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message 1: by Erica (new)

Erica Oh, Kenny. You have to read these things *before* you know they are Christian Allegories. It helps, for example, to be a Tiny Child, delighted with talking animals, and thrilled with the idea of Portals To Another World. Also, I really really liked the bit where Father Christmas shows up and has special presents for everybody, but that's of a piece with being fascinated with world-building, things with moving pieces, and tailored-gift-giving (especially if the gifts are magical.)

Prince Caspian has an awesome bit where they're raising an army and recruiting trees and there's a party and all the trees are eating *dirt*...but the descriptions make it sound like *really awesome delicious dirt*.

Other Things Of Note: The first book, The Magician's Nephew, is about the creation of Narnia as a world, and bits of it are very similar to the opening of Silmarillion (with biblical echoes in both, obviously).

Susan ends up getting sort-of banned from Narnia because she "grows up" too much (ie, has forgotten Narnia and is more interested in Make Up and Boys than in the imaginary world she saw as a kid). There's really great essay someone wrote on how this is super unfair called "The Problem of Susan."

I hated The Last Battle. I still hadn't worked out that it was an Allegory at the time, but I hated it anyway because it was THAT OBNOXIOUS.


message 2: by Kenny (new)

Kenny why did you read more than one of these books(I barely finished 2)/how dare you compare the Silmarillion and Narnia?


message 3: by Erica (new)

Erica IT'S JUST THAT THEY BOTH STARTED THEIR WORLDS WITH SINGING. No comparison, otherwise. Also, I think it's interesting because they were...huh, just looked this up. I guess they were friends, but Tolkien didn't care for Narnia. Anyway, mutual influence, and I kind of wonder if the Music Creates The World thing was a broader theological metaphor or if it was something they'd talked about or what. (I'm sure there are books out there on this.)


message 4: by Nathaniel (new)

Nathaniel Kenny I am so very disappointed in the manner of how you interpret this imaginative story. You would say, imagination in this story is pointless. You are wrong. It is the very imagination of this story that makes it what it to so many, inspirational. The world in which we live has set the idea that imagination is pointless. Our society is very harsh and difficult. In some cases there is nothing left for people hope for in the literal world, so they turn to dreams and imagination. So, when you say that "the conclusion is foregone," it is obvious were only reading words, and not ideas. You saw this book as black and white lettering on pages, which is why you have failed to agree with thousands of believers in dreams, that this book is a story for the multitudes to give people the world which they could not otherwise have. Others should read this book for themselves and then decide whether or not to agree with you and read the words, or imagine and believe the ideas.
-Nathaniel


message 5: by Guy (last edited May 24, 2015 08:40AM) (new)

Guy Thank you, thank you, thank you! I laughed at the absolute correctness of your description, Kenny. And I laughed because it is nice to see that I am not the only person on the planet who thought this to be basically a horribly written thinly disguised propaganda. Even as a child, when I tried reading it 4 or 5 times because of the appearance of imagination in it, I didn't like that it felt contrived. Now, an adult, I would say this was a thinly disguised deus ex machina.


message 6: by Sarah (new)

Sarah Why would you think that this was a bad book? I thought it was fantastic!!


message 7: by Guy (new)

Guy Ah, Sarah, why indeed? For individuals to be unique and, well, individual, means a diversity of likes. And why diversity at all? Well, that's a lot tougher to answer, but it seems that diversity is a pre-condition of being born into the natural world.


message 8: by Sarah (new)

Sarah Speak English


message 9: by Sarah (new)

Sarah Please


message 10: by Guy (last edited Jan 19, 2013 09:01PM) (new)

Guy From your library I'm guessing you are young, Sarah. It has taken me 50 years to learn English, and I'm still learning. So, with as much gentleness as I can muster in the hard cold format that written words confer, continue to learn English. It is perhaps the most difficult of all languages to learn, but is also in many ways the most dance-able. You have the opportunity to learn to make it soar with the bravest of eagles, or lay dormant as the most active of sloths. LoL. I love the English language, how it can be made to be anything. Which is maybe why I didn't like the Narnia books: they made English drivel.


message 11: by Sarah (new)

Sarah Sorry I didn't know


message 12: by Guy (new)

Guy No problem. English is a lifelong adventure.


