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message 1: by Brad (new)

Brad I don't know how I'm going to choose this month. I need to contemplate for a bit.


message 2: by ♥Xeni♥ (new)

♥Xeni♥ Eww... I was at school and missed nominating The Enchantress of Florence. I'm gonna go cry in my corner now. :(


message 3: by Amanda (new)

Amanda I missed making a nomination too...but theres a great selection here. Come on Bhagavad Gita!


message 4: by Richard (new)

Richard Hah! The blurb on Snake Agent makes it sound like Butcher's Dresden files.


message 5: by Aloha (new)

Aloha I missed the nomination because I was busy, too. The time for nominations should be extended.


message 6: by Brad (new)

Brad Aloha wrote: "I missed the nomination because I was busy, too. The time for nominations should be extended." I know it's a bummer that the nominations fly by pretty fast, Aloha, and sometimes people do miss the chance to nominate their favourites, but we've found in the past that the process of nominating books can quickly spin out of control if we run it by time rather than maximum nominations.

Even today, I was out for a period in the afternoon, and by the time I was back we already had eight nominations, one more than the usual, and our ninth nomination hadn't been seconded because there was some discussion going on over its "fantasy" credentials. So we ended up with nine rather than the usual seven. And that was in a very short period of time. If the time had been extended to include a day or two, the number of nominees would have been almost unmanagable (which could lead us Czars into a situation where we have to arbitrarily scale back the nominees, and that comes with its own load of problems).

We also found in the past that huge numbers of nominees tended to dilute the voting, so that something could win with very few votes, and then even fewer people than usual took part in the discussion, whereas tighter control on the nominees ensures that the winner generally has to carry a significant number of votes, which means more chance of dedicated readers in the discussion.

All of this, too, is why I make sure to forewarn the group of when (date and time) the nominations will begin. It's not ideal, but we never lack for good choices. Sorry you missed out, though. And you too Xeni.

Richard wrote: "Hah! The blurb on Snake Agent makes it sound like Butcher's Dresden files." There are definitely some similarities, but Snake Agent carves its own path fairly well.


message 7: by ♥Xeni♥ (new)

♥Xeni♥ Amanda wrote: "I missed making a nomination too...but theres a great selection here. Come on Bhagavad Gita!"

I agree! Bhagavad Gita!!


message 8: by Aloha (new)

Aloha Thanks, Brad. Now, to research these books. Wondering whether I should hit the Bhagavad again.


message 9: by Qylie (new)

Qylie What if your bursting at the seams to nominate something but you know you won't be able to make it, can you bombard brad via messages?


message 10: by Aloha (new)

Aloha Ooh, we're having the same vibes. As I was wondering about the Bhagavad Gita, Xeni was posting it.


message 11: by ♥Xeni♥ (new)

♥Xeni♥ Well, it had the most interesting title and the most interesting cover. xD

I should maybe read the summaries, but it's so hard.

I wish that this was one of those groups where someone had to post a few lines or a summary of the book (spoiler free) along with the nomination.


message 12: by Brad (new)

Brad Qylie wrote: "What if your bursting at the seams to nominate something but you know you won't be able to make it, can you bombard brad via messages?"

It never hurts to try. Another possibility is to ask a friend in the group who doesn't have a preference to nominate it for you in your absence.


message 13: by Brad (new)

Brad ♥Xeni♥ wrote: "I wish that this was one of those groups where someone had to post a few lines or a summary of the book (spoiler free) along with the nomination...."

I see no reason why we couldn't become that kind of group.


message 14: by ♥Xeni♥ (new)

♥Xeni♥ YAY!!!

It would be so helpful right now... you could just go to that one post and skim through the listed books and read all at once and wouldn't have to click 7 times and open all these new tabs and such! so YAY and YIPPEE!


message 15: by ♥Xeni♥ (new)

♥Xeni♥ Brad wrote: "It never hurts to try. Another possibility is to ask a friend in the group who doesn't have a preference to nominate it for you in your absence. "

I have no friends in the group. :(

Okay, just kidding, but honestly, if I don't get my book in it's not that big of a deal. I'm sure the others are just as great. :)


message 16: by Qylie (new)

Qylie Oh i like the idea of a summary near the book. I too click all the titles and go back and forth.


