wouldnt a list of books that didnt win be better? Books that werent even nominated for the two biggest awards in the genre seems a bit limiting...

Killthepopular wrote: "wouldnt a list of books that didnt win be better?"
Those lists already exist.
http://www.goodreads.com/list/show/67...
http://www.goodreads.com/list/show/66...

"Books that werent even nominated for the two biggest awards in the genre seems a bit limiting..."
It could reasonably be argued that the Locus Award is the biggest award in the genre since it has the largest pool of voters.

As for limiting, I'd say no. At most we're excluding 10 books a year (a number of which are fantasy instead of sci-fi), usually less with books often being nominated for both awards. The annual Locus Recommended Reading list for sci-fi has at least twice that number of novels each year. Also, because these are American awards there is a bias towards American authors, since those are the authors with the highest profile here.

Take for example The Sparrow. It has won the Arthur C. Clarke Award, James Tiptree, Jr. Award, Kurd-Laßwitz-Preis and the British Science Fiction Association Award, but was not even nominated for the Hugo or Nebula, not even the Nebula longlists (preliminary ballots with usually about two dozen books).

I assume we're only excluding Nebula shortlist nominees since finding the old Preliminary Ballot longlists is a pain in the neck.

Can someone please remove "The Time Machine"?

The Time Machine - removed.

Anything else?

cant believe 1984 wasn't nominated. was that before the award started or something?

The Hugos were given for the first time in 1953, and the Nebula for 1965 (Dune was the first winner).

1984 was first published in 1949, I think.

The first awards were given in 1953 (for books published in 1952).

However, reto-awards for 1951 (1950) and 1954 (1953) were held in 2001 and 2004 respectively.

Susanna wrote: "The Time Machine - removed.

Anything else?"

Yes, please: Starmaker (1937).

It's a great book but its place is on other lists like Best Classic SF Novels (1930-1950).

Uflinks wrote: "The first awards were given in 1953 (for books published in 1952).

However, reto-awards for 1951 (1950) and 1954 (1953) were held in 2001 and 2004 respectively."

Yep. None have been given for 1949 so far, however.

Removed:

Star Maker, by Olaf Stapledon

Watchmen by Alan Moore shouldn't be on this list, because it did win the Hugo award in 1988. If you look at the cover posted here, it even says "winner of the Hugo award" in the top left.

You're absolutely right. I shall remove it.

Red Mars was nominated and should be removed from this list.

Y'all want me to remove Red Mars, and another one that doesn't belong here, Caves of Steel (1954 Hugo winner)?

Go ahead Susanna. You don't need to ask every time as long as you verify the fact. A very good source is ISFDB:
http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cg...
http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cg...

Alrighty, both Red Mars and Caves of Steel removed.

The Uplift War by David Brin needs to be removed. It won the Hugo and was nominated for the Nebula.

A lot of people aren't aware of this but on every Goodreads title page under the name of the book they list if that particular title won any awards and what the awards were.

So that is a good and easy to verify awards.