‘As you seem to have the wiped the church out of the picture, who is going to make men what they ought to be, if the laws do not do it?’ ‘Who is to say what men ought to be?’ ‘If the people elect their lawmakers – which, nowadays, they do – don’t they depute that task to them?’ ‘But if the people and their deputies were formed by a corrupt society, how are they to make good decisions? How are they to form a moral society when they have no experience of one?’ ‘We really are going to get home late,’ the judge said. ‘We shall be here for six months if we are to do justice to the question. You
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