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message 1: by snowplum (new)

snowplum You've been reading a lot of books lately that I haven't encountered, so I haven't had anything profound to say. Very helpful reviews though. :)


message 2: by Feminista (new)

Feminista Nalini Singh has a tendency to create female protagonists who are virgins or have very little experience. She also has a tendency to write the complete opposite for her male characters.

I can name only 3 female characters from her Archangel series and the Psy-Changeling series who weren't virgins and similarly, I can name only about 2 male characters who were virgins.

It gets a little old after a while.


message 3: by Jazzmin (new)

Jazzmin OMG. SAME FEELS FOR THE BOOK. As much as I love Nalini, I just can't for this book and for the way Nalini writes 3


message 4: by Choko (new)

Choko Ferdy:" The way the main male characters were portrayed was kind of ridiculous. They were all so amazing and unique in some way or another,..."

Hahaha:) I have been reading series of books lately, where the main male characters are ooh-sooo-perfect and in such a similar way, that I am getting sick and tired of all that! There has to be a balance in all of our books of some normal and some extraordinary characters! And how is it that all those amazing males fall for all those virgin, unremarkable females, who just never realize their own appeal? But i guess, that is why we call it fiction:):):)
Thanks for the great review once again:)


message 5: by Ferdy (new)

Ferdy Choko wrote: " There has to be a balance in all of our books of some normal and some extraordinary characters! "

EXACTLY. Everyone can't be wonderfully snowflakey in some way or another, there needs to normal, everyday characters and then the odd snowflake here and there. That's the snowflake way!

LOL, IDK why so many slutty heroes would fall for virgins. It's so unrealistic, men like that in real life prefer women just like them to keep them on their toes. There's fantasy, then there's just ridiculousness.

Jazzmin wrote: "OMG. SAME FEELS FOR THE BOOK. As much as I love Nalini, I just can't for this book and for the way Nalini writes 3"

I'm so glad someone else feels the same way! I usually love Nalini but her writing and characters/romances are beginning to grate. It's like she's just releasing the same book over and over, the hero/heroines/romances are that bloody similar.

Feminista wrote: "Nalini Singh has a tendency to create female protagonists who are virgins or have very little experience. She also has a tendency to write the complete opposite for her male characters."

Yea, I'm getting really tired of it. A couple of virgin heroes doesn't make up for all the virgin/celibate/near virgin heroines in her series.

Why do PNR/UF authors always have the same type of heroine? It's so boring. What's wrong with a very experienced heroine or a heroine that's not so hoiler than thou?!

snowplum wrote: "You've been reading a lot of books lately that I haven't encountered, so I haven't had anything profound to say. Very helpful reviews though. :)"

I'm trying to be more varied in my reading but it's not working, I keep going back to UF/PNR, even though I'm always complaining about it :P
LOL, I never have anything profound to say even on reviews of books I've read!:D


message 6: by Darkphoenix (new)

Darkphoenix I agree about Ashwini, I was waiting for some horrible reveal (especially with the way she had going on about it) and the big reveal was so anticlimactic. She was a very average heroine..


message 7: by Ferdy (new)

Ferdy Darkphoenix wrote: "I agree about Ashwini, I was waiting for some horrible reveal (especially with the way she had going on about it) and the big reveal was so anticlimactic. She was a very average heroine.."

IKR, it was such a let down. She was so melodramatic about it all, I was expecting something shocking and exciting, but it was the same old tragic family issues. Bleh, all the tragic family rubbish these heroines have don't make them interesting.


message 8: by Roksana (new)

Roksana I always debate to read this author...but I am not a fun of virgin versus manhore hero and it seems she does that frequently..I may try Archangel's blood though in some future....


message 9: by Ferdy (new)

Ferdy Roksana wrote: "I always debate to read this author...but I am not a fun of virgin versus manhore hero and it seems she does that frequently..I may try Archangel's blood though in some future...."

Singh isn't as bad as some PNR authors but she still has loads of virgin/near virgin heroines and manwhores in her stories.
Her Archangel series mainly features one couple so there's not as many instances of virgin/manwhores compared to her psy/changeling series.
I do still like her series overall though, the worlds she writes are addictive and the side characters are usually great (well, until they turn into MC's which is when they become quite cliched).


message 10: by Abra (new)

Abra You hit on all the points that annoyed me about this book. It was nice to see the language mentioned. It made me nuts. The flowery language seemed worse in the first half of the book (or maybe I just got used to it): "The covetous wind pushed strands of the obsidian silk that was his hair across his cheek." "I drank in the knowledge they shared as if it were rain and my soul a thirsty plain." Not all her books are like this so I guess she tailors her style to the characters in the story. The language and tone of this book reminded me of my least favorite book of the series, which was Dmitri's book. Every moment was significant, every emotion overblown.

