The Unknown, Hidden Gems of Historical Fiction
Please no well-known books. That definitely means best-sellers, prize-winners, generally prolific author and books, or even something currently trendy.
*Books with more than 20,000 ratings will be removed.
And PLEASE ONLY historical fiction. Nothing is more annoying that HF list full of classics portraying the own time they were written in. For example any Bronte, Austen, L.M. Montgomery is not historical fiction.
Historical fiction portrays a time period long before the period in which they were written (at least 70-80 years.)
*Books with more than 20,000 ratings will be removed.
And PLEASE ONLY historical fiction. Nothing is more annoying that HF list full of classics portraying the own time they were written in. For example any Bronte, Austen, L.M. Montgomery is not historical fiction.
Historical fiction portrays a time period long before the period in which they were written (at least 70-80 years.)
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Jul 11, 2012 06:35PM

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I agree. There are some odd additions here, and not really historical at first glance.

Shall I remove it?"
I'm thinking yes. Some of these do need a closer look. Iceland is another odd choice. Not unknown, reasonably recent and not HF. It's based on fairytales and legends. And why are mysteries here?

What I Saw and How I Lied
Spirit Walker
The Phantom of the Temple: A Judge Dee Mystery
Wolf Brother
Murder in Canton: A Judge Dee Mystery
The Lacquer Screen: A Chinese Detective Story
How about all the Judge Dee mysteries?
Island Of The Blue Dolphins
The Falconer's Knot: A Story of Friars, Flirtation and Foul Play
Goddess of Yesterday
The Blood of Flowers
Christy
Morality Play
Breath
A Brief History of Montmaray
High Stakes (self published, voted on list by author)

Roma Arroyo (another author vote?)
The Shadow in the North
Down the Common: A Year in the Life of a Medieval Woman
Ladies?

Was tempted to comment in a similar vein on "Restoration," though -- surely after the movie it can't be THAT much of a "hidden gem" any longer?
I do however agree on "Island of the Blue Dolphins," and would say the same for "Wolf Brother," as well as "Pirates!," "Anna's Book" (wasn't that even an award winner ... or finalist, at least?), "These is My Words" (over 22.000 GR ratings!) and plenty of other entries.
I'm afraid, lacking any specific criteria (such as a "hard" delineation on the basis of the number of GR ratings, as is the case with several other lists), this list is destined to fast deteriorate into one of those essentially un-rescuable things where everybody adds what they themselves consider "a hidden gem of historical fiction" ... even if they do at least stick to the definition of "historical fiction" as something set before the author's own life time. (I'm not holding my breath for Austen and the Brontes not to end up showing up here as well, though ...)


Thanks for that input, I'm not familiar with them and can't judge. I hope the list *owner* would return and clarify what fits the criteria.
@ Jane. It's even more pathetic when they nominate their books for group reads. Or the author who shall remain nameless actually went on FB and asked her friends to vote up her book so it topped a list of famous mistresses...
No, I'm not kidding.

There's a list for books like that, "Ballot Box Stuffing: Books For Which People Have Gamed the Listopia System" at:
http://www.goodreads.com/list/show/21...
Also, beware of the concept of list "owners" and their returning to clarity. The creator of this list:
http://www.goodreads.com/list/show/14...
returned after a long absence last Sunday, removed EVERYBODY's votes (167 people, dozens of books), and replaced the list with a new one of her own with her boyfriend's book at the top of the list (It has since been admin-cleansed and new voters have started showing up).
And that wasn't even a list with unclear definitions or inappropriate books.

It would be nice if the list originator could come back to clarify on the list description what he/she does or does not want here.
@ Themis-Athena. Good point about Restoration. It can't be that obscure anymore, can it?
For that matter, is Jean Plaidy really that hidden a gem? She's been republished over and over for decades and is an HF standard.

Yes, if you try to remove a book from a list you get a severely-worded dialogue box before you can complete the action. I have seen it a few times when removing books with the wrong publication date from a list of books published in one year. It's automatic.
I should think people ought to think carefully before removing books from lists (although clearly they don't always).
The thing is, distasteful though people adding their own books may be, it is not against the site's policies. You can refrain from voting for them, but if they more or less fit the list's description they should probably be let alone.
I started the "Ballot Box Stuffing" list because I didn't like that behavior, but I haven't gone around removing those books from the lists they're on because A) that would be really high-handed and obnoxious and besides, B) they generally qualify according to Goodreads' terms.
I think the policy about removing books from lists is for really egregious misfits.
I do agree that a book with thousands of ratings probably does not qualify as "unknown hidden."



