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message 1: by Crystal (new)

Crystal I hope you like this one!


message 2: by Heather (new)

Heather Yes!


Spider the Doof Warrior i am a bit annoyed with OSC. I say, don't read the Bean books unless you like being lectured about marriage and babies.


message 4: by Tatiana (new)

Tatiana Honestly, I don't see myself reading any other books by him. I've heard too much bad stuff about him to become his fan.


message 5: by jesse (last edited Nov 03, 2010 01:33PM) (new)

jesse Why do you force yourself to read it, if you don't want to read it? (Assuming you're not actually required to read it for <school/work/whatever>)


message 6: by Tatiana (new)

Tatiana This book has been on my TBR forever and I actually did want to read it because almost everyone I know loved it and it got numerous awards. This is turning out to be not as good as I thought it would be.


message 7: by AH (new)

AH I also have it on my to-read list. I even bought the book, but I have the same reservations as Tatiana does about the book. In the meantime, way better books have been available to me, so I'm reading them.

I would like to see what all the fuss was about.


message 8: by Tatiana (last edited Nov 03, 2010 05:53PM) (new)

Tatiana This is certainly a "cult classic," many people love it, it's just not my cup of tea I guess.


message 9: by Angie (new)

Angie 2 stars huh? I liked it a lot, but not enough to go into the series. My husband read the whole series!


message 10: by AH (new)

AH Maybe it appeals to men more than women?


message 11: by Kirsten (new)

Kirsten I adored Enders Game when I read it years ago.


Spider the Doof Warrior Not really, I loved this book when I first read it. I read nearly the whole series. But I think subsequent re-reads of the original series and reading the Bean series ruined this book. Which is why I took away some stars. Also, just because folks are Japanese it doesn't mean they won't eat fried fish.
That's just one of the MILDER problems I have with OSC. Do not get me started on his whole possessing characters and nagging the reader about marriage and babies every five seconds and going on and on about heterosexual marriage every 3 words.


message 13: by Kat Kennedy (new)

Kat Kennedy I loved this book when I first read it as a 13 year old and I still enjoy it though not nearly as much. I fully sympathize with your review! Good job!

And the homoerotic bs? OSC is a homophobe apparently! Whoda thunk it?


message 14: by Tatiana (new)

Tatiana So, he is a boy lover who pretends to be a homophobe? Is that the idea? I am not familiar with OSC' reputation very much.


message 15: by Kat Kennedy (new)

Kat Kennedy Her very much is an outspoken homophobe, as well as being Mormon which is why people make fun of the soaped up boys in Ender's Game.

See?


message 16: by Tatiana (new)

Tatiana OK. Got it. I think.


message 17: by Mara (new)

Mara I abandoned this one early on, mainly because I'm not that interested in six-year-old sociopaths.


Spider the Doof Warrior You probably are better off avoiding OSC. Don't even get me started on his columns. My stomach lining would feel so much better if I had never read those rude screeds. The homophobic gay marriage will tear society apart and make it horrible articles were bad enough, but to be so rude about JK Rowling... GAH!I wish I had a lazar to remove his stories from my head. Especially Ender in Exile and that book where a dude who is gay marries a woman because somehow being gay means you are not in the web of life.


message 19: by AH (new)

AH *moves Ender's Game to bottom of the to-read list*

Hmmm... Interesting conversation. I guess I'm not in that much of a hurry to read this book. I'll get to it eventually.


message 20: by Tatiana (last edited Nov 05, 2010 06:44AM) (new)

Tatiana Huh? He is that outspoken about it? Now he is writing sci-fi for religious gay-haters exclusively?

And he actually said something bad JKR? That is unforgivable in my book!


message 21: by AH (new)

AH What did he say about JKR? That woman is responsible for a whole lot of kids reading. In my books, that is phenomenal.


Wicked Incognito Now I thought he defended JKR against all those Christian HP haters. I did read one of his articles once that defended the HP books as not being anti-Christian, or Christian at all. But I haven't read anything else of his (except Ender's Game--which I did like sort of).


Bark's Book Nonsense I'm with you, I listened to this on audio and found it excruciatingly dull.


Spider the Doof Warrior He got mad at JK Rowling for outing Dumbledore. Now, I was at the event when she did this. She was answering a girl's question about whether or not Dumbledore had ever found love. She said she thought of Dumbledore as gay. So then you get a bunch of angry screeds from OSC about how self serving she is while he's talking about that whole suing this dude who wanted to publish his website as a book thing.
First of all, he was being a jerk. Neil Gaiman managed to disagree without being rude about it. I can see why such a law suit would come about, but bringing up the Dumbledore thing had nothing to do with that at all. He was just wailing on her about being self serving for outing a character she knows everything about!
Dude annoys the crap out of me literally. ARG! There was no reason to hate on JK Rowling just because one of her characters is gay!
Also, gay people are NOT going to destroy civilization.
Also he is on the board of NOM. Dude's been annoying me for YEARS.

