Pudjiastuti added that unlike the Chinese, who stopped the incursions after Indonesia blew up several of their boats, the Vietnamese government either could not or did not want to rein in its fishing fleet. I told her that perhaps the Vietnamese did not see those fishing trips as incursions because they believed they were in their own waters. Pudjiastuti laughed. “They can say that,” she said. “But I can show you on a map where the lines are.”
