We've already got one of these:
http://www.goodreads.com/list/show/21...

Ah, to choose between American Gods and Ender's Game. If I were voting on the qualities of the author, Gaiman would be an absolute shoe-in. But, Ender's Game is the first sci-fi book that I ever read, and it got me into this genre to start with. Decisions, decisions.

Maren, only one of those books (The Persistence of Vision) won a Hugo. Some of the ones you added were never even nominated. Everything but The Persistence of Vision has been removed.

Brave New World has not won a Hugo - it was published in 1932, but the Hugos didn't start until 1953.

Any chance a Librarian could fix this?

Removed:

1984 (no Hugo, either regular or Retro, given for 1949)
2001: A Space Odyssey (neither nominated or a winner)
A Wrinkle in Time (neither nominated or a winner)
Rama Revealed (neither nominated or a winner)
The Device (neither nominated or a winner)
Brave New World (no Hugo, either regular or Retro, has been given for 1932)
The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy (neither nominated or won)
Buffalo Girls Won't You Come Out Tonight (neither nominated or a winner)

Question: are we including Hugo categories beside Best Novel? At any rate, did they give that award to the Graphic Novel edition of Coraline, or only to the regular book?

Thanks so much for your diligence, Susanna!

Coraline won best Hugo for novella in 2003 - the graphic novel didn't come out until 2008.

The description of this list mentions novels, so my opinion is that we should stick to novels. But I'm easy...

Haven't read American Gods yet, but can say Enders Game, Speaker for the Dead and the rest of the quartet as well as the Shadow series are among my all-time favorites bar none!

Irina wrote: "Ah, to choose between American Gods and Ender's Game. If I were voting on the qualities of the author, Gaiman would be an absolute shoe-in. But, Ender's Game is the first sci-fi book that I ever ..."

Tend to agree with Cindy that the list should stick to novels. There are also some books here which do not have Hugos including

Old Man's War (nominated, not a winner)
The Ghost Brigades (not nominated, not a winner)
The Player of Games (not nominated, not a winner)
Flowers for Algernon (The short story won a hugo, the novel was nominated in 1967 but lost to "The Moon is a Harsh Mistress")

Removed:

Old Man's War (nominee in 2008, but did not win)
The Ghost Brigades (neither a nominee or a winner)
The Player of Games (neither a nominee or a winner)

Retained Flowers for Algernon, as the edition's info page says it won the Hugo.

When did Fahrenheit 451 win a Hugo? Was it a Retro award? If it didn't it should be taken off the list

As far as I'm able to tell, Persistence of Vision was never nominated and never won.

Zak wrote: "When did Fahrenheit 451 win a Hugo? Was it a Retro award? If it didn't it should be taken off the list"

Fahrenheit 451 won a Retro Hugo in 2004.

Josh wrote: "As far as I'm able to tell, Persistence of Vision was never nominated and never won."

Removed.

Red Mars was a nominee, but did not win.

Several double entry:
1. The Left Hand of Darkness, no.17 and 68
2. Neuromancer, no.9 and 77
3. Starship Troopers, no.10 and 74
4. The Moon is a Harsh Mistress, no.8 and 76
5. Gateway, no.24 and 80
6. The Man in High Castle, no.22 and 73
7. The Demolished Man, no.29 and 75
8. Ringworld, no.11 and 71
9. The Forever War, no.12 and 69
10. The Gods Themselves, no.34 and 78
11. Diamond Age, no.13 and 72
12. Dispossessed, no.19 and 69
13. Coraline, no.44 and 56 (note: no.56 is the graphic novel adaptation, which I think didn't win Hugo Award)
14. Hyperion, no.5 and 61 (note: no.61 is a books set, from Hyperion #1-4, which I think didn't win Hugo Award)

Coraline won the Hugo Award for Best Novella in 2003 - however this is a list of Hugo Award winning Novels - so removed.

Hyperion - the four book set - certainly did not win the Hugo - so removed.

Flowers for Algernon actually won two hugos - as a short story in 1960 and as a novel in 1966.

The Persistence of Vision by John Varley won the Hugo Award for Best Novella in 1979.

Footfall by Larry Niven and Jerry Pournelle was nominated for Hugo Award for Best Novel in 1986 but lost to Ender's Game - so removed.

Mitchell wrote: "Coraline won the Hugo Award for Best Novella in 2003 - however this is a list of Hugo Award winning Novels - so removed."

This is actually NOT a list of Hugo Award Winning Novels. Coraline should not have been removed. Please do not remove books from lists arbitrarily for reasons of your own.

The description said that the Hugo is given to sci-fi novels, which was overly narrow statement, which might have led you to the mistake. The Hugo is also given to other works of science fiction. I edited the description to make this more clear, and to correct spelling.

As far as I know, Red Mars (#44) was nominated, but did not win. Game of Thrones (#66) was nominated for the Nebula, but not the Hugo. Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy (#68) was not nominated. Neither was Clan of the Cave Bear (#69).