I, too, am sick of characters who consider themselves damaged. Those people are annoying in real life and I wish Nalini Singh's books didn't feature so many of them. Everybody has a story in their life - move on.


message 11: by Ferdy (new)

Ferdy Abra wrote: "You hit on all the points that annoyed me about this book. It was nice to see the language mentioned. It made me nuts. The flowery language seemed worse in the first half of the book (or maybe I ju..."

For me the language throughout was really flowery, it was just easier to read the more I read.

Those quotes just show how ridiculously over-the-top the language was. Like you said, it was trying too hard to make every moment/feeling significant and special.
Her writing has definitely become worse, she needs to tone down making every character/romance so sexy and epic, it just does the opposite.

I've never liked Dmitri's character, he was just too sexy and too powerful and too much of everything. The character is an utter joke, he doesn't reflect reality in the slightest. There's nothing wrong with adding some normalcy into the heroes, Janvier is the only one so far who has been somewhat normal. I think he could have been a great character if he hadn't been stuck with dull Mary Sue Ashwini and instead been paired up with an interesting heroine.

A lot of authors seem to think giving characters a tragic past gives them a complex/deep personality. It doesn't. What exactly was Ash's personality? All that was too her was her rubbish family and her being best buds with other Guild Hunters and her hating people that did bad things. Where was the depth? Maybe, if Nalini concentrated on building personalities for her characters instead of giving them tortured pasts they'd actually be interesting and engaging.


Ivie ✩Born to Magic-Forced to Muggle✩ so true, it took me 3 days to finish it. bored out of my mind...


message 13: by Sarah Mac (new)

Sarah Mac I also hated that Ash was a virgin, it didn't fit with her character from earlier books, and it just made the romance extra cheesy.

This. Yeah, I've got no issue with virgin heroines...I just hate it when they're virgins for no good reason other than it panders to a doofy romance thread. There are plenty of believable set-ups for a virgin heroine, yet some authors don't bother using them because...? Maybe they think they're cliche. But you know what? I'd much prefer a cliched, albeit normal, reason than just wedging it in where a character doesn't fit the virgin type.


message 14: by Ferdy (new)

Ferdy Sarah wrote: "This. Yeah, I've got no issue with virgin heroines...I just hate it when they're virgins for no good reason other than it panders to a doofy romance thread."

It was ridiculous that the heroine was a virgin, the way she was portrayed earlier on didn't add up to her being a virgin. Apparently, touching people made her have visions or some rubbish, so that's why she was a virgin but that was such a lame excuse to me. She was fine around people before but all of sudden she had issues. Ugh, talk about ruining a character.

Ivie wrote: "so true, it took me 3 days to finish it. bored out of my mind..."

I used to fly through Nalini Singh's books, they were so addictive and easy to read. They've become harder to read though, mostly because of the over the top writing style and dull, recycled plots.


Ivie ✩Born to Magic-Forced to Muggle✩ I have seen your review after i posted mine, and honestly you hit the nail on the head, i think that she is skirting with the whole otherness of the angels and vampires in a way that leaves little room for a joke or good humor. To me, personally it would have a bigger effect if the sweet, flowered speech was left for the angels and the vamps, and not being spread around everybody so evenhandedly; one more thing that is starting to grate on my nerves is the sheer over-passionate attack of morality that follows the cast. In one sense she speaks of the people who give themselves to the vampires as food as these poor, misguided souls that need saving, the vampires that use them are branded as bastards, then manages to sound not so self-righteous by adding a small bump-up to the free choice of it all. The cast would be more believable if they weren't so black and white, and allow everybody else to come to their own conclusions. There were moments when i simply wanted to roll my eyes at Ash and shout - for god's sake, grow up!


message 16: by Sarah Mac (new)

Sarah Mac Sounds like a poorly planned character arc. If that was the way the author wanted to take this heroine, she needed to be awkward/skittish/no-touchy-feely/whatever long before this book. You can't just introduce that kind of plotting deus-ex-machina stuff without prior warning, otherwise it doesn't ring true.