message 13: by Sarah (new)

Sarah I know


message 14: by Sarah (new)

Sarah It took me a while to learn it to I was 4 years when I finally learned who to speak correctly


message 15: by Sarah (new)

Sarah I mean TOO


message 16: by Jamie (new)

Jamie Whitehurst I think it's important to remember that these books were written with children in mind....what appeals to their young minds may not exactly appeal to that of someone more mature. I don't think it means we should judge the whole series as crap. My nieces and nephews are very young and these books are exactly what appeals to their little imaginations...anything that can encourage little kids to enjoy reading I'm all for.


message 17: by Drew (new)

Drew Graham False. Everyone's entitled to an opinion, but yours is wrong. Sorry!


message 18: by Rudi (new)

Rudi Bracaglia So we have Guy who is literally so sanctimonious that he has dubbed himself the Master of All That is English and of Everything In Between and then we have the rest of the half wits trashing Narnia, a children's series, because of its Christian overtones. To which I give a hearty and with aplomb "piss off".


message 19: by Rudi (new)

Rudi Bracaglia If you don't like something written by someone who Tolkien considered a friend and colleague and you can't appreciate the good such stories teach children then really why do you bother at all?


message 20: by Romanempire (new)

Romanempire Drew, you are an idiot. Sorry but that is true.


message 21: by Drew (new)

Drew Graham HA HA, nice one. And actually completely untrue. Thanks for contributing absolutely nothing to the conversation!


message 22: by Romanempire (new)

Romanempire And thank you for wasting my time. I just feel bad for the people in your life.. Good day!


message 23: by Drew (new)

Drew Graham You're welcome, and there's really no need.

Thanks again for your contribution of nothing! But at least you managed to use some punctuation this time, nice to know you're actually capable of that.


message 24: by Sonia (new)

Sonia This is a book that was written for children, and here we have adults analyzing it as if the story was meant for them to criticize. This is a fairy tale, with dwarfs and witches and animals that can speak. You can either be enchanted if you let go of your practical mindset, or disenchanted if you approach it as a jaded adult that can only grasp reality and adult situations. Obviously, C.S. Lewis is not your thing, and I am not going to debate that, but I strongly disagree with you when you say that his writing is mediocre at best. That's not even a matter of opinion in that case, is writing is far from mediocre, I am dumbfounded by that comment of yours!


message 25: by Andrew (new)

Andrew Obrigewitsch This is a kids story, I'm sure you don't feel the same magic from it as an adult.


message 26: by Zachariah (new)

Zachariah This is a children's story, so obviously you wouldn't enjoy it as much


Maddie the bookworm .....How is the writing mediocre? The plot was so layered too me.


message 28: by Hannah (new)

Hannah "...the conclusion was foregone."

The best books don't need a conclusion. The best readers don't need one, either.


message 29: by Katelyn (new)

Katelyn I love Narnia! And the characters aren't static. I find them all relatable. You have Lucy (who I admit is the most "perfect") who is always being told she's wrong just because she's percieved as too young to know anything. You have Edmund, who always feels overshadowed. It sucks to always feel second best, I can relate on that point. Then there's Susan who is too logical. She struggles to have faith because her head always argues. I think we can ALL relate to that. And then there's Peter, who is trying to protect his family but feels like he's doing a bad job. As the oldest I totally relate. Also the overthetop christian allegory, the whole point of the series is to compare Narnia and Aslan to earth and Jesus. It's very clever actually making a story we can understand and enjoy while learning something new of our religion. Anyway you're entitled to your opinion but I don't agree with you at all.


message 30: by Amy (new)

Amy GET A LIFE


message 31: by Bethany (new)

Bethany It must have been over your head.


message 32: by Mandy (new)

Mandy I really think these books all depend on your perspective. If you are reading it as an adult who is not a Christian you will not enjoy it neatly as much as a Christian or child would.


message 33: by Bethany (new)

Bethany I couldn't agree more, esp. enjoying it more as a Christian.


message 34: by Grace (new)

Grace I agree with you and disagree. Everyone is saying that you can’t criticize this book because your saying it from an adults perspective. I am a kid and I found this book didn’t have a main purpose or real solution. The ending was very random and out of the blue. This book really does depend on perspective though.


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