message 17: by Aloha (new)

Aloha It's too much hard work. Click...click....click...


message 18: by Aloha (new)

Aloha The Palace of Dreams look really good. Should I change my vote? Hmmm....


message 19: by Qylie (last edited Mar 25, 2011 03:17PM) (new)

Qylie I think Brad did an illegal nomination Amazon doesn't have this book listed to buy from them - am I wrong? ( Palace of Dreams)

Can someone give me the link?


message 20: by Valerie (new)

Valerie Yeah, it doesn't seem to be available on Amazon - the cheapest it lists is $54 for a used copy. Weird. It's on half.com, though: http://product.half.ebay.com/The-Pala...


message 21: by Carol. (new)

Carol. Brad, sounds like you have some good reasons for doing the nominations the way you have. Thanks for organizing it.

Is the Bhagavad Vita really a SciFi/Fantasy? Looks more in the religious tradition, and if so, is it insulting to read it in the scifi/fantasy group?

My vote so far is a four way tie; at least I have more ideas for my to-read list. Thanks for the nominations.


message 22: by Amanda (new)


message 23: by lézengő reader (new)

lézengő reader The Bhagavad Gita as fantasy? This is horribly disrespectful, so I'll keep away from voting. Otherwise I would have voted on The Palace of Dreams, I already have a copy and will read it in the near future anyway.

Brad, it's really lame that most people can't even get a chance to nominate, I can't think there's no other way to avoid chaos.


message 24: by Valerie (new)

Valerie Zerge wrote: "The Bhagavad Gita as fantasy? This is horribly disrespectful, so I'll keep away from voting."

It bothered me too, to be honest.


message 25: by [deleted user] (last edited Mar 25, 2011 03:54PM) (new)

How is The Bhagavad Gita not fantasy? Fictional story with fantastical/supernatural elements...

I would have voted for it, but Eon is the only book available at my library.


Mike (the Paladin) I'm too far behind on my reading so I won't be participating this time, but I agree, The Bhagavad Gita? I mean I'm a Christian and I don't see it as a holy book, but it's at least philosophy and many would take unbrage at calling it fantasy...


message 27: by [deleted user] (new)

Mike (the Paladin) wrote: "I'm too far behind on my reading so I won't be participating this time, but I agree, The Bhagavad Gita? I mean I'm a Christian and I don't see it as a holy book, but it's at least philosophy and ma..."

Many works of philosophy are encased in a fantasy story.


Mike (the Paladin) Well Donegal that's true, but those are meant to be taken as fantasy with a philosophical core. Still, I'm not offended or bothered, I was just saying others might be. There is plenty of Christian fantasy...but some would include the Bible whereas most Christians wouldn't. I was just trying to point out how it might appear to some.


message 29: by Valerie (new)

Valerie I just think it's needlessly insensitive to take another culture's well-established sacred text and just slap the "fantasy" label on it - like Mike said, it would be like nominating the Bible or the Koran. :/


message 30: by [deleted user] (new)

As far as not being able to get your nominations in on time, Brad sent a message to everyone on the 23rd giving everyone some time to come up with a nomination and be there(or have a proxy) to make said nomination.

It may seem a bit hardline, but it's better than the way things were previously.

As far as the Bhagavad Gita is concerned, I'm the one who nominated it. So if you think it's disrespectful or take umbrage to it, then please don't blame Brad.

I honestly didn't nominate it to be 'disrespectful'. It contains 'fantastical' elements and is a rather important literary work. One which I've always planned on reading, just never have.

I'm sorry if anyone is offended by it. I always thought of it as one of those books everyone should read at sometime in their life.

But worry not! Because, let's face it, it's not going to win.


message 31: by Amanda (last edited Mar 25, 2011 04:28PM) (new)

Amanda I guess it never occured to me that anyone would be offended by including the Bhagavad Gita in the poll. Eastern religions tend to take their spiritual beliefs more metaphorically than literally and seem to be less easy to offend as a consequence. I can see how the insinuation that the Bhagavad Gita is fantasy and therefore merely entertaining fiction might be construed as disrespectful, but I was looking at it more along the lines of folklore and mythology - something more spiritual and essentially true.


message 32: by Brad (last edited Mar 25, 2011 06:28PM) (new)

Brad Oh Palace of Dreams! I bought it last year from Chapters-Indigo in Canada, and it was the one book today that I didn't bother checking for availability because I assumed it must be available. What a putz. Sorry to all those who voted for it. Please come back and recast your vote. I have taken it off the list of nominees. It's such a shame because it is an excellent book. Anyway, sorry folks.