Michael wrote: "Mitchell wrote: "Coraline won the Hugo Award for Best Novella in 2003 - however this is a list of Hugo Award winning Novels - so removed."

This is actually NOT a list of Hugo Award Winning Novels...."

I'm sorry for your interpretation. However the group who comment on this list certainly looks like it thinks this was intended to be novels which apparently WAS what the description said before YOU who were not the list creator, changed it.

I haven't gone hunting but I'd expect that the novellas that won the hugos would be an awesome list. But frankly I wouldn't expect to find them all separately in print.

Actually, if you look at the changelog, you can see the old description. No need to make false assumptions. The old description still calls this list "Hugo Award Winners," which is how I left it. It does have a slightly incorrect description of the awards (not a description of the list), claiming that the Hugo award is for novels, which is untrue - it's for a variety of works.

It also claimed that the Hugo award is only for science fiction, which is also untrue.

I corrected these two misrepresentations of the Hugo Awards.

I'm not sure what your seeing. The changelog showed 9 entries - none of which changed the wording from novels until your change. The wayback machine showed that on Dec 7 2008 (the first entry) this list read "The Hugo Awards are awarded annually by World Science Fiction Society to honor excellent science fiction novels. ". And it read the same on Oct 2nd 2013.

No one disagrees that the Hugo Award awards a number of awards each year as well as Retro Hugo Awards. Nor is there any dispute that the award includes Fantasy as well as Science Fiction.

The question is what is THIS list for. And the people who have commented on this list have gone along with the list creators description calling out Novels - not short stories, not novellas, not screen plays, not non-fiction, not other works by grandmasters.

Mitchell wrote: "I'm not sure what your seeing. The changelog showed 9 entries - none of which changed the wording from novels until your change. The wayback machine showed that on Dec 7 2008 (the first entry) this..."

The wording of the description says that this list is for The Hugo Awards. It does not say that anything about this list being specifically about novels. However, it does say that the Hugo awards are specifically about novels. If there's a tradition here of only accepting novels that has actually been followed, the name of the list should change to reflect that, and the description should match that name change. If it does not, newcomers will continually add books that match the name of the list rather than follow a very unclear "tradition" that requires the newcomer to guess that a commenter is correct.



Once again, to clarify:

Here is the old description: "The Hugo Awards are awarded annually by World Science Fiction Society to honor excellent science fiction novels."

That description incorrectly claims that the Hugo Awards are exclusive to novels. It says *nothing* about this list. It clearly indicates that it is describing the awards, and does not give any indication to the contrary.

The description's other major error was its claim that the Hugo Award is for science fiction. It is for science fiction and fantasy.

The title of this list is "Hugo Award Winners." That title makes it very clear that this list is for all Hugo Award winners, not just novels, and not just science fiction.

Anyway, on a more productive, less argumentative note, one of two things should happen:

1. We can leave things as they are and start allowing every award.

2. We can edit the title and description to something like this:

Title
"Hugo Award-winning Novels"

Description

"Vote for your favorites from amongst the novels which have won a Hugo Award.

The Hugo Awards are awarded annually by the World Science Fiction Society to honor excellent works of science fiction and fantasy. This list is only for novels which have won the prize."

At this point, option 1 is the only that makes sense because this is the list for Hugo Award winners. No clearly competing list has been created because it's obvious from the name of this list that it is the place for all Hugo Award winners. There is no need for a second list for the fantasy winners or for non-novel winners.

Option 2 would become viable if lists were created for all of the other Hugo categories first.

Michael, I think what you miss is that there isn't any list on goodreads that all people will follow directions on regardless of explicit directions.

This list as it stands right now IS a list only of novels. If you think a list needs to exist that includes all Hugo winners regardless of whatever it is a novel or not, then you should create it.

And when people add books that don't fit that criteria, I hope you - and certainly other librarians - will remove those books that don't fit the criteria.

If you don't accept this, than I would suggest you change the description of this list to state this explicitly and in some detail - listing example categories and the fact that their was some confusion in the past AND that there is now another list just for Hugo novel winners.

I'm not really sure why you think I'm assuming people would follow directions. They rarely do, which is why I was pointing out that you had violated the directions on this list. When you deleted Coraline, there was a message on the screen that said "Only delete books from the list that are totally miscategorized. Deleting books that aren't will result in a loss of librarian privileges, and possible deletion of account. We're super serious!"

Coraline was not "totally miscategorized" but actually fit the list, as this list was defined. Anyway, I'll just assume that you checked and that this list is in fact currently made up entirely of novels. Because of that fact, it makes sense to go with option 2. Does that seem like a good compromise to you?

EDIT: I edited the title and description to match the reality of the list as you described it. Feel free to edit it further if I missed something or did not understand something.

The title is a bit wordy because there is already a list called "Hugo Award for Best Novel." Since there is already a list with that name fulfilling the same purpose that this list has been covertly doing, I cannot create a duplicate title.

(I don't quite understand your last paragraph, so I didn't respond to it. I think we're past it now though, aren't we?)

