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Early Indians: The Story of Our Ancestors and Where We Came From

Tony Joseph

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Who are we Indians ? Where did we come from ? Many of us believe our ancestors have lived in South Asia since 'time immemorial'. But, as it turns out, 'time immemorial' may not have been all that long ago. To tell us the story of our ancestry, journalist Tony Joseph goes 65,000 years into the past—when a band of modern humans, or Homo sapiens, first made their way from Afr ...more

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Mar 26, 2019 Nandakishore Varma rated it really liked it

Indians are a people who are always a bit confused about their identity as “Indians” – maybe because the nation itself is a relatively recent construct (not ignoring the mythical “Bharata”) and the regional and caste identities are more strongly embedded. Ever since the West discovered the mystic East, there have been attempts to create an Indian past which is wholly spiritual – based on the mythical, Vedic “Aryan” – by the proponents of the enlightenment. In colonial times, this “Aryan” became ...more

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Dec 30, 2018 Abhinav Gupta rated it it was amazing

India has had a weird relationship with its history prior to Mauryan empire. History by its nature is imprecise but, in this case, confusion is compounded by the fact that Harappan script remains undeciphered and there are very few archaeological remains of Vedic society. The confusion has only been furthered by ideologically motivated or imaginative thinkers who have colored this phase of history with their own agendas. Top example remains forcibly trying to conflate Harrapans with Vedic societ ...more

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Feb 27, 2019 Jayaprakash Satyamurthy rated it it was amazing

Everyone in our subcontinent - Pakistanis, Indians, Bangladeshis - please read EARLY INDIANS by Tony Joseph. Understand where we're coming from, how rich and diverse our roots are and how superficial our divisions are. And it's all based on scientific evidence, not ideological wishful thinking.

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Jan 06, 2019 Sahil Pradhan rated it it was amazing

Who are we Indians ? Where did we come from ? Many of us believe our ancestors have lived in South Asia since ‘time immemorial’. But, as it turns out, ‘time immemorial’ may not have been all that long ago. To tell us the story of our ancestry, journalist Tony Joseph goes 65,000 years into the past—when a band of modern humans, or Homo sapiens, first made their way from Africa into the Indian subcontinent.

Citing recent DNA evidence, he traces the subsequent large migrations of modern humans into ...more

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Jul 17, 2019 Munjal Dalwadi rated it it was ok

First of all it’s good read and will increase your knowledge. Very good flow of the book and simplest possible explanation of complicated scientific/ Genetic terminology. As your read the book some questions generated in your mind and you will get answer very next moment or paragraph. Vey thought fully composed book and never bored you any time.
But I find few problems with book or author’s mind set or his intentions. Vey first thing he has problem identifying Yogi Mudra seal of harrappan as Pash First of all it’s good read and will increase your knowledge. Very good flow of the book and simplest possible explanation of complicated scientific/ Genetic terminology. As your read the book some questions generated in your mind and you will get answer very next moment or paragraph. Vey thought fully composed book and never bored you any time.
But I find few problems with book or author’s mind set or his intentions. Vey first thing he has problem identifying Yogi Mudra seal of harrappan as Pashupati Siva. Another impossible argument about ancient DNA finding. He said they find some skeletal or DNA evidence in peripheral area of harrapns which are outlier from DNA finding of same area and this outlier has fist Indian genes so they can be consider as harrapans. This argument I can’t digest. There Swastika symbols finding at harrappa which he doesn’t mentioned and swastika related to Vedic people or Aryans. There so many points when I feel, author is selective to give you some information from journal or research paper and willfully hide contrary information. He also took support of south Indian myths and tries to make it as fact to support his arguments but if he can consider south Indian myths then he has to consider north Indian Myths (Aryans Myths) too. If I consider north Indian myth then I can correlate them with lot finding he points out in the book.
He just talks about Harrapans which is western most part of subcontinent but what about peninsular and gangetic plains during that time? There has to be some kind of culture developed there as well. He just left those parts blank by saying they got early farming experiment in Lahuradewa. That means there has be some kind of farming developed which could lead to some other kind civilization but as that are never abandoned and highly occupied for centuries we can’t get any evidence. And Vedic people or people from steppe with R1a1 gene mixed with them and created parallel civilization and constantly in conflict with Harrapan people and when extensive drought followed harrapa they took it over than become dominant. There could so many possibilities with finding we got today but he just highlights what his agenda is.
At last I would like to highlight, he made joke for “Tukde Tukde” thing which is final blow to believe he has some agenda with book. And for author’s intentions behind book, I would like to show, Harrapan Symbol (Fishy).
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May 12, 2019 Arvind rated it it was amazing