Though, he does have this scene in Lost Boys that makes me cry like the sentimental girly girl I am... It's stuff like that that keeps me from totally hating him.


Wicked Incognito Now Aw, yeah that does suck. I didn't realize he was such a homophobe. I definitely wouldn't have read his book had I known.


message 26: by Tatiana (new)

Tatiana I think this article of his pretty much says it all about him:

http://www.nauvoo.com/library/card-hy...


Wicked Incognito Now Oh yeesh: "One thing is certain: one cannot serve two masters. And when one's life is given over to one community that demands utter allegiance, it cannot be given to another. The LDS church is one such community. The homosexual community seems to be another. And when I read the statements of those who claim to be both LDS and homosexual, trying to persuade the former community to cease making their membership contingent upon abandoning the latter, I wonder if they realize that the price of such "tolerance" would be, in the long run, the destruction of the Church." Really? So one can't be anything other than LDS? Can one be a member of the writing community? Can one be part of the community of fatherhood? Of motherhood? Of womanhood? etc? No? Can you be a Girl Scout and LDS? Honestly. I don't get this justification for hating on gays. It seems at this point that the haters are just reaching. You can't be part of two communities. Lame!


Wicked Incognito Now Incidentally, that all I read. I didn't get any further, but that just speaks to the extent to which he lost my faith as a reader early on. I'm done. He's irrational.


message 29: by Tatiana (new)

Tatiana Such close-mindedness is very off-putting. I also couldn't stomach to read the entire thing, but this piece caught my eye.

Laws against homosexual behavior should remain on the books, not to be indiscriminately enforced against anyone who happens to be caught violating them, but to be used when necessary to send a clear message that those who flagrantly violate society's regulation of sexual behavior cannot be permitted to remain as acceptable, equal citizens within that society.

The goal of the polity is not to put homosexuals in jail. The goal is to discourage people from engaging in homosexual practices in the first place, and, when they nevertheless proceed in their homosexual behavior, to encourage them to do so discreetly, so as not to shake the confidence of the community in the polity's ability to provide rules for safe, stable, dependable marriage and family relationships.



message 30: by Kogiopsis (last edited Nov 05, 2010 07:21PM) (new)

Kogiopsis I have to comment something about the book real quick- though I should add that yes, OSC is a vitriolic pest a lot of the time- but if I remember rightly, Ender's Game was expanded from the original novella because he wanted to write the sequel, Speaker For The Dead, without cramming in a lot of filler in the beginning. In my opinion, though I'm one of the 'cult', so to speak, Speaker is by far the better book, and if you were going to go farther with his writing that would be my reccomendation. That or one of his short story collections. There are some powerful works of sheer imagination there.

Apologies for all the commas.


message 31: by Chichipio (new)

Chichipio "The goal of the polity is not to put homosexuals in jail. The goal is to discourage people from engaging in homosexual practices in the first place, and, when they nevertheless proceed in their homosexual behavior, to encourage them to do so discreetly, so as not to shake the confidence of the community in the polity's ability to provide rules for safe, stable, dependable marriage and family relationships."

I think this sums up the guy's personality perfectly. Appearances are everything for him. He's so in the closet. That's what he's saying: Don't do it or, if you do it, hide it so well that nobody knows about it.

Newsflash, Mr. Hater, nobody doing their own thing and being happy about it spends so much time thinking (more like bitching and whining) about what others do, they're too busy enjoying themselves. Only those who wish they could be doing something and for whatever reason--external or self-imposed--can't, engage in this behavior.

I was itching for some sci-fi to balance all the UF and this book seemed to be a favorite, so I added it. Maybe someday I'll get around to read it, but certainly not anytime soon. I just couldn't separate my opinion of the author from the content of the book and I'll probably end up jumping at shadows.

Sometimes I just hate knowing so much about a writer. Life was so easy in 1995 when you just could pick up any book and the writer's name was just a couple of printed words on a page without any substance behind them.


Wicked Incognito Now That's true. But then you had to rely on the bookcover or word of mouth to get new recs. The internet has opened me up to so many books I never would've read without the blog world and sites like GR.


message 33: by Chichipio (new)

Chichipio April wrote: "That's true. But then you had to rely on the bookcover or word of mouth to get new recs. The internet has opened me up to so many books I never would've read without the blog world and sites like..."

yeah, I know, I was exaggerating. The pros completely outweigh the cons in this case. This is just a little downside of the issue. It's just hard having to face that some writers that back then were these unknowable beings are just your garden variety creep with a side order of bigotry for good measure. But yes, it's a small price to pay for all the other awesome writers that can be discovered with just a couple of clicks.


message 34: by Tatiana (new)

Tatiana It's hard for me to separate the author's books and his/her personal views. I can sometimes overlook someone's craziness, but only even if I really love the writing. I didn't love Ender's Game and now, after knowing so much about Card, I do not want to give him another chance.