A Game of Thrones was not even a nominee - though later books in the series were nominated.

Clan of the Cave Bear is not a hugo winner.

Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy is not a hugo winner.

Coraline is still NOT a hugo novel winner.

The people that add those aren't likely to read the comments, unfortunately.

Zak wrote: "When did Fahrenheit 451 win a Hugo? Was it a Retro award? If it didn't it should be taken off the list"

It won in 1955...I think that's what it said, which is odd because it came out in '53; but it did win.

Winner Hugo Award for Best Novel
2015 The Three-Body Problem by Liu Cixin.
2014 Ancillary Justice by Ann Leckie
2013 Redshirts by John Scalzi
2012 Among Others by Jo Walton
2011 Blackout/All Clear by Connie Willis
2010 The Windup Girl by Paolo Bacigalupi
2010 The City & the City by China Mieville

2009 The Graveyard Book by Neil Gaiman
2008 The Yiddish Policemen's Union by Michael Chabon
2007 Rainbows End by Vernor Vinge
2006 Spin by Robert Charles Wilson
2005 Jonathan Strange Mr. Norrell by Susanna Clarke
2004 Paladin of Souls by Lois McMaster Bujold
2003 Hominids by Robert J. Sawyer
2002 American Gods by Neil Gaiman
2001 Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire by J. K. Rowling
2000 A Deepness in the Sky by Vernor Vinge

1999 To Say Nothing of the Dog by Connie Willis
1998 Forever Peace by Joe Haldeman
1997 Blue Mars by Kim Stanley Robinson
1996 The Diamond Age by Neal Stephenson
1995 Mirror Dance by Lois McMaster Bujold
1994 Green Mars by Kim Stanley Robinson
1993 Fire Upon the Deep by Vernor Vinge
1993 Doomsday Book by Connie Willis
1992 Barrayar by Lois McMaster Bujold
1991 The Vor Game by Lois McMaster Bujold
1990 Hyperion by Dan Simmons

1989 Cyteen by C. J. Cherryh
1988 The Uplift War by David Brin
1987 Speaker for the Dead by Orson Scott Card
1986 Ender's Game by Orson Scott Card
1985 Neuromancer by William Gibson
1984 Startide Rising by David Brin
1983 Foundation's Edge by Isaac Asimov
1982 Downbelow Station by C. J. Cherryh
1981 The Snow Queen by Joan D. Vinge
1980 The Fountains of Paradise by Arthur C. Clarke

1979 Dreamsnake by Vonda N. McIntyre
1978 Gateway by Frederick Pohl
1977 Where Late the Sweet Birds Sang by Kate Wilhelm
1976 The Forever War by Joe Haldeman
1975 The Dispossessed by Ursula K. Le Guin
1974 Rendezvous with Rama by Arthur C. Clarke
1973 The Gods Themselves by Isaac Asimov
1972 To Your Scattered Bodies Go by Philip Jose Farmer
1971 Ringworld by Larry Niven
1970 The Left Hand of Darkness by Ursula K. Le Guin

1969 Stand on Zanzibar by John Brunner
1968 Lord of Light by Roger Zelazny
1967 The Moon is a Harsh Mistress by Robert Heinlein
1966 Dune by Frank Herbert
1966 And Call Me Conrad aka This Immortal by Roger Zelazny
1965 The Wanderer by Fritz Leiber
1964 Waystation aka Here Gather the Stars by Clifford D. Simak
1963 The Man in the High Castle by Philip K. Dick
1962 Stranger in a Strange Land by Robert A. Heinlein
1961 A Canticle for Liebowitz by Walter M. Miller, Jr.
1960 Starship Troopers by Robert A. Heinlein

1959 A Case of Conscience by James Blish
1958 The Big Time by Fritz Leiber
1956 Double Star by Robert Heinlein
1955 They'd Rather by Right by Mark Clifton and Frank Riley
1953 The Demolished Man by Alfred Bester

Retro Hugo Award for Best Novel
1954 (2004) Fahrenheit 451 by Ray Bradbury
1951 (2001) The Farmer in the Sky by Robert Heinlein
1946 (1996) The Mule by Isaac Asimov
1939 (2014) The Sword in the Stone by T. H. White

If it is not on the above list and is not for a hugo award for best novel or retro hugo award for best novel awarded 2015 or later, any librarian should be comfortable removing the book. There are other Goodreads lists for Hugo Winning Novellas and Hugo Winning Related Works.

Winner for 2015: The Three-Body Problem by Liu Cixin.

I see Red Mars has crept on (#37) - it was nominated but did not win.

Susanna - Censored by GoodReads wrote: "I see Red Mars has crept on (#37) - it was nominated but did not win."

Red Mars has been removed

Winners for this year announced
The Fifth Season for hugo
and Slan for retro hugo

Connie Willis's Blackout and All Clear were considered as a single work for the Hugo Award. Having them presented separately here runs contrary to how the Hugo voters were supposed to read them (and does funny things to the ranking).