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First Things First - The Aryan Invasion/Migration Theory has been controversial in India for sometime now. Originally, Max Mueller put forward this theory in the mid 19th century on basis of linguistics. Mind well that the Harappan/Indus-Saraswati valley civilisation had not been discovered till then and surprisingly no written records of that civilisation remain !
" ઇતિહાસ શું લખવાની ચીજ છે ? સાધારણ બે કોડીની રોજીંદી ઘટનાઓનું નામ ઈતિહાસ છે. જે આજ તોફાનની જેમ ઉઠે છે, પણ આવતીકાલે જેનું કોઈ નામોનિ First Things First - The Aryan Invasion/Migration Theory has been controversial in India for sometime now. Originally, Max Mueller put forward this theory in the mid 19th century on basis of linguistics. Mind well that the Harappan/Indus-Saraswati valley civilisation had not been discovered till then and surprisingly no written records of that civilisation remain !
" ઇતિહાસ શું લખવાની ચીજ છે ? સાધારણ બે કોડીની રોજીંદી ઘટનાઓનું નામ ઈતિહાસ છે. જે આજ તોફાનની જેમ ઉઠે છે, પણ આવતીકાલે જેનું કોઈ નામોનિશાન રહેતું નથી. ઈતિહાસ તો ધૂળની ડમરી છે. ભારતે ઈતિહાસ નથી લખ્યો. " - Jay Vasavada
(History is not worth writing.)
The discovery of the Harappan civilisation in the 1920s added a new chapter - Who were the Harappans ? Were they also "Indians" or were they too migrants ?
And what were the links between Harappan and Aryan/Vedic civilisation ? Did the Harappan civilisation metamorph into the Aryan/Vedic civilisation or did the Aryan Invasion/Migration theory still hold ?
The author looks at genetics, archaeology and linguistics to convincingly answer all the questions. Starting with the Out-of-Africa migration 65000 years ago who he calls the "First Indians", and the subsequent waves of migration mixing with the "First Indians" to give the birth of the first farming communities, eventually leading to Harappan civilisation and he demonstrates how the Aryan migration theory is true. Each migration kept adding to our gene pool and culture.
In doing so, the author also acknowledges the The Lost River: On The Trails of Saraswati indirectly and shows how the book's thesis that the Vedic Saraswati is the same as Ghaggar-Hakra is wrong. But, he agrees that the Aryan civilisation resulted from the mingling of the Aryan migrants and the Harappans.
Moving on, a no. of topics such as the caste system, the Harappan civilisation, the science behind genetics have been discussed wonderfully well and the book is very readable compared to other pre-history books that I have read earlier. And I await the next book from the other camp that has stalwarts like Amish Tripathi and Sanjeev Sanyal that repudiates the arguments of this book :) ...more

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Mar 23, 2019 Mr. ALC rated it did not like it

Tony Joseph’s new book “Early Indians: The Story of Our Ancestors and Where We Came From” attempts to sell the colonial Aryan Invasion Theory's insidious 21st-century version - the Aryan Migration Myth - on the basis of racist, Hinduphobic Harvard geneticist David Reich’s thoroughly discredited research.

The legendary Russian archaeologist Leo Klejn has thoroughly debunked Reich’s pro-AIT research.