Spider the Doof Warrior Yeah, you're better off, believe me. I wish I had avoided reading a lot of those books as they gave me terrible stomach aches.
Don't even get me started on his sexism. URG. I think this is why I should read more Neil Gaiman and JK Rowling and stuff I enjoy.


message 36: by Tatiana (new)

Tatiana You should check out Ursula K. Le Guin's books if you haven't already.


message 37: by Scribble (last edited Nov 07, 2010 09:17AM) (new)

Scribble Orca Tatiana wrote: "And he actually said something bad about JKR? That is unforgivable in my book!"

Thank you for wading through the misery and reading this book in order to save the rest of us. Your comment, however, is what condemns him, rightly or otherwise. Long live JKR. And JRRT.


message 38: by Cory (new)

Cory The first time I read this, I was ten. I was blown away. The next time I read it, I was 14. Meh. Now, I can't re-read it without rolling my eyes. I don't like OSC--he is a huge jerk--, but he is a decent writer.

Ender's Shadow is much better than this, as is Rachel and Leah: Women of Genesis. How I dislike Card, but he can write. I would just avoid anything written after Ender, like Speaker for the Dead, Genocide, Shadow of the Giant: they're all boring and revolve around Ender being god/christ/savior/buddha/etc.

His book, Magic Street, is pretty decent. I believe Card had help from Neal Shusterman when he was writing that, and when he was writing Ender's Shadow. But for the love of god, do not read any of the Ender sequels except for Ender's Shadow. You'll put yourself to sleep.

Although he's a jerk, I try to look past that. After all, JKR has said some things I don't agree with either.


message 39: by Tatiana (new)

Tatiana I have to say, Cory, I think I am done with Card. I might be able to overlook the fact that he is such a narrow-minded jerk, but his best work - Ender's Game - didn't impress me enough to even bother with his other books. I'd rather read something that I might like.


message 40: by Cory (new)

Cory Tatiana wrote: "I have to say, Cory, I think I am done with Card. I might be able to overlook the fact that he is such a narrow-minded jerk, but his best work - Ender's Game - didn't impress me enoug..."

I understand, although I don't think Ender's Game is his best. I'd say 3rd best. But I definitely think that there are better authors out there.


Spider the Doof Warrior I'm annoyed with him for ruining the Ender series in the first place. He ret-conned it, added all of that stupid morality nagging that I hate so much. He fills his books with rants about monogamy and marriage and babies the way LKH fills her books with endless sex scenes.
Plus he's not very nice when it comes to gay people.
Which bothers me.


message 42: by Cory (new)

Cory Synesthesia wrote: "I'm annoyed with him for ruining the Ender series in the first place. He ret-conned it, added all of that stupid morality nagging that I hate so much. He fills his books with rants about monogamy a..."

I would feel ashamed reading the Anita Blake series in front of my mother.


Spider the Doof Warrior I do not read them in front of her as she doesn't live with me.
She would be scandalized by my tattoos and the Satanicness that is Harry Potter.

But, yeah, the later AB books are very, very, very smutty.


message 44: by Ruth (new)

Ruth Wah you didn't put it as a review marked with spoilers and I'm currently in the process of reading this book and now I just found out something I wasn't supposed to :(


message 45: by Tatiana (new)

Tatiana I don't believe there are any spoilers in my review.


message 46: by Kat Kennedy (new)

Kat Kennedy There are absolutely no spoilers in this review.


SubterraneanCatalyst There aren't any spoilers in this review :)
I have this as a favorite book of mine and it will stay that way...but I first read this when I was 10 and I either loved a book or hated it. At that age I was already a seasoned sci fi reader but I wasn't a very critical one. Enders game just appealed to the sci fi kid in me and in fact Ender being ultra genius perfect made him a hero and amazing in my little kid mind. But, I can accept, that if I read this book today, it might make me reconsider completely my childhood love lol.
As an adult, OSC's views are just too toxic for me to support him in any way. I am giving my son my own paperback copy to read and I will never purchase anything by OSC.
@ Wicked Incognito..the LDS diatribe and "two masters" thing cracks me up. Guess Romney can't be a president then. LOL.


message 48: by Ruth (new)

Ruth How did I miss the the part in the book where it's revealed that Ender is genetically engineered? That explains a lot. There's no way some six year old could be that... extraordinary.


message 49: by Tatiana (new)

Tatiana Ruth wrote: "How did I miss the the part in the book where it's revealed that Ender is genetically engineered? That explains a lot. There's no way some six year old could be that... extraordinary."

Wasn't it mentioned at the very beginning?


message 50: by Kat Kennedy (new)

Kat Kennedy He's not genetically engineered - just selected from promising breeding stock.


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