message 17: by Abra (last edited Nov 06, 2014 07:16PM) (new)

Abra Ferdy wrote: "Her writing has definitely become worse, she needs to tone down making every character/romance so sexy and epic, it just does the opposite. "

Nalini Singh's writing can be so much better than this. There is a line in Slave to Sensation when Sascha is deteriorating and she realizes "she'd been guilty of participating in her own deception". That idea is so applicable to real life and has stayed with me ever since.


message 18: by Ferdy (new)

Ferdy Abra wrote: "Nalini Singh's writing can be so much better than this. "

Yea, it's like NS has given up on writing well constructed and meaningful sentences favour of embellished, meaningless prose. It's like she can't write a sentence without adding melodrama/exaggeration or some pointless adjectives of some sort. She did that in Slave to Sensation as well but it didn't take over the prose or the story. It was a lot more toned down.

Sarah wrote: "Sounds like a poorly planned character arc. If that was the way the author wanted to take this heroine, she needed to be awkward/skittish/no-touchy-feely/whatever long before this book. You can't..."

Exactly, instead she was portrayed as confident and friendly, she was close to all her friends and helped them through all sorts. And she was cool with touching/fighting various vampires. It didn't add up.

Ivie wrote: "I have seen your review after i posted mine, and honestly you hit the nail on the head, i think that she is skirting with the whole otherness of the angels and vampires in a way that leaves little ..."

I agree, the flowery speech should be reserved for the vamps/angels, it would make them stand out more and give them that extra otherness. I think the younger vamps/angels should speak normally though since they still see themselves as young and carefree compared to the older vamps/angels.

I'm with you about the heavy handed morality the MC's have, Ash especially was quite bad. And yea, I noticed that Ash would be condemning evul vamps and feeling sorry for the victims in one sentence, only to get on her high horse and look down at the humans by saying it was their own choice and more or less calling them weak and foolish.
It made her seem like a stuck up, judgemental Mary Sue. There we no shades of grey or subtlety - vampires were evil, the humans were victims but it was their own fault for being stupid. It was written in such shallow way and it made Ash seem juvenile, and it was almost like Nalini Singh was talking down to readers through Ash.


message 19: by T00zday (new)

T00zday I found it slow & disappoint ing too. The only saving I found in it were the few scenes w Ellie and Raphael. Otherwise...I hope this doesn't signal the end is neigh.


message 20: by Ferdy (new)

Ferdy T00zday wrote: "I found it slow & disappoint ing too. The only saving I found in it were the few scenes w Ellie and Raphael. Otherwise...I hope this doesn't signal the end is neigh."

Yea, I was surprised to like the Ellie/Raph scenes so much because I was beginning to go off them. I guess dull Ash was so dull she was even able to make Ellie/Raph interesting again. I hope the next book is better than this one, I want another Heart of Obsidian (even tho that's a different series) again.


message 21: by Abra (last edited Nov 08, 2014 11:16AM) (new)

Abra Ferdy wrote: "I hope the next book is better than this one, I want another Heart of Obsidian (even tho that's a different series) again. "

Heart of Obsidian was really, really good and I think it was book 12. That and the book about Mercy and Riley are my favorites. Either both characters were virgins or both were not with no discussion of a sexual past for Mercy or Riley. I thought all four characters were really interesting.

I also really liked the first two Guild Hunter books. Elena struggled with her past and father for several books without an insta-fix (love doesn't cure all) while Raphael struggled (not completely successfully) with having a relationship, particularly with someone who doesn't agree that he should control her. There's no jealous ex until Archangel's Legion, which was a dumb plot mechanism. Raphael is not a manwhore and is depicted as being choosy about his lovers.


message 22: by Ferdy (new)

Ferdy I love Riley/Mercy and Judd/Brenna's books as well, Heart of Obsidian will probably always be my fave though. The other couples aren't as good, most of them are pretty forgettable.

I liked Elena/Raph at first, but I grew bored of them in books 3-6, Elena was still moaning about her family and Raph essentially hadn't changed (except for loving Elena). I hope they actually change and grow in the next book instead of being stuck in the same old issues from book 1.

I hate when the jealous ex pops up, it's really lazy and cliched writing. The ex always turns out to be a deluded cow who still wants the hero, heaven forbid an ex of the hero is a normal woman! All the jealous ex thing does is make me think less of the hero for dating someone so horrible.


message 23: by Rae (new)

Rae Recommend reading "The Hollows" series.