I'm not all that sorry, however, about the Bhagavad Gita, nor about the nominations.

The latter: it really was chaos when I started as the Sci-Fi Czar, and the nominations work well this way. And I do give lead time so that people can get their nominations in one way or another, as Ala mentioned. One thing I have been thinking is changing the start time, since I rarely sleep anyway, to reflect our worldwide membership, so that I will pick different time zones for the opening of nominations. Is this something our membership will support? Tell me here.

The former: My thinking was in line with Sherri on this: "I somehow think that it is better to read it however one reads it than to not read it. After all, if a work of fiction can change one's thinking or create a life change because of the philosophy it contains, well, then the label applied is just that - a label applied that has little to do with the content." I see mythology as the root of fantasy writing, and I would love to read something like Gilgamesh or Beowulf on here, so why not the Bhagavad Gita, or even the Bible or the Koran? What amazing discussions those discussions would be. And I really wasn't okaying it to suggest that the Bhagavad Gira was untrue or false, but just that as mythology and folklore it is a progenitor of what we enjoy reading today, so why not explore and discuss it.

+ I have a goodreads crush on Ala, and I may send him two pennies ;)


message 33: by [deleted user] (new)

I'm fine with changing the start time of the nominations, Brad. Fair is fair, after all.

Also: don't forget my maple leaf!


message 34: by Kim (new)

Kim Mod
I voted for Across the Nightingale Floor. I wouldn't like to read Eon: Dragoneye Reborn as I'd rather stay away from YA and read something with a little more substance.


message 35: by Aloha (last edited Mar 25, 2011 06:59PM) (new)

Aloha I'm familiar with the The Bhagavad Gita and its significance and interpretations, and I don't think that it's an insult to put it on the list. Neither would I find it an insult if you put the Bible on the list. I think people get so involved in fighting and being puny about concepts and ideologies that they don't see the big picture.

Kim, I prefer not to read YA, too.


message 36: by Aloha (new)

Aloha What I'm trying to say that a religious/spiritual expression and being should be free of idolatry, which includes not worshipping a tome to the point of creating dissension and seeing insults where none were meant.


message 37: by lézengő reader (new)

lézengő reader Worshipping a tome?
If I don't shit on the dining table it's not because I worship the dining table.

Have fun, folks.


message 38: by Lara Amber (new)

Lara Amber You know I wouldn't mind a month where our theme was to pick and read mythology, especially not the standard Greek/Roman, since mythologies are often the inspiration for fantasy. Maybe something that ties well to a previous fantasy selection so we can see that inspiration/influence in action?

Now to do my standard "winnowing down my choices based on what's available for the Kindle".


message 39: by ~Sara~ (new)

~Sara~ Brad wrote: "Oh Palace of Dreams! I bought it last year from Chapters-Indigo in Canada, and it was the one book today that I didn't bother checking for availability because I assumed it must be av..."

I was going to vote for that one too! I'm amazed that something is available in Canada but not in the States, that is very rare! I've had to opt out of many group reads due to the opposite being the case. Thank you for nominating it anyway and bringing it to my attention, it's available at my library so I will definitely be reading it as soon as I can!

Picking a second choice was much harder. I ended up choosing Across the Nightingale Floor but would really be happy with any of the choices this month. They all look interesting.

Also I agree with Brad - that was very well said Sherri!


message 40: by Valerie (new)

Valerie Lara Amber wrote: "You know I wouldn't mind a month where our theme was to pick and read mythology, especially not the standard Greek/Roman, since mythologies are often the inspiration for fantasy. Maybe something t..."