She's a standard of historical fiction!


I agree with some of the sentiments brought up here regarding what belongs and what doesn't. I found it difficult to decide what to add to the list, not being sure what was considered too popular or well known. I removed Plaidy's Madonna of the Seven Hills after reading the comments, having included it because of the other Plaidys listed. I mainly focused on books that I, and sometimes Ron, felt deserved more attention. If anyone disagrees with any of our selections, please let me know. Maybe by our discussion here we can come up with better guidelines.
Misfit, Ron and I have to second the Judge Dee novels. Although they are listed as mysteries, they follow actual cases, but it is the real Judge Dee and how Ancient China, its people and culture are handled that make them HF for us. But I can see where letting mysteries in could muddy things, I also included Tom Bradby's The White Russian: A Novel for its historical aspects, although it does have a mystery. Maybe we need another list for hidden historical fiction mystery gems.


Jean Plaidy is NOT an unknown gem; neither is Anya Seaton, Pauline Gedge, Simon Scarrow, Cynthia Harrod Eagles, colleen McCullough, Anne Easter Smith and Daphne du Maurier. All great authors, but not newbies by any means.

My husband and I are responsible for adding the Scarrow since it seemed none of his books exceeded a high number of ratings. The Cynthia Harrod Eagles, which we didn't post, is for her lessor known Russian trilogy. I do think, as others have mentioned, for a list like this, more specific guidelines need to be put in place. Maybe this will spawn a new list but despite these minor issues, I've found quite a few interesting books I want to look into. All in all that's a good thing.


I also added three books by Doris Sutcliffe Adams-- the real name of the author who wrote Red Adam's Lady-- already listed. All three were published in the UK in the 50's-60's. All deserve to be better known.
I've also read the Judge Dee novels and recommend them.


Thank you for pointing it out Melodie. I'll get it removed.


Since I am unable to read the book blurb in Spanish, could you please clarify how your book published in 2014 qualifies as 1) historical fiction and 2) hidden gem? As I understand the qualifications made by the list creator, the intention is more for those lesser known, somewhat lost and forgotten gems and not just published indies. Or maybe I just need to go get some coffee and reread the description.


I am so surprised.
/sarcasm

Yyyyeah.
I'm an author, and it's a stark no-no to add your own books to lists that have superlatives for the title. You can't call your own books a "Hidden Gem"...that's just kinda not classy, you know?
Add it to a list that says something factual and straightforward, like "Historical Fiction Set in the Renaissance," or whatever, but not a list that attempts to make a subjective judgment call like this one.
That being said, I've seen some good picks on here! And added a few of my own. (Picks, that is, not my own books.) And voted. I'll now scroll through it and frantically add all these nice books to my TBR. :D

For example, I consider Pauline Gedge to be a very hidden gem. She's not totally unknown, but she's certainly not as well exposed as, say, Philippa Gregory or Ken Follett.
So maybe we need clearer guidelines...? I don't know. Or we're all going to have to take it a little less seriously and accept some of the additions we don't agree with. :)
ETA: Okay, the comment I was replying to was like two years old. THE MAN YOU ARE SPEAKING TO HAS BEEN DEAD FOR OVER TWO YEARS....
Never mind. :P

Lol. Lists are a matter of opinion, so we librarians generally don't mess with them unless a beek obvioult doesn't belong. There are a lot of interesting books here.

Thanks. What is Josiah Stubb: The Siege of Louisbourg with a 2014 pub date doing at #1? I smell circle jerk voting.

The Captain by Jan de Hartog (currently #606) is not historical fiction either. Even if you don't know the book, just compare the date of its first publication with the setting of the story.....



I also have a few ideas in mind to add but am not sure if they are hidden enough. The Midwife of Venice by Roberta Rich comes to mind. Enjoyable read about a time that doesn't seem to appear in most bestseller HF. Is there a specific cut off number for the number of ratings a book must have to be "hidden" or criteria that proves that it's a gem?
All in all, I can't wait to explore this list further!

And how about the two books I mentioned in my earlier message? I'm willing to remove them, if someone agrees... :-)
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