The New York Times has exposed Reich’s dubious, deeply flawed research methodology, alleged unethica ...more

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Mar 23, 2019 Vivek Bhageria rated it did not like it

Seriously guys?? Giving this book 4-5 stars? Tony uses discredited claims as the base of this book. He tries to re-establish the Aryan Invasion Theory which has been a proven false theory. The Aryan Invasion Theory was a myth created to break the bond that Indians had with their land. That theory helped Britishers tighten their hold on India. What is the Author trying to do?

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Aug 18, 2019 Saty rated it did not like it

A few things: 1) the book appeared 5-6 months before the 2019 Indian elections. 2) The author is neither an academic, nor a researcher. He is a lifelong journalist and TV reporter. 3) Look at who has praised and reviewed the book. People who were all opposed to the current government. 4) If you google the author, he led a company that produced paid content for white papers, blogs and case studies. Feel free to draw your own conclusions on the veracity of his claims and those of his sources. For ...more

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Feb 14, 2019 Suman rated it really liked it

Shelves: history, indian-history

There is an image of the famous dancing girl of Harappa on the cover of this book as a nod perhaps to common knowledge that "Early Indians" for most of us refers to the Harappan Civilization. Then, we are told, came the Aryans who somehow settled peacefully (or not) with the Harappans.

Think of it - have you ever asked yourself where did the Harappans come from?

The author tries to answer this rather grand question in 230 pages. Starting almost 300,000 years ago with the evolution of man - this There is an image of the famous dancing girl of Harappa on the cover of this book as a nod perhaps to common knowledge that "Early Indians" for most of us refers to the Harappan Civilization. Then, we are told, came the Aryans who somehow settled peacefully (or not) with the Harappans.

Think of it - have you ever asked yourself where did the Harappans come from?

The author tries to answer this rather grand question in 230 pages. Starting almost 300,000 years ago with the evolution of man - this breathless book attempts to combine everything that is happening in the world of ancient DNA, archaeology and linguistics to answer the question - who were the Early Indians and where or how the hell did they get here? That the book is up-to-date is an understatement. There are references to papers from 2018 (conjuring in me the image of Tony Joseph running to the press with yet another update as the exasperated printer looks annoyed.) But happily for us readers, every scrap of development included seems important. We are just not used to history working this way and this is exciting: the field of Ancient DNA is answering important questions about history at a pace that makes historians look like astronauts. It tells us that the first humans out of Africa came to India some 65,000 years ago (This, of course makes Harappans look positively modern.) and then goes on to tell the story of Early Indians in a rather comprehensive manner for such a slim book. Constantly digressing to provide primers on subjects such as mitochondrial DNA and Linguistic archaeology this ambitious book, though not exactly a romping read, nevertheless constructs an edifice that adds to the history of sub-continent. I suspect this is not the end of the line for such books - and we will see many more that will tackle the same subject, but this is the first I've read. My only criticism of the book is just that - it isn't a romping enough read. I wish Tony Joseph had brought to the writing of this book the same ability to tell a story he so brilliantly possesses in book discussions. That gap, for a book that could be classified as popular history, might alas reduce its audience. Besides this one observation I totally recommend this book to anyone who reads Indian history. ...more

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May 05, 2019 Ajay rated it did not like it

After Rakhigarhi study, this book is very outdated now. In his book. he claimed there is decisive proof that Vedic Aryas were foreigners who entered India from Central Asia around 1500 BC and brought Vedic Sanskrit and Vedic religion with them. In twitter after Rakhigarhi study He says "Harappan genome lacks ancestry from Iranian farmers". But in his book published a few months ago, Tony completely contradicts himself and claims Harappan Genome is a "mixture of Iranian farmers and First Indians" ...more

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May 11, 2019 Swaraj Yadav rated it it was amazing

Highly engaging and enlightening book. A must read in this age of psuedo hindu nationalism. A real eye opener was the evidence of caste system being a later construct on post maghadh India..more of a social engineering experiment whose effects we continue to see to this day.

