novels, ya kook.

message 40: by Carey (new)

Carey Nova wrote: "This review is from the point of a "safe space", "anything I dislike is racist" - social justice warrior POV ...that was clear within your first few points...

Saying his favorite son isn't the gay..."

I'm not going to justify my review to you. But, no one forced you to read it and since you so completely dislike it, and it clearly causes you so much distress, perhaps you should have simply ignored it. I hope you have a wonderful day. You seem like an entirely delightful person.

message 41: by Sharon (new)

Sharon Grutsch Could ya have warned me about spoilers here?? 😉

message 42: by Andrew (new)

Andrew F There is no misogyny in this book. Reviewer is just engaging in masturbatory virtue signalling.

message 43: by Carey (new)

Carey Andrew wrote: "There is no misogyny in this book. Reviewer is just engaging in masturbatory virtue signalling."

Aw, congrats on using some big words, Andrew! I'm sure you feel super smart now! You get a gold star!

message 44: by John (new)

John D This author has a very unhealthy obsession with nipples.

message 45: by Carey (new)

Carey John wrote: "This author has a very unhealthy obsession with nipples."

Even without all of the other weird stuff, the nipple thing made me wonder if the author had some issues.

message 46: by Leslie (new)

Leslie Calambro Great review and expressed my feelings exactly. Had to read it for a book club. Wish I hadn't wasted so much time and so much money on this POS.

message 47: by Diana (new)

Diana Ugh, right there with you. I feel like many of the ideas in the book were great, but the execution was just an enormous clusterfuck of nipple torture porn. :P

Moon Shine Art Spot ~ Lisa Because of all these posts I absolutely have to read this book ! Read a sample before it's release date & have listened to a sample today (immediately disliked the character talking by the way).

Reminds me of the audio book Best Day Ever I listened to recently. I believe the listener (reader) is suppose to DISLIKE the character & his tone in both the ebook & the audio version accomplished this in Best Day Ever.

I am considering that the author in Hex is intentionally leaving the characters open to dislike just from the sample I read before it's release date and the comments I am seeing in reviews.

Definitely reading this !! Lol.

message 49: by Becca (new)

Becca Cordle I am so happy I didn’t spend money on this book. I got it from the library. I enjoy weird, like Stephen king or joe hill.. but this was garbage. Your review is hilarious

message 50: by Rayna (new)

Rayna I just finished this book and thank god for your review--it really WASN'T just me! I thought I was getting slow burn horror but instead got a road to nowhere. Thanks for pointing out the misogyny and tropes--you said exactly what I didn't know I wanted to say myself.

PS--And the boob stuff...???!!!!!

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