circle, like they aren’t going anywhere. How can they get out of that plane? J: He says this is why it is necessary for people to pray for their loved ones because that will help them to see the light. It is like their own personal Hell that they live in. But, he says when they sense that they’ve had enough of this, guardian spirits come to them. After they have learned to say, for instance, “I’m tired of looking at all these people doing this stuff that I can’t do.”—Then the guardians come and conduct them and start showing them ways that they can make a transformation for themselves.