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Feb 23, 2019 Shruthi rated it it was amazing

In schools we are taught Indian history as starting from Harappan and Indus valley civilization. This book gives us detailed view on India's pre history. What was India like around 65000 years ago.

Great book that gives evidence on Who we Indians are.
Spoiler - We are all migrants

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Feb 03, 2019 Arup Guha rated it really liked it

Have been reading up on archaeological and linguistic analysis of Early Indians for some time now. But like the author, found the publications on genetic evidence nearly impenetrable. Its interesting to note that the author went through the same cycle but didn't give up. Therefore the book forms a valuable bridge between people interested in their ancient past and technical material. The writing is very lucid and the author makes it a point to clarify all thorny doubts. Finished this book in one ...more

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Feb 16, 2019 Balachander rated it really liked it

Well researched account of our ancestors - the early indians, the harappans and the Aryans. Read to find out how with the help of dna analysis and other state of the art techniques we're more certain than ever of who the original inhabitants, of this landmass we now call as India, were. And in the process learn a little about the origins of the caste system, the differences in dietary practices in the North and the South; interesting insights into the first planned settlement (present local and ...more

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Feb 27, 2019 Gayathiri Rajendran rated it really liked it

This was a very fascinating read.This book combines linguistics,archaeology and DNA evidence to give an account of the story of the Indian population right from the evolution of man.It also answers the important questions like where did the Harappans come from.After reading this book,I am tempted to visit the sites of the ancient Harappan civilization.A very interesting take on an interesting subject.It was unputdownable.

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Sep 14, 2019 Sandeep rated it it was amazing

If you are serious about understanding the origins of who really were the people who populated India, their origins and their story this is an excellent book to read.
A mix of sound science and journalism- this book debunks many ideological narratives of various political parties across the country as fairy tales.
It is an important book and deserves to be read but if you are looking for something simple and light this is not the book for you.

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Sep 09, 2019 Midhun Jose rated it it was amazing

Shelves: history, evolution, anthropology

Extensively researched, strongly argued and beautifully written

A must read book for all Indians. Whether you agree or disagree with the Aryan migration hypothesis, this book definitely compel you to ask some valid questions and check your perceptions

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Dec 27, 2018 Samuel Premkumar rated it really liked it

A nice and easy to read book on the population history of India. Tony Joseph traces the human migration in to India from 65000 years ago to the later waves of migration, based on the new data available from the science of ancient DNA analysis. While linguistic and archeology studies had some gaps in the migration theory, the ancient DNA study fills in the gap. The book should be read along with David Reich's. "Who we are and how we got here" as it has the complete scientific data and proofs.
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Apr 16, 2019 Avaneesh rated it it was amazing

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If this book doesn't settle the debate of who those pesky "Aryans" were, and whether it really matters that they "invaded" what we now call India, I don't know what will.

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May 19, 2019 Rakesh Eettisseri rated it it was amazing

Shelves: history, politics, india, non-fiction

oh.. Its an awesome book. Its all about the genetic evidences and how it can light the torch for the quest of our own story. quite enjoyable.

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Apr 27, 2019 Jawahar Surti rated it really liked it

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By "Indians" please do not interpret it as in country "India" but as the Indian sub-continent - that should include our neighbors too. It's a very well analyzed book on our ancestry - where did we come from? How we got here? How did our language evolve? Is Sanskrit from what we know as India? So many questions answered to the best based on present day knowledge obtained from archaeological and genetic information. There were a lot of points I was not aware of or had the facts wrong. River Sarasw ...more

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Feb 27, 2019 Suman Srivastava rated it really liked it

Great book which combines evidence from genealogy, archaeology and linguistics to provide a compelling story of where we Indians have come from. With interesting insights like why Punjabis drink more milk than South Indians.

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Jul 14, 2019 Chandar rated it it was amazing

Outstanding book! Lucid, simple and well researched. Joseph presents the data in a very interesting way, well supported by illustrations and maps. Importantly, he doesn't take sides - where the evidence is not robust enough, or if there are equally plausible alternate theories, he states/acknowledges them. Really enjoyable read!