Keep in mind that the main character will irritate you at first, but she grows as the series continues. AND...best thing is...the series actually has an end. It's only 13 books long.


message 24: by Ferdy (new)

Ferdy Rae wrote: "Recommend reading "The Hollows" series."

I've actually already read The Hollow series, I enjoyed the first 8 or 9 books but hated the others - I despised the awful Trent/Rachel relationship, it was nauseating.


message 25: by Andy (new)

Andy You nailed it with this review. The flowery language and descriptions seemed like such a departure from her usual GH style that I started wondering if this was penned by a ghost writer. Ash and Janvier's story really was mediocre.


message 26: by Ferdy (new)

Ferdy Amanda wrote: "You nailed it with this review. The flowery language and descriptions seemed like such a departure from her usual GH style that I started wondering if this was penned by a ghost writer. Ash and Jan..."

I think her other books were more toned down, but for some reason she's started to get really flowery and over-the-top with her more recent releases.
I really though Ash would be a terrific heroine, but she was such a bore. After Ash/Janvier's story was built up in earlier books, I was expecting something great instead it was the same old, same old.


message 27: by Abra (new)

Abra Have you seen the blurb for the next book? Naasir is paired with a young angel. He's something like 600 years old, right? How much do you want to bet that young translates to inexperienced and virginal? Naasir was portrayed as a player in this story. The player/virgin dynamic must be something she can write in her sleep since it's in most of her novels. I was hoping Nalini Singh would take a chance and pair Naasir with Raphael's mom.


message 28: by Ferdy (new)

Ferdy Abra wrote: "Have you seen the blurb for the next book? Naasir is paired with a young angel. He's something like 600 years old, right? How much do you want to bet that young translates to inexperienced and virg..."

UGH, I just read it. Not ANOTHER wide eyed virginal dolt with a spine of steel and a stubborn/feisty attitude. Oh, let's not forget some dark tragedy too.

I swear PNR/UF authors are incapable of writing original interesting heroines who aren't young virginal speshul little snowflakes. It's obviously too much effort and creativity to try and write something different. I don't really quit series but I honestly can't be bothered with the same old rubbish.


message 29: by Abra (new)

Abra You're going to read the next one, right? If so, you can be my canary in a coal mine. I'm done with the whole experienced male/inexperienced female thing. I only read this book because I like the world it's set in. Everything else has become pretty tedious. I don't care about the MC in the next book anyway. He was barely in the previous books and was sequel bait in this one. Hopefully the next Psy/Changeling book will have something new.


message 30: by Ferdy (new)

Ferdy *Sigh* yea, I'll be reading it.
I used to look forward to all Nalini Singh books but nowadays they're more like a chore because she keeps using the same tropes and her writing has become really flowery.

I agree about Naasir only being included in the last book as sequel bait, I hate when authors do that.

I don't even want to read Ilium and co's story any more barbecue they're only going to end up with boring heroines with darks pasts who have never loved or lusted or sexed another guy.


message 31: by Nerina (new)

Nerina Your review was exactly what I would have wrote. Usually, I love reading the books in this series, but this relationship between Ashwini and Janvier drags. Its so boring. Well, basically this whole book is boring. I am really struggling to finish this one.


message 32: by Ferdy (new)

Ferdy Nerina wrote: "Your review was exactly what I would have wrote. Usually, I love reading the books in this series, but this relationship between Ashwini and Janvier drags."

I had to force myself to finish, Ash/Janvier were so boring, I enjoyed their build up but their own book was such a let down. She made Ash so boring and repetitive, talk about destroying a character.


message 33: by Abra (new)

Abra That's the same thing that happened with Aden's book. There was a lot of build up and then the actual book was boring.


message 34: by Sarah (new)

Sarah I seriously hate the focus and switch with the side characters. Seriously contemplating dropping this, idgaf.


message 35: by Ferdy (new)

Ferdy Sarah wrote: "I seriously hate the focus and switch with the side characters. Seriously contemplating dropping this, idgaf."

Yea, me too. I'd rather the series just come to an end, but it's carrying on with lesser known side characters who aren't even interesting to begin with.

Abra wrote: "That's the same thing that happened with Aden's book. There was a lot of build up and then the actual book was boring."

I've pretty forgotten Aden's books, I remember the earlier books better than his.


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