Yeah, if we were doing something like this I don't think there'd be any problem including the Bhagavad Gita (or the Bible, or the Koran, etc). It's just that I find nominating them along with other obviously fantasy novels to be pretty insensitive. :/ (And... "fighting"? "idolatry"? Really?)


message 41: by Aloha (new)

Aloha Been there. Done that. I've done my share of writing arguments on the finer points of what a soul is, or what reincarnation is, blah, blah. People wrapped up in ideas often become argumentative even on the finer points within a philosophy/religion. They're not fun to hang out with and worse to live with. That's where I'm coming from when I say that people would rather worship a tome.


message 42: by [deleted user] (new)

Valerie wrote: "Yeah, if we were doing something like this I don't think there'd be any problem including the Bhagavad Gita (or the Bible, or the Koran, etc). It's just that I find nominating them along with other obviously fantasy novels to be pretty insensitive. :/ "

I'm sorry you find it insensitive, even though that wasn't the intent.

But I'm not sorry for nominating it, as I think folks should read it even if only for the experience. We're doing an 'asian' theme for the month, and it has elements of the fantastical, so it does fit in the genre(even if only loosely, to some). Hell, Amazon even lists it under Science Fiction & Fantasy.

Again, though, it's all academic anyway. It won't win, but at least it's out there...


message 43: by Stuart (new)

Stuart Aken I know none of the authors, none of the books, so can't vote at this time. Maybe next time round.


message 44: by Sovotchka (new)

Sovotchka I think the time for nominations should be extended or thought over. Missed not because of going to school or anything, missed because I was asleep in my part of the world.

Not entirely sure about the Bhagavad Gita either. Just don't think it's alright to nominate something people believe in and live their life after for a fantasy read. And it seems even more wrong to vote on reading it. (That said, I do agree, everyone should read it at least once, just like the Bible or the Qu'ran, but not under the pretext of it being fantasy!)

But I'm happy with the Asian-themed fantasy, and even though I would have chosen The Drowning City (had I been awake to make a nomination^^), I'll happily read whatever else gets chosen anyway.


message 45: by ♥Xeni♥ (last edited Mar 26, 2011 02:58AM) (new)

♥Xeni♥ Brad wrote: "One thing I have been thinking is changing the start time, since I rarely sleep anyway, to reflect our worldwide membership, so that I will pick different time zones for the opening of nominations."

Yes please, Brad! (Just because GR is an American corporation, doesn't mean that us Europeans, or those over in Oceania, etc, etc are up at that time!) I would really appreciate this. :)


Kim wrote: "I voted for Across the Nightingale Floor. I wouldn't like to read Eon: Dragoneye Reborn as I'd rather stay away from YA and read something with a little more substance."

I feel the same... YA just bores me and makes me want to throttle most of the characters.



As to the whole Bhagavad Gita debate:

I doubt that reading it here would automatically put a label of 'fantasy' on it. It has fantastical elements (just like the Bible does) and I'd appreciate the chance to read it.

And I doubt that anyone can see this as an insensitive nomination, especially after Ala pointed out that even Amazon lists it under Sci fi & Fantasy.

The whole point of having an "asian theme" month is to introduce us westerners (and maybe you easterners as well) to some literature that we haven't read before. Wouldn't you want us to read and debate and enjoy the Bhagavad Gita then for just that reason?


message 46: by Amanda (last edited Mar 26, 2011 03:13AM) (new)

Amanda Looking down the list, Bhagavad is only one of two nominations that is actually written by asians, the other being Monkey. I think if the asian community wants to get offended about anything...it should be that! I was really hoping to read some world literature this go round, but I guess it's not to be.


message 47: by ♥Xeni♥ (new)

♥Xeni♥ Okay, I just changed my vote to Across the Nightingale Floor (Tales of the Otori #1) by Lian Hearn.

Essentially: I saw this book at a friends flat the other day and he really recommended it. I'd like to be able to discuss it with him, so

VOTE for Across the Nightingale Floor :P


message 48: by Caleb (new)

Caleb Blake I voted Across the Nightingale Floor as I own four of the books but have never actually read them. This looks like a good excuse to start.

Regards
Caleb


message 49: by Brad (new)

Brad Thanks for the input everyone. I will start switching around the start times on nomination threads from now on, thereby giving people everywhere a chance at first shot. It is fairer, and I am happy to do it. However, please, please, please, vocally support the decision once those people who are used to getting the first shot come out with their guns blazing because they themselves were asleep or unable to make nominations. I think I may need your backing.


message 50: by ♥Xeni♥ (new)

♥Xeni♥ Well, turnabout is fair play, right? xD


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