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Feb 21, 2019 Mohit Pawnday rated it it was amazing

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The author has a viewpoint on our Indian origins and brilliantly uses genetic DNA studies to supplement the various narratives .With studies as late as mid 2018 accessed and quoted a compelling and must read in times when identity politics is becoming so important . Supplementing Archaeology DNA Studies with Linguistics and some Climate studies also thrown in a very heady mixture used to justify conclusions of how and why Indians are not so diverse still diverse

A book to be revisted many times f ...more

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Jul 04, 2019 Mradul rated it it was amazing

I feel thankful to have read this book. The hole in our collective understanding of who we are pre-historically, the period for which we don't have written records, and where do we come from is addressed with the most recent DNA evidence considered on top of the earlier archeological, linguistic and other ones. It’s about time we start clearing up the haze around who we are, especially given the ideological churn we are going through as a society politically.

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Apr 12, 2019 Jivan rated it liked it

It's a good book. However it is quite dense which makes completing it a daunting task. The book has alot of geographical references and it only has 5 chapters (each chapter takes some time to read). This book is not for a starter and requires readers of a higher caliber.

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Feb 04, 2019 Naveen rated it it was amazing

A narrative of how we Indians came about, buttressed with evidence from fields of Archaeology, Population genetics, and Comparative linguistics. Must read for every Indian as the definition of an Indian(or a Hindu) is becoming more rigid because of the propagandas flying around.

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Apr 29, 2019 Appu rated it really liked it

The conventional history of India holds that there developed in the Indus Valley, an urban civilization around 2500BCE and that around 1500BCE, this civilization was replaced by a central Asian pastoral civilization, the Aryan civilization. While the Aryans moved steadily eastward, the Indus valley people moved to central india and peninsular India. The Aryans brought Sanskrit and vedas into India. Hindu religion and the institution of caste took shape as a result of the intermingling of the Ary The conventional history of India holds that there developed in the Indus Valley, an urban civilization around 2500BCE and that around 1500BCE, this civilization was replaced by a central Asian pastoral civilization, the Aryan civilization. While the Aryans moved steadily eastward, the Indus valley people moved to central india and peninsular India. The Aryans brought Sanskrit and vedas into India. Hindu religion and the institution of caste took shape as a result of the intermingling of the Aryan and Indus valley peoples.
This view of history has come under a lot of attack from the Hindu rightwing in recent years. As per the Hindutva version of Indian history, there is no disconnect between the Indus valley and Aryan peoples. The civilization of Nortwest India was an indigenous civilization; and the sanskritic civilization moved out of india to central Asia and Europe and not the otherway round. Backed by the power and resources of the state, this revisionist view is being steadily pushed.
The politics behind this battle over history needs to be understood. The Hindu right sees the Sanskritic culture of India to be the authentic Indian culture. It sees other cultures and religions to be second rate and less Indian. So it is not comfortable with a view of history which suggests that the sanskritic culture was itself a late entrant to India and that its roots lie not in India but in the Central Asian steppes.
Many of the recent debates about early Indian history have been over genetic evidence for population movements. In this book, Tony Joseph has summarized the latest researches in the field of early Indian history, including population genetics studies. The recent studies vindicate the conventional theories of Indian history and expose the “out of India” theory propounded by the Hindutva historians to be false.
This book argues that Indian population of today is the result of mainly three migrations into the indian Subcontinent. (1) Around 70,000 years ago Homo Sapeins who had emerged in Africa started their journey. They and reached India some 65,000 years ago. The Homo Sapiens encountered archaic humans or humans belonging to other subspecies. However Homo sapiens prevailed. The out of Africa migrants spread throughout the subcontinent and form the basis for all the Indian populations. (2) Around 7500 years ago an Iranian people from the Zagros Valley moved to northwest India. They got mixed up with the OoA migrants already India. Iranians introduced agriculture and brick building to India. The first floweing of their influence is seen today in the Mehrgarh remains. By around 2500BCE , this culture had enough agricultural surplus to create the most extensive urban civilization of the ancient world, namely the Harappan Civilization. The language of the Harappan people was proto Dravidian and related to the Elamite language group of Iran. (3) Around 1500 BCE, the Harappan civilization weakened by changes in weather patterns and desertifcation was overwhelmed by tribes from central asian steppes, the Aryans. They replaced the urban civilization of the Harappans with a pastoral civilization. They also intoduced spoked wheels, horses and iron. Out of the Aryan Harappan intemixture, a new civilization arose in India.
According to the author, the Indian population of today is a mixture of Out of Africa migrants, the Harappan and the Aryans. While the proportions of the racial intermixture varies, there is no such thing as a pure Aryan or a pure Dravidian. Given the fact that Indian civilization is made up of peoples who have migrated into the subcontinent from time to time, all talk about an authentic Indian civilization as opposed to the culture of the migrants, does not make sense. This book also shows that history of early India written from archaelogical, literary and linguistic evidence remain remarkably accurate even after some hundred years. ...more

