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The Big Sleep (Philip Marlowe, #1)

Raymond Chandler

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Jun 14, 2016 Brad rated it really liked it · review of another edition

Shelves: detective, guiltiest-of-pleasures, read-in-2016, audio-book, infuriating, ashamed-of-myself

The Big Sleep filled my yearly quota of misogyny and homophobia in one shocking shot.

I read this years and years ago, watching it somewhen around the time I watched Bogie and Bacall in Howard Hawke's adaptation, although I can't remember in what order I read/watched the two versions. I do remember loving the book, though, and I have since seen the film a dozen times over thirty-some years. I remembered the hard-bitten cynicism of Philip Marlowe, I remembered Vivian Sternwood's languorous sexine The Big Sleep filled my yearly quota of misogyny and homophobia in one shocking shot.

I read this years and years ago, watching it somewhen around the time I watched Bogie and Bacall in Howard Hawke's adaptation, although I can't remember in what order I read/watched the two versions. I do remember loving the book, though, and I have since seen the film a dozen times over thirty-some years. I remembered the hard-bitten cynicism of Philip Marlowe, I remembered Vivian Sternwood's languorous sexiness (although it turns out this is much more Bacall's performance as Vivian than Raymond Chandler's character). I also remembered the general nuts and bolts of the story. What I didn't remember, what I had no sense of at all, was just how normalized the disdain for women and homosexuals was in this book.

It is virulent.

Women are to be avoided at all costs. They are either the devil herself, or succubi there to tempt men into their own downfall. They are incapable. They are weak. They are irresponsible. They are foolish. They are objects in the worst ways. They are infantile. They are spoiled. And they are flat (which might not be saying much considering that every character in this story, including Philip Marlowe, is static and without a hint of growth). To read it now (or to listen to it, as I did) is to feel every moment of misogyny as a pinch to the nervous system. At least that's how it felt to me.

But then there is the homophobia, which isn't omnipresent like the misogyny (since women abound in the story) but is no less disgusting. The homophobia carries with it the stain of disgust that homosexuality carried with it in our general popular culture well into the nineties (and in so many places still today), and the gay characters in The Big Sleep are the worst kind of humanity. They are positioned as no better than vermin, and homosexuality is discussed in the book the way that child molestation is discussed today.

If the misogyny was a pinch to my nerves, the homophobia was a Vulcan nerve pinch to my bisexual mind (it's no wonder it took me so long to come to terms with my sexuality with such stories shaping my mind as a child).

Yet for all my anger and disgust over the misogyny and homophobia, I find myself guiltily admitting that I really enjoyed The Big Sleep all the same. I should probably be ashamed of myself, and I assure you part of me is ashamed, but Raymond Chandler could sure tell a tale. The dialogue was crisp, the pacing was taut, the story was compelling, the setting of 1930s' LA was everything my mind has come to imagine it to be, and The Big Sleep kept me so riveted I found myself setting aside the misogyny and homophobia as just a product of the time (yeah ... I know. I am guilty as charged).

I feel like there is more to say about all this, more I should say, and much self-criticism that I should ponder (and I will), but for now I will stop, and let you make of my guilt what you will.

One last thing, I listened to the Audible audio version, narrated by Ray Porter, and his performance was one of those uneven performances that drive me mad. His vocal feel for Marlowe and the other men in the book was spot on, and he really nailed the cadence of Chandler's dialogue, but his vocals for the female characters made Chandler's misogyny audibly tangible. He cannot do women's voices, so that every woman in the story sounds like the worst possible version of themselves. It is one of those cases where a shared narration with a woman performing the female dialogue would have elevated the production far beyond what it achieved. I will be avoiding Ray Porter narrations in the future. ...more

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Mar 03, 2008 Laura rated it it was amazing · review of another edition

Shelves: california, suspense-thriller, 1001-books-you-must-read-before-you, roman-noir

PI Philip Marlowe is working for the Sternwood family. Old man Sternwood, crippled and wheelchair-bound, is being given the squeeze by a blackmailer and he wants Marlowe to make the problem go away...

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Jun 13, 2010 Suvi rated it really liked it · review of another edition

Shelves: _north-america, crime-mystery, _book-shelf, novels, 1900-1939, cities_los-angeles

"What did it matter where you lay once you were dead? - - You were dead, you were sleeping the big sleep, you were not bothered by things like that. Oil and water were the same as wind and air to you. You just slept the big sleep, not caring about the nastiness of how you died or where you fell. Me, I was part of the nastiness now."

Endless rain, the oppressive smell of orchids, shadows on the walls, cigarette smoke, orange groves, oil fields, guns, and beautiful women fluttering their eyelas ...more

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Oct 14, 2016 Mike rated it liked it

Shelves: crime, fiction, mystery

The first of Chandler's Philip Marlowe novels.

P.I. Philip Marlowe is hired on a blackmail case that leads to much more than he'd bargained for. Murder and porn, to be specific.

Chandler has a way with dialogue that makes Marlowe seem effortlessly cool at all times. It's fun to read.

This novel would go great with whiskey and a cigarette.
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Mar 21, 2017 Nadine in NY Jones rated it really liked it

Shelves: 1001-books, noir, classic, hard-boiled, mystery, detective-mystery

Dead men are heavier than broken hearts.

This was really great, and so well-written, filled with hard boiled metaphors and slang so picturesque that I wondered if Chandler was inventing some of it himself.

Marlowe is hired for a fairly innocuous task, which is (accidentally) resolved quickly, but leads to a string of murders building one on another like the house that Jack built. But Marlowe never backs down, he laughs in the face of danger (literally).

Chandler doesn't care for orchids:

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Aug 30, 2017 Tom Britz rated it it was amazing

Shelves: favorites

This is my first experience of reading Raymond Chandler and I immediately have become a fan. His way of turning a phrase is both entertaining and still be able to convey the meaning of what he wants you to get, sometimes even at more than one level of experience. All while telling a damn fine mystery.
Philip Marlowe is called to the Sternwood mansion for what at first looked to be a simple case of blackmail. General Sternwood looks to be death warmed up just enough to be breathing. He apparently ...more

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Apr 25, 2014 Maggie rated it it was amazing · review of another edition

Shelves: usa, guardian-1000, series, boxall-1001, fiction, mystery, classics, thriller

This was my first venture into the world of hardboiled fiction. It is a masculine world, a world of blackmail, guns, porn, gambling, alcohol, fights, tough talk and women. It is a world that I expected to detest, so it was surprising that I actually liked The Big Sleep.

Chandler wrote this in the 1930s, and it paints a picture of Depression-era LA that was corrupt and seedy, where almost everyone from murderer to cop was a crook in some way. I don't know how accurate this picture is of LA in tha ...more

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