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Mar 17, 2019 Chris Jaffe rated it really liked it

Shelves: history, asian-history

This is a generally interesting book that looks at early Indians and where they came from based on linguistic and DNA evidence (leaning more heavily on DNA). Author Tony Joseph (who is himself Indian, don't let the Anglo name fool you) isn't an expert on these fields, but a business reporter. While he's not doing the original research, he's read up on it, and is trying to popularize it for the masses.

When looking at early Indians, Joseph frequently makes an analogy to a pizza. The first Indians This is a generally interesting book that looks at early Indians and where they came from based on linguistic and DNA evidence (leaning more heavily on DNA). Author Tony Joseph (who is himself Indian, don't let the Anglo name fool you) isn't an expert on these fields, but a business reporter. While he's not doing the original research, he's read up on it, and is trying to popularize it for the masses.

When looking at early Indians, Joseph frequently makes an analogy to a pizza. The first Indians who came from Africa 65,000ish years ago he says form the foundation crust. All groups in India have some of this first group in their DNA.

The next notable group where people who brought animal herding and farming. Joseph says they are the sauce. They came from Iran and intermarried with the natives. They started in the north and are likely the people of the Harappan Civilization from 2600 BC to 1900 BC. When that faded, they went east and south, and modern Dravadian languages probably come from them. (Joseph notes evidence that Dravadian languages are related to the dead ancient language of the Elamites, who lived in Iran about 4,000 years ago).

Then came the last major group to leave its mark on Indian DNA: the Aryans. They are the cheese of the DNA pizza. They came from the central Asian steppe lands. A people called the Yamnaya were there 3,800 years ago and they were early adopters or the wheel (it's not clear if they invented it, but they were certainly early users of it) and combined that with horses and wagons to move into Europe around 3000 BC and into India a thousand years later.

In both Europe and India we see a similar pattern: this group can be traced strongly through the Y-chromosone (which is the male line) but barely at all via mtDNA (which comes from the female line). These people clearly practices exogomy (marrying those outside your community). In Europe, the pre-Yamnaya male line essentially ceased to exist. Pastoral communities are often more warlike and dominate agricultural areas. They are more mobile, on horseback, and that can give them advantages in war.

In India, more of the native male line survived, in part because there were so many more people. In fact, Joseph says that India in way back ancient times may have been home to a majority of the world's population and was often the most highly populated place around. Their impact was stronger in the north --the places with Indo-European languages. The further south you go, the far less you see of them.

This is also why no group sense the Aryans have made such an impact on Indian DNA: there were just too damn many people already there for a new group to leave much of a mark. They have left some marks here and there, but not so widespread as previous groups had. Joseph says these groups are like the various other toppings you put on your pizza. There might be some sausage or pepperoni, but not an entire layer of it, like you see with the others.

Overall, it's a good book that makes its points clearly. It can get too lost in the details of DNA evidence, especially early